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  • #16
    Originally posted by Wade8813 View Post
    More power?!!? Are you looking at the right lineup? I have more power than you do. Not to mention my better on-base.

    1st base - McCovey VS Killebrew. Both great sluggers.
    2nd base - Grich VS Robinson. Both not sluggers, Robinson has a slight edge.
    SS - Banks VS Larkin. Larkin had some pop, but he's nowhere close to Banks.
    3B - Chipper VS Schmidt. Both great sluggers.
    C - Posada VS Campanella. Both good sluggers, but Campanella was clearly better.
    RF - F Robinson VS Reggie Jackson. Both great sluggers.
    LF - Mantle VS Raines. Not even CLOSE. Mantle by a landslide
    CF - Edmonds VS Puckett. Both solid power hitters, but Edmonds has a clear edge.
    DH - Stargell VS Manny. Manny might have the edge by the numbers, but you have to deduct for steroids.

    And your pitching isn't as good as mine. Your guys can last longer, but my guys provide more quality per inning. And since my guys can easily last more than long enough, your extra endurance is extraneous.
    Uh, you forgot one of my regulars- Duke Snider. And, you forgot one of my platoon players- Jim Thome. I think those guys clearly tip the power balance. And, as good a hitter as Chipper is, he's no Mike Schmidt in the power department. Power advantage- clearly mine.

    In terms of pitching, we can debate all day. IF your guys had had to pitch as many innings as my guys, their WHIPS and other rate stats would have been lower. If my guys pitch fewer innings, their rates will be higher since they don't have to pace themselves as much. Two good teaqms, but I like my chances.
    Last edited by BigRon; 07-11-2010, 12:18 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BigRon View Post
      Uh, you forgot one of my regulars- Duke Snider. And, you forgot one of my platoon players- Jim Thome. I think those guys clearly tip the power balance. And, as good a hitter as Chipper is, he's no Mike Schmidt in the power department. Power advantage- clearly mine.
      You're right, I forgot about your platoons.

      Thome plays 1B, but you already have Killebrew there, so that doesn't matter much. Schmidt was a bit better than Chipper, but not by a huge amount. Snider does have a lot more pop than Puckett, and a bit more than Edmonds, but again, not a huge amount. But Banks CRUSHES Larkin. And Mantle crushes Raines by even more than Banks crushes Larkin. Those two matchups are completely lopsided in the power department. You don't have any positions where it's lopsided in your favor.

      Of course, sticking Snider as your primary CFer also really hurts your fielding.

      In terms of pitching, we can debate all day. IF your guys had had to pitch as many innings as my guys, their WHIPS and other rate stats would have been lower. If my guys pitch fewer innings, their rates will be higher since they don't have to pace themselves as much. Two good teaqms, but I like my chances.
      I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that. The more hits and walks you give up (especially walks), the more batters you have to face to get out of an inning. Halladay is known as a workhorse, and he is to some extent, but while his IP are higher, his pitch counts are only a bit higher than other guys - he just works more efficiently.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Wade8813 View Post
        We seemed to not have any trouble figuring out how career stats would translate to real head to head play in the Alphabet draft.
        If you say sso

        <There are a lot of ways - look at the players' 162 game average (with penalties applied for short careers), pretend all of the players were rookies the same year and compare how they'd do each year, etc.>

        Exactly, a LOT of ways, and how much penality. Not sure I understand your 2nd scenario
        Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
        Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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        • #19
          Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
          If you say sso

          Exactly, a LOT of ways, and how much penality. Not sure I understand your 2nd scenario
          Obviously there will be some subjectivity to it - that's why we vote, instead of just declaring me the winner

          My second method would be to pretend that everyone on your team was a rookie this year. They each produce their real rookie season's production, and compare how the teams do with that production. Then for the next year, look at everyone's sophomore year value, etc.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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          • #20
            Only BigRon has his vote posted. Can Wade and RuthMayBond please do the same amongst the intense bickering? (Easy, only a joke). I doubt Splinter nor Brad will be participated any longer. Unfortunately, it looks like it's the four of us. I'll still be third party, but you guys can still vote.
            "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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            • #21
              I voted in the post before BR did (although if you WANT me to vote twice...)

              Maybe we should post this in Between Innings for a couple days, to get more opinions?
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Wade8813 View Post
                Obviously there will be some subjectivity to it - that's why we vote, instead of just declaring me the winner

                My second method would be to pretend that everyone on your team was a rookie this year. They each produce their real rookie season's production, and compare how the teams do with that production. Then for the next year, look at everyone's sophomore year value, etc.
                That's not complicated at all.
                Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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                • #23
                  Key Obezags and N.A. Grahams are in regardless of RMB, but the Bums/Knights teeters on his very whim.
                  "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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                  • #24
                    I believe the N. A. Grahams could beat the Bees
                    I actually had the Alphas over the Key O's, but what do I know, and fortunately it doesn't matter.
                    I'll give the edge to the Gotham Knights.
                    Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                    Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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                    • #25
                      Ok, it's all set. The Grahams, Obezags, and Knights are all in. Now we decide the wild card.

                      Out of the teams left, who is worthy enough to make it to the semifinals?
                      Is it BigRon's Post-WWII Bums?
                      Is it Tyrus4189Cobb's Alphas?
                      Is it Brad's Bees?

                      Only YOU can decide.
                      "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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                      • #26
                        Well, since BigRon's Post-WW2 Bums are better than the Gotham Knights, who are already in, I think it should be clear.

                        Hahaha- just a little joking among friends, though I truly do believe my guys are better than the Knights- so, my vote for Wild Card is the Post-WW2 Bums.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Wade8813 View Post
                          You're right, I forgot about your platoons.

                          You don't have any positions where it's lopsided in your favor.

                          Of course, sticking Snider as your primary CFer also really hurts your fielding.

                          .
                          Campanella probably is the best HR hitting catcher in ML history, on a rate basis- WAY ahead of Posada.

                          In terms of fielding, it's clear that you never saw Snider play. He was an elite CFer until his knee injury in the mid-50s, significantly better than Mantle, and at least as good as Puckett- actually better since he had an exceptional arm.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Tyrus4189Cobb View Post
                            Ok, it's all set. The Grahams, Obezags, and Knights are all in. Now we decide the wild card.

                            Out of the teams left, who is worthy enough to make it to the semifinals?
                            Is it BigRon's Post-WWII Bums?
                            Is it Tyrus4189Cobb's Alphas?
                            Is it Brad's Bees?

                            Only YOU can decide.
                            I was going to say the Alphas but I looked it over and will go with the Bums
                            Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                            Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Tyrus4189Cobb View Post
                              Ok, it's all set. The Grahams, Obezags, and Knights are all in. Now we decide the wild card.

                              Out of the teams left, who is worthy enough to make it to the semifinals?
                              Is it BigRon's Post-WWII Bums?
                              Is it Tyrus4189Cobb's Alphas?
                              Is it Brad's Bees?

                              Only YOU can decide.
                              Technically, TSS and Brad might still vote - isn't today the last day? As much as I want to continue (since I won my matchup), I think we should give them a chance, just in case.
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Wade8813 View Post
                                Technically, TSS and Brad might still vote - isn't today the last day? As much as I want to continue (since I won my matchup), I think we should give them a chance, just in case.
                                I was wondering the same thing.

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