World Series Losers Draft Rules, Positional Selections and Discussion

[Ben Grimm]

Okay, we're up to 7 and I'm going to randomize. Anybody who wants to still join prior to start time (Monday, October 1 @ 7pm ET / 10pm PT) is welcome to do so and will be added to the end of the first round in order of joining.

I'll have a new Draft Thread made as well as a Team Roster Thread as soon as I put order together. I'll be sending out PMs as well to let everybody know.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

I have no problem with any of the rules. Let me know when we start (or send a PM to everyone)

[Ben Grimm]

I am color blind so changes in red dont help me

Sorry wasn't aware.

Rules 1, 3, 12 & 13 have been modified. They're also notated with ** .

[9RoyHobbsRF]

I am color blind so changes in red dont help me

[Ben Grimm]

I'm in.

I have a couple quick things -

1. Can we have a little more pick flexibility? I wouldn't require more than 1 backup OFer (and maybe only 9 pitchers or 1 backup IFer). Also, if we pick someone who plays both IF and OF during the WS, can they cover both requirements? Or do I need a total of 4 backups at those positions?

2. Do we allow positional flexibility? I think a LFer should be able to play RF (and vice verse), and a CFer should be able to play LF or RF.

3. Using your example of Thome, if we pick him for 3B, do we vote for him based only on the years he played 3B? His whole career as if he'd always played 3B? His career as it really was, even though he usually wasn't at 3B?

I'm going to try to answer all at once since they're a bit intertwined.

First, I modified Rule 1 to add a bit of flexibility. I don't want to go too overboard or it takes away from the challenge of the draft.

Second, I changed Rule 12 based on my post #15. I prefer to go single-season for each player as opposed to their careers for reasons I mentioned. That said, position flexibility will be based on what that player did during the year he's drafted. If he played more than one position for at least 16 games (10% of a full season) during that given year, he can be selected to fill any of them. For example, Eric Hinske in 2008 can play RF (49 games) & LF (40 games) but not 1B (11 games).

I think this adds enough general flexibility without hurting the integrity of the draft.

So, with your third point, Thome (or anybody else) will only be judged on what he did during that single season.

Make sense to everybody?

Also, it's not allowing me to add a poll for trades. So, unless people object, I'm going to allow trades without an approval process unless things get out of hand.

Please look over the original post in this thread. There have been multiple changes to the rules based on feedback and are noted in red.

[Ben Grimm]

One thing that's always bothered me about trading is getting league approval. I know it has to be done in online drafts where money is involved and people don't know each other and so that one player can't dump all the good players to another and invalidate the league - but I think here it's just for fun and we have all been in drafts together so I don't think anyone would take advantage of another. If someone was on the clock trying to make a trade by the time enough participants came online to aprove or reject the trade the time clock would expire. This could really slow down the draft and discourage trading.

Makes total sense to me and I agree. I simply laid it out that way because I felt people would be hesitant allowing trades whatsoever.

I think we're all adults here and can make proper decisions. We also have busy lives and most can't pop on at the drop of a hat simply to see if any trades are up for vote.

I'd have no problem at all with:

A) Eliminate trades altogether, or

B) Allow trades with no voting/approval process.

If I can, I'll put a poll up top and we can go with the majority and run from there.

[9RoyHobbsRF]

One thing that's always bothered me about trading is getting league approval. I know it has to be done in online drafts where money is involved and people don't know each other and so that one player can't dump all the good players to another and invalidate the league - but I think here it's just for fun and we have all been in drafts together so I don't think anyone would take advantage of another. If someone was on the clock trying to make a trade by the time enough participants came online to aprove or reject the trade the time clock would expire. This could really slow down the draft and discourage trading.

agreed very good point

[John Shoemaker]

One thing that's always bothered me about trading is getting league approval. I know it has to be done in online drafts where money is involved and people don't know each other and so that one player can't dump all the good players to another and invalidate the league - but I think here it's just for fun and we have all been in drafts together so I don't think anyone would take advantage of another. If someone was on the clock trying to make a trade by the time enough participants came online to aprove or reject the trade the time clock would expire. This could really slow down the draft and discourage trading.

[Wade8813]

I'm in.

I have a couple quick things -

1. Can we have a little more pick flexibility? I wouldn't require more than 1 backup OFer (and maybe only 9 pitchers or 1 backup IFer). Also, if we pick someone who plays both IF and OF during the WS, can they cover both requirements? Or do I need a total of 4 backups at those positions?

2. Do we allow positional flexibility? I think a LFer should be able to play RF (and vice verse), and a CFer should be able to play LF or RF.

