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  • Ben Grimm
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    Okay, we're up to 7 and I'm going to randomize. Anybody who wants to still join prior to start time (Monday, October 1 @ 7pm ET / 10pm PT) is welcome to do so and will be added to the end of the first round in order of joining.

    I'll have a new Draft Thread made as well as a Team Roster Thread as soon as I put order together. I'll be sending out PMs as well to let everybody know.

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  • Tyrus4189Cobb
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    I have no problem with any of the rules. Let me know when we start (or send a PM to everyone)

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  • Ben Grimm
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    Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    I am color blind so changes in red dont help me
    Sorry wasn't aware.

    Rules 1, 3, 12 & 13 have been modified. They're also notated with ** .

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  • 9RoyHobbsRF
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    I am color blind so changes in red dont help me

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  • Ben Grimm
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    Originally posted by Wade8813 View Post
    I'm in.

    I have a couple quick things -

    1. Can we have a little more pick flexibility? I wouldn't require more than 1 backup OFer (and maybe only 9 pitchers or 1 backup IFer). Also, if we pick someone who plays both IF and OF during the WS, can they cover both requirements? Or do I need a total of 4 backups at those positions?

    2. Do we allow positional flexibility? I think a LFer should be able to play RF (and vice verse), and a CFer should be able to play LF or RF.

    3. Using your example of Thome, if we pick him for 3B, do we vote for him based only on the years he played 3B? His whole career as if he'd always played 3B? His career as it really was, even though he usually wasn't at 3B?
    I'm going to try to answer all at once since they're a bit intertwined.

    First, I modified Rule 1 to add a bit of flexibility. I don't want to go too overboard or it takes away from the challenge of the draft.

    Second, I changed Rule 12 based on my post #15. I prefer to go single-season for each player as opposed to their careers for reasons I mentioned. That said, position flexibility will be based on what that player did during the year he's drafted. If he played more than one position for at least 16 games (10% of a full season) during that given year, he can be selected to fill any of them. For example, Eric Hinske in 2008 can play RF (49 games) & LF (40 games) but not 1B (11 games).

    I think this adds enough general flexibility without hurting the integrity of the draft.

    So, with your third point, Thome (or anybody else) will only be judged on what he did during that single season.

    Make sense to everybody?

    Also, it's not allowing me to add a poll for trades. So, unless people object, I'm going to allow trades without an approval process unless things get out of hand.

    Please look over the original post in this thread. There have been multiple changes to the rules based on feedback and are noted in red.
    Last edited by Ben Grimm; 09-30-2012, 09:31 AM.

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  • Ben Grimm
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    Originally posted by John Shoemaker View Post
    One thing that's always bothered me about trading is getting league approval. I know it has to be done in online drafts where money is involved and people don't know each other and so that one player can't dump all the good players to another and invalidate the league - but I think here it's just for fun and we have all been in drafts together so I don't think anyone would take advantage of another. If someone was on the clock trying to make a trade by the time enough participants came online to aprove or reject the trade the time clock would expire. This could really slow down the draft and discourage trading.
    Makes total sense to me and I agree. I simply laid it out that way because I felt people would be hesitant allowing trades whatsoever.

    I think we're all adults here and can make proper decisions. We also have busy lives and most can't pop on at the drop of a hat simply to see if any trades are up for vote.

    I'd have no problem at all with:

    A) Eliminate trades altogether, or

    B) Allow trades with no voting/approval process.

    If I can, I'll put a poll up top and we can go with the majority and run from there.

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  • 9RoyHobbsRF
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    Originally posted by John Shoemaker View Post
    One thing that's always bothered me about trading is getting league approval. I know it has to be done in online drafts where money is involved and people don't know each other and so that one player can't dump all the good players to another and invalidate the league - but I think here it's just for fun and we have all been in drafts together so I don't think anyone would take advantage of another. If someone was on the clock trying to make a trade by the time enough participants came online to aprove or reject the trade the time clock would expire. This could really slow down the draft and discourage trading.
    agreed very good point

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  • John Shoemaker
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    One thing that's always bothered me about trading is getting league approval. I know it has to be done in online drafts where money is involved and people don't know each other and so that one player can't dump all the good players to another and invalidate the league - but I think here it's just for fun and we have all been in drafts together so I don't think anyone would take advantage of another. If someone was on the clock trying to make a trade by the time enough participants came online to aprove or reject the trade the time clock would expire. This could really slow down the draft and discourage trading.
    Last edited by John Shoemaker; 09-30-2012, 08:15 AM.

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  • Wade8813
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    I'm in.

    I have a couple quick things -

    1. Can we have a little more pick flexibility? I wouldn't require more than 1 backup OFer (and maybe only 9 pitchers or 1 backup IFer). Also, if we pick someone who plays both IF and OF during the WS, can they cover both requirements? Or do I need a total of 4 backups at those positions?

    2. Do we allow positional flexibility? I think a LFer should be able to play RF (and vice verse), and a CFer should be able to play LF or RF.

