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    Okay. As mentioned in the voting thread, indecision has been the latest roadblock towards having another draft.

    So, being pro-movement, I take it on myself to start a new one up. If there are any objections, I'd surely like to hear why and will concede if realistic reasons are mentioned. PM me please if you have an issue on this.

    I'd like to start a WS Losers Draft using most of the draft rules we've had in the past along with some that have worked on more recent drafts - such as Ian's idea of having 154 games started.

    This is purely to see who has interest, and hope to go from there. I'm looking for at least 8 teams by Wednesday so we can start the draft prior to next weekend. I'd be willing to run it unless somebody else wants to take it - just say so and it's yours.

    Either way, if I'm not available for a dispute or such, I'll have an alternate email address sent to the heavy posters here so I can keep in close contact or at least feed information to keep things rolling.

    The draft is easy and it's fun. But please don't sign up if you're going to bail out with a few rounds left. I like to have new users join - just as I was allowed - but simply stay relatively active and you'll be invited to many more in the future.

    Well, this is a very basic guideline as to what I'd like to see - only because nothing else is going on. I prefer all comers - especially the vets on this board, but anybody new with the thrill of drafting with no monetary gain are highly welcomed as well.

    Plst here if you have 1) interest, 2) some alternate ideas to add to this, and 3) you have time on your hands and this is better than watching Jerry Springer.
    "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

  • #2
    Yeah I'm in. The World Series winners draft was a good one.
    "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

    "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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    • #3
      Here are the teams available. My eyes are a bit crossed from being at the game today, so correct me if I'm wrong anywhere...

      1903 Pittsburgh Pirates
      1905 Philadelpha A's
      1906 Chicago Cubs
      1907-1909 Detroit Tigers
      1910 Chicago Cubs
      1911-1913 NY Giants
      1914 Philadelphia A's
      1915 Philadelphia Phillies
      1916 Brooklyn Robins
      1917 NY Giants
      1918 Chicago Cubs
      1919 Chicago White Sox
      1920 Brooklyn Robins
      1921-1922 NY Yankees
      1923-1924 NY Giants
      1925 Washington Senators
      1926 NY Yankees
      1927 Pittsburgh Pirates
      1928 St Louis Cardinals
      1929 Chicago Cubs
      1930 St Louis Cardinals
      1931 Philadelphia A's
      1932 Chicago Cubs
      1933 Washington Senators
      1934 Detroit Tigers
      1935 Chicago Cubs
      1936-1937 NY Giants
      1938 Chicago Cubs
      1939 Cincinnati Reds
      1940 Detroit Tigers
      1941 Brooklyn Dodgers
      1942 NY Yankees
      1943 St Louis Cardinals
      1944 St Louis Browns
      1943 Chicago Cubs
      1944 St Louis Browns
      1945 Chicago Cubs
      1946 Boston Red Sox
      1947 Brooklyn Dodgers
      1948 Boston Braves
      1949 Brooklyn Dodgers
      1950 Philadelphia Phillies
      1951 NY Giants
      1952 1953 Brooklyn Dodgers
      1954 Cleveland Indians
      1955 NY Yankees
      1956 Brooklyn Dodgers
      1957 NY Yankees
      1958 Milwaukee Braves
      1959 Chicago White Sox
      1960 NY Yankees
      1961 Cincinnati Reds
      1962 SF Giants
      1963-1964 NY Yankees
      1965 Minnesota Twins
      1966 LA Dodgers
      1967 Boston Red Sox
      1968 St Louis Cardinals
      1969 Baltimore Orioles
      1970 Cincinnati Reds
      1971 Baltimore Orioles
      1972 Cincinnati Reds
      1973 NY Mets
      1974 LA Dodgers
      1975 Boston Red Sox
      1976 NY Yankees
      1977-1978 LA Dodgers
      1979 Baltimore O's
      1980 KC Royals
      1981 NY Yankees
      1982 Milwaukee Brewers
      1983 Philadelphia Phillies
      1984 San Diego Padres
      1985 St Louis Cardinals
      1986 Boston Red Sox
      1987 St Louis Cardinals
      1988 Oakland A's
      1989 San Fran Giants
      1990 Oakland A's
      1991-1992 Atlanta Braves
      1993 Philadelphia Phillies
      1995 Cleveland Indians
      1996 Atlanta Braves
      1997 Cleveland Indians
      1998 San Diego Padres
      1999 Atlanta Braves
      2000 NY Mets
      2001 NY Yankees
      2002 SF Giants
      2003 NY Yankees
      2004 St Louis Cardinals
      2005 Houston Astros
      2006 Detroit Tigers
      2007 Colorado Rockies
      2008 Tampa Rays
      2009 Philadelphia Phillies
      2010-2011 Texas Rangers
      Last edited by Ben Grimm; 09-22-2012, 04:59 PM. Reason: Thanks to Ian for finding holes.
      "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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      • #4
        Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
        Yeah I'm in. The World Series winners draft was a good one.
        Nice - glad to have you in. Now we just need 6-8 more or so.
        "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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        • #5
          I'm probably going to have to sit out the next draft, because as I mentioned before, things have gotten busier at my job, and it might be difficult for me to keep up with another one right now. However, I can be a spectator, and I can offer suggestions on how this draft would be run, so if you like my ideas, feel free to use them.

