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World Series Champions: Official Draft Thread

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  • Originally posted by BigRon View Post
    To me Ryan is by far the most speculative pick of this draft so far, since he can only be used in relief. It really isn't my intent to critique or criticize anyone's pick, so I hope Sockeye doesn't take it that way. But since the topic came up I thought I'd comment. Personally, Ryan is one of the last guys I'd want in my bullpen. For most of his career he had terrible control. He threw tons of pitches and walked tons of batters. Most of the time a reliever needs to be sharp from pitch 1. He rarely has the luxury of "feeling" his way into the game, since he's often entering the game in a pressure situation. Perhaps others don't share my opinion about this.
    I, for one, do. Ryan might strike out the side in the 9th, but he's equally as likely to walk in the winning run if he enters with men on base.
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    • Originally posted by Brad Harris View Post
      Where do we stand on the clock right now?
      Well, let's see...I made my pick at 6:56 PM Central, and we went through the six-hour dead period, so if my calculations are correct, Windy City Fan has until 12:56 PM Central to make a selection.
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      • Originally posted by BigRon View Post
        To me Ryan is by far the most speculative pick of this draft so far, since he can only be used in relief. It really isn't my intent to critique or criticize anyone's pick, so I hope Sockeye doesn't take it that way. But since the topic came up I thought I'd comment. Personally, Ryan is one of the last guys I'd want in my bullpen. For most of his career he had terrible control. He threw tons of pitches and walked tons of batters. Most of the time a reliever needs to be sharp from pitch 1. He rarely has the luxury of "feeling" his way into the game, since he's often entering the game in a pressure situation. Perhaps others don't share my opinion about this.
        What about long relief? Would he be valuable in that situation, since he'd presumably have more time to feel his way into the game?
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        • Originally posted by ian2813 View Post
          What about long relief? Would he be valuable in that situation, since he'd presumably have more time to feel his way into the game?
          For me that's the place where he might have most value. On the other hand, guys usually come in in long relief for a reason, and the reason usually is that the starter got knocked out. So, your team is often already down by several. You don't want to give up any more. Who knows? My comments may be colored by the fact that I'm not a Ryan fan, and felt- and still do- the he is overrated, including by many BBFers.

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          • Looking at how Ryan performed in Highe leveraging situations as compared to low leverage over his career (one of the worst WPA "Clutch" scores of any pitcher), I would be hesitent to pick him too. But he would be really nice in a long-relief role if a pitcher got shelled early.
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            • Of course given who's in Sockeye's rotation, that's not likely to be too often, is it? LOL
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              "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
              "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
              "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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              • Originally posted by Brad Harris View Post
                Of course given who's in Sockeye's rotation, that's not likely to be too often, is it? LOL
                Right - which is why I was wondering about the reliver situation to begin with.

                But for the record - every pitcher gets shelled at least a few time per year...even the ones on Sockeye's staff.

                By the way...we are still playing, right?
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                • im still playing but its hard to get into it when nobody picks for 15 hours. But im deff into this still. thank god brad and ron are both online.
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                  • Chipper Jones, 3b - 1995 Braves
                    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                    • Boy, there are still some big hitters out there. I'm tempted. But, I want to start working on the middle of my infield. Gehringer's not available, and Robinson didn't play any 2B in the 55 Series, so....

                      Roberto Alomar, 2B- 1992 Toronto Blue Jays.

                      Now I've got a leadoff hitter and a strong defensive 2Ber, despite what BB-Ref says.

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                      • I remember a Sports Illustrated article in the late 1990s that named an All-Time Defensive Team. Ron must have read it since his team up-the-middle is comprised of those SI picks. Nicely done, sir.
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                        "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                        "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                        "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                        • Sorry I missed by pick, but I had to re-install my operating system yesterday. But I'm back up and running now. I'll Mickey Cochrane as my make up pick.
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                          • Originally posted by Windy City Fan View Post
                            Sorry I missed by pick, but I had to re-install my operating system yesterday. But I'm back up and running now. I'll Mickey Cochrane as my make up pick.
                            Good pick- Cochrane was a guy I was seriously considering for my previous pick.

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                            • Originally posted by BigRon View Post
                              Boy, there are still some big hitters out there. I'm tempted. But, I want to start working on the middle of my infield. Gehringer's not available, and Robinson didn't play any 2B in the 55 Series, so....

                              Roberto Alomar, 2B- 1992 Toronto Blue Jays.

                              Now I've got a leadoff hitter and a strong defensive 2Ber, despite what BB-Ref says.
                              Just for the record... BBR does not create that version WAR or Total Zone. They are both Sean Smith creations - BBR just displays them.
                              Thats all!
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                              • Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                                Just for the record... BBR does not create that version WAR or Total Zone. They are both Sean Smith creations - BBR just displays them.
                                Thats all!
                                I was aware that Sean Smith creates them. Isn't he connected to BBR? And if not, I wonder why they choose to use those "stats" so prominently. Don't want to hijack the thread, but if you know could you briefly update me? Thanks.

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