    3. Using your example of Thome, if we pick him for 3B, do we vote for him based only on the years he played 3B? His whole career as if he'd always played 3B? His career as it really was, even though he usually wasn't at 3B?
    Last edited by Wade8813; 09-29-2012, 10:25 PM.

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  • Ben Grimm
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    Originally posted by Tyrus4189Cobb View Post
    Are corner OF interchangeable?
    It's covered in my response (post #11). If it's not fair, I'm surely open to options.

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  • Tyrus4189Cobb
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    Are corner OF interchangeable?

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  • Ben Grimm
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    The WS Winners draft used each player's career as a measuring stick for voting. I'm wondering if it makes more sense to simply use what that player did during that exact season in which he's selected. Granted, there are players who get traded by the deadline to some of these teams so his entire season's stats would be used - not just for the partial time he was with his new team.

    Reason I mention this is that some players may be taken based on career numbers but may not have contributed during that given season whether too young, too old, injured, etc.

    I don't know. I'm good either way, but just thought this might have a bit more impact when selecting certain players. Any thoughts?

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  • Ben Grimm
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    Reserved for draft.

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  • Ben Grimm
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    Draft Order (once created)


    Teams Available (for a quick link, go to Baseball Reference Postseason. Clicking on the first link next to each given year such as "World Series (4-2)" will show each player that had a PA or threw a pitch during that given WS at the bottom of each page.)

    1903 Pittsburgh Pirates
    1905 Philadelpha A's
    1906 Chicago Cubs
    1907 Detroit Tigers
    1909 Detroit Tigers
    1910 Chicago Cubs
    1911 NY Giants
    1912 NY Giants
    1913 NY Giants
    1914 Philadelphia A's
    1915 Philadelphia Phillies
    1916 Brooklyn Robins
    1917 NY Giants
    1918 Chicago Cubs
    1919 Chicago White Sox
    1920 Brooklyn Robins
    1921 NY Yankees
    1922 NY Yankees
    1923 NY Giants
    1924 NY Giants
    1925 Washington Senators
    1926 NY Yankees
    1927 Pittsburgh Pirates
    1928 St Louis Cardinals
    1929 Chicago Cubs
    1930 St Louis Cardinals
    1931 Philadelphia A's
    1932 Chicago Cubs
    1933 Washington Senators
    1934 Detroit Tigers
    1935 Chicago Cubs
    1936 NY Giants
    1937 NY Giants
    1938 Chicago Cubs
    1939 Cincinnati Reds
    1940 Detroit Tigers
    1941 Brooklyn Dodgers
    1942 NY Yankees
    1943 St Louis Cardinals
    1944 St Louis Browns
    1945 Chicago Cubs
    1946 Boston Red Sox
    1947 Brooklyn Dodgers
    1948 Boston Braves
    1949 Brooklyn Dodgers
    1950 Philadelphia Phillies
    1951 NY Giants
    1952 Brooklyn Dodgers
    1953 Brooklyn Dodgers
    1954 Cleveland Indians
    1955 NY Yankees
    1956 Brooklyn Dodgers
    1957 NY Yankees
    1958 Milwaukee Braves
    1959 Chicago White Sox
    1960 NY Yankees
    1961 Cincinnati Reds
    1962 SF Giants
    1963 NY Yankees
    1964 NY Yankees
    1965 Minnesota Twins
    1966 LA Dodgers
    1967 Boston Red Sox
    1968 St Louis Cardinals
    1969 Baltimore Orioles
    1970 Cincinnati Reds
    1971 Baltimore Orioles
    1972 Cincinnati Reds
    1973 NY Mets
    1974 LA Dodgers
    1975 Boston Red Sox
    1976 NY Yankees
    1977 LA Dodgers
    1978 LA Dodgers
    1979 Baltimore O's
    1980 KC Royals
    1981 NY Yankees
    1982 Milwaukee Brewers
    1983 Philadelphia Phillies
    1984 San Diego Padres
    1985 St Louis Cardinals
    1986 Boston Red Sox
    1987 St Louis Cardinals
    1988 Oakland A's
    1989 San Fran Giants
    1990 Oakland A's
    1991 Atlanta Braves
    1992 Atlanta Braves
    1993 Philadelphia Phillies
    1995 Cleveland Indians
    1996 Atlanta Braves
    1997 Cleveland Indians
    1998 San Diego Padres
    1999 Atlanta Braves
    2000 NY Mets
    2001 NY Yankees
    2002 SF Giants
    2003 NY Yankees
    2004 St Louis Cardinals
    2005 Houston Astros
    2006 Detroit Tigers
    2007 Colorado Rockies
    2008 Tampa Rays
    2009 Philadelphia Phillies
    2010 Texas Rangers
    2011 Texas Rangers
    Last edited by Ben Grimm; 10-01-2012, 05:43 AM.

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  • Ben Grimm
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    I modified Rule 12 stating that there will be no 154-game or innings-pitched minimum. I really like it for the franchise drafts, but don't think it's necessary here.

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