          In the original World Series Winners Draft, we based our players' positional eligibility on the positions they played in the World Series of the year they were drafted from. Do you like that rule, or is it too constrictive?

          We also had a rule that each World Series champion could only be drafted from a maximum of three times in the whole draft, and no more than once by the same person. That gave the draft an extra layer of strategy which I thought made it more fun.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by ian2813 View Post
            I'm probably going to have to sit out the next draft, because as I mentioned before, things have gotten busier at my job, and it might be difficult for me to keep up with another one right now. However, I can be a spectator, and I can offer suggestions on how this draft would be run, so if you like my ideas, feel free to use them.

            In the original World Series Winners Draft, we based our players' positional eligibility on the positions they played in the World Series of the year they were drafted from. Do you like that rule, or is it too constrictive?

            We also had a rule that each World Series champion could only be drafted from a maximum of three times in the whole draft, and no more than once by the same person. That gave the draft an extra layer of strategy which I thought made it more fun.
            I totally understand your situation and that's a good thing. Being too busy trumps being too bored for your future.

            I'll look at those rules you endorsed, but I'd like to kee this as free-flow as possible. I'm certainly not a dictator and will do my best to keep everybody involved will keeping the draft moving. It should be fun, but it hurts not to have one like yourself involved.
            "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
              1971 Pittsburgh Pirates
              This should be the Baltimore Orioles.

              1995 Atlanta Braves
              This should be the Cleveland Indians.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by ian2813 View Post
                This should be the Baltimore Orioles.



                This should be the Cleveland Indians.
                yep thanks - i was getting a bit woozy staring then down.
                "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
                  I totally understand your situation and that's a good thing. Being too busy trumps being too bored for your future.

                  I'll look at those rules you endorsed, but I'd like to kee this as free-flow as possible. I'm certainly not a dictator and will do my best to keep everybody involved will keeping the draft moving. It should be fun, but it hurts not to have one like yourself involved.
                  Based on my experience with the first draft, I think the positional eligibility rule probably made things a little more difficult than most people liked, so if you wanted to scrap it, it would be understandable. If you plan to do it similarly to the Player Seasons Draft, where you're trying to put together 154 games at each position, then it probably would be best to take the regular season into account.

                  I think the three-picks-per-team rule though, really made the draft what it was. Potentially desirable players like John Smoltz, Pee Wee Reese and Red Faber came off the board simply because they had three teammates picked before them, so it added to the challenge.

                  If you want to see how we did the Winners draft, you can check out the thread here.
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                  • #10
                    The three player per year rule did make that alot of fun.
                    "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                    "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                    • #11
                      Count me in.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
                        The three player per year rule did make that alot of fun.
                        Agreed. We should pick only three per team as a max and they should only be eligible for the same positions that they made an appearance in the World Series. No player used more than once, of course. I would also like to see us keep the rule from the Non HOF draft in which you can select whatever 10 pitchers you want without having to take a second-rate reliever, save maybe one.

                        I'm in, BTW.
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                        • #13
                          I'm in.

                          I have no opinion on the 3 player per year thing. I will say it seems a bit odd to require players to play the position they played in the WS, but then use their entire career stats. How do you value someone who spent most of their career at one position, but played a different one during the WS?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Wade8813 View Post
                            I'm in.

                            I have no opinion on the 3 player per year thing. I will say it seems a bit odd to require players to play the position they played in the WS, but then use their entire career stats. How do you value someone who spent most of their career at one position, but played a different one during the WS?
                            I remember that aspect causing a few issues, but did provide some fun strategy in a draft that lacks a lot of it.
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                            • #15
                              I guess I will throw my hat into the ring but I am sure I will have the worst team
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