3. Using your example of Thome, if we pick him for 3B, do we vote for him based only on the years he played 3B? His whole career as if he'd always played 3B? His career as it really was, even though he usually wasn't at 3B?

[Ben Grimm]

Are corner OF interchangeable?

It's covered in my response (post #11). If it's not fair, I'm surely open to options.

[Tyrus4189Cobb]

Are corner OF interchangeable?

[Ben Grimm]

The WS Winners draft used each player's career as a measuring stick for voting. I'm wondering if it makes more sense to simply use what that player did during that exact season in which he's selected. Granted, there are players who get traded by the deadline to some of these teams so his entire season's stats would be used - not just for the partial time he was with his new team.

Reason I mention this is that some players may be taken based on career numbers but may not have contributed during that given season whether too young, too old, injured, etc.

I don't know. I'm good either way, but just thought this might have a bit more impact when selecting certain players. Any thoughts?

[Ben Grimm]

Reserved for draft.

[Ben Grimm]

Draft Order (once created)


Teams Available (for a quick link, go to Baseball Reference Postseason. Clicking on the first link next to each given year such as "World Series (4-2)" will show each player that had a PA or threw a pitch during that given WS at the bottom of each page.)

1903 Pittsburgh Pirates
1905 Philadelpha A's
1906 Chicago Cubs
1907 Detroit Tigers
1909 Detroit Tigers
1910 Chicago Cubs
1911 NY Giants
1912 NY Giants
1913 NY Giants
1914 Philadelphia A's
1915 Philadelphia Phillies
1916 Brooklyn Robins
1917 NY Giants
1918 Chicago Cubs
1919 Chicago White Sox
1920 Brooklyn Robins
1921 NY Yankees
1922 NY Yankees
1923 NY Giants
1924 NY Giants
1925 Washington Senators
1926 NY Yankees
1927 Pittsburgh Pirates
1928 St Louis Cardinals
1929 Chicago Cubs
1930 St Louis Cardinals
1931 Philadelphia A's
1932 Chicago Cubs
1933 Washington Senators
1934 Detroit Tigers
1935 Chicago Cubs
1936 NY Giants
1937 NY Giants
1938 Chicago Cubs
1939 Cincinnati Reds
1940 Detroit Tigers
1941 Brooklyn Dodgers
1942 NY Yankees
1943 St Louis Cardinals
1944 St Louis Browns
1945 Chicago Cubs
1946 Boston Red Sox
1947 Brooklyn Dodgers
1948 Boston Braves
1949 Brooklyn Dodgers
1950 Philadelphia Phillies
1951 NY Giants
1952 Brooklyn Dodgers
1953 Brooklyn Dodgers
1954 Cleveland Indians
1955 NY Yankees
1956 Brooklyn Dodgers
1957 NY Yankees
1958 Milwaukee Braves
1959 Chicago White Sox
1960 NY Yankees
1961 Cincinnati Reds
1962 SF Giants
1963 NY Yankees
1964 NY Yankees
1965 Minnesota Twins
1966 LA Dodgers
1967 Boston Red Sox
1968 St Louis Cardinals
1969 Baltimore Orioles
1970 Cincinnati Reds
1971 Baltimore Orioles
1972 Cincinnati Reds
1973 NY Mets
1974 LA Dodgers
1975 Boston Red Sox
1976 NY Yankees
1977 LA Dodgers
1978 LA Dodgers
1979 Baltimore O's
1980 KC Royals
1981 NY Yankees
1982 Milwaukee Brewers
1983 Philadelphia Phillies
1984 San Diego Padres
1985 St Louis Cardinals
1986 Boston Red Sox
1987 St Louis Cardinals
1988 Oakland A's
1989 San Fran Giants
1990 Oakland A's
1991 Atlanta Braves
1992 Atlanta Braves
1993 Philadelphia Phillies
1995 Cleveland Indians
1996 Atlanta Braves
1997 Cleveland Indians
1998 San Diego Padres
1999 Atlanta Braves
2000 NY Mets
2001 NY Yankees
2002 SF Giants
2003 NY Yankees
2004 St Louis Cardinals
2005 Houston Astros
2006 Detroit Tigers
2007 Colorado Rockies
2008 Tampa Rays
2009 Philadelphia Phillies
2010 Texas Rangers
2011 Texas Rangers

[Ben Grimm]

I modified Rule 12 stating that there will be no 154-game or innings-pitched minimum. I really like it for the franchise drafts, but don't think it's necessary here.