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  • #31
    OOPS. Cripes and I haven't even had a beer today.
    "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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    • #32
      your list of eligible teams is kinda messed up in the 1943-1947 range
      1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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      • #33
        Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
        your list of eligible teams is kinda messed up in the 1943-1947 range
        Thanks for noticing. I think I've got it fixed now.
        "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
          Thanks for noticing. I think I've got it fixed now.
          I would also make separate listing for 1952 Dodgers
          and 1953 Dodgers

          on your list of losers
          1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
          2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
          3. My table top gaming blog: http://cary333.blogspot.com/

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          • #35
            I'd rather keep this over here in the discussion/rules thread so as not to clutter the draft picks.

            Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
            just curious as there is a difference in criteria for pitchers and hitters

            hitters can play any position they played at least 16 games in during the REGULAR season

            but pitchers can only start or relieve if they started or relieved in the world series

            seems pitchers should have the ability to start or relieve if they did so in the regular season, just like hitters
            I think I see it now. It was likely due to Rule 1 stating that four starters actually started in the WS. Yeah, that should have been changed the same way as the hitters. As long as a pitcher threw a pitch (regardless as a starter or reliever), he's eligible to be selected and used which ever way works best for his given season.

            I would aslo (or rather) like to see players chosen in the list of order taken
            I'm putting that into the Rosters Thread since it's not nearly as relevant to the direct draft as it is simply for rounding things out. But I will modify the one in the draft thread as we go to simplify searching.
            "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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            • #36
              Old timers' OF position eligibility:

              This came up to me today and it was a question I had during the Athletics' draft. For outfielders prior to 1920 or so, the bottom of the BB-Ref's player page will often list those players simply as OF with no distinct designation.

              What to do is this... Scan across to the far right side of the page and you'll see three numbers separated by hyphons. These are the fielding designations for players of the era working across the field LF-CF-RF. So if a player shows 65-0-42, that means he played 65 games in LF, no games in CF, and 42 games in RF.
              "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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              • #37
                Guys - don't forget to post your rosters on the Roster Thread.

                Even if you don't feel like doing it right now, at least reserve a spot in the thread so they can all be towards the top.
                "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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                • #38
                  Well, we've had two official trades so far.

                  Do you guys like the option, don't like, or feel indifferent?

                  I like it myself because it's something I think baseball should allow during their draft process. It works well for other sports and in the real world, would give the have-nots' some leverage to play with.

                  I like it here because aggressive players may pay a tidy sum - though that hasn't happened yet with such a small sample size. It also works the other way for drafters looking to solidify depth.

                  It may be a nice option to have moving forward, though I wouldn't push it upon anybody who runs the next draft (whatever it will be) as that person should have full reign as to how he/she wants things to go. But so far, I haven't seen anything lopsided, and I also haven't seen anything that would have required a set of approvals in-league that can slow things down.

                  What do you guys think?
                  "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
                    Well, we've had two official trades so far.

                    Do you guys like the option, don't like, or feel indifferent?

                    I like it myself because it's something I think baseball should allow during their draft process. It works well for other sports and in the real world, would give the have-nots' some leverage to play with.

                    I like it here because aggressive players may pay a tidy sum - though that hasn't happened yet with such a small sample size. It also works the other way for drafters looking to solidify depth.

                    It may be a nice option to have moving forward, though I wouldn't push it upon anybody who runs the next draft (whatever it will be) as that person should have full reign as to how he/she wants things to go. But so far, I haven't seen anything lopsided, and I also haven't seen anything that would have required a set of approvals in-league that can slow things down.

                    What do you guys think?
                    We had a stratomatic league once and trades were allowed and encouraged. Just 4 guys and the 1977 season cards - we took a stock team of 20 players (I took the Reds, others were the Yankees, Phillies and Pirates) and then we drafted 7 players and "cut" 2. But having a draft for a 27 man roster allowed you to make 2 for 1 trades (I made several) and not have to worry about not having enough players. That is not the case here. I t is impossible to make a 2 for 1 trade without penalizing someone who could be a player short. Just food for thought, draft say a 27 man roster and allow guys to designate say 25 players for a particular series. Flexibility is a key.

                    JFY here is how I think the draft went (I was lucky enough to draft first and was paranoid about the Reds pitching) - it was a snake draft. It was also our first league and I probably would have drafted MUCH different after I got more experience.


                    R1 Rreds - Bruce Sutter
                    Ri Phillies Rod Carew
                    R1 Yankees Steve Garvey
                    R1 Pirates Reggie SMith

                    R2 Pirates George Brett
                    R2 Yankees Ellis Valentine*
                    R2 Phillies - Jim Rice
                    R2 Reds - Frank Tanana

                    R3 Reds Gary Lavelle
                    R3 Phillies Carlton Fisk
                    R3 Yankees Nolan Ryan
                    R3 Pirates Ted Simmons

                    R4 Pirates JR Richard
                    R4 Yankees Carl Yastrzemski
                    R4 Phillies Jim Palmer
                    R4 Reds Al Cowens

                    R5 Reds Tommy John
                    R5 Phillies Lyman Bostock
                    R5 Yankees ??
                    R5 Pirates Garry Templeton

                    * Ellis Valentine was a new relatively unkown player and he had a monster card vs LH pitchers a lot of HR previously unseen in SOM plus a great fielder - 1 fielding and -5 arm, it was a stealth pick and we were shocked to see that card

                    dont remember all the rest (2 more picks each)

                    I ended up trading Pete Rose and Tommy John for Larry Christenson and Mike Schmidt in a STEAL!
                    Also ended up with Reggie Jackson - the Yankees owner was pissed he wasnt hitting and traded him to me I think Griffey And Cowens for Jackson and Cedeno or something

                    If I was to do it over, I would either try to trade down for value and more picks OR would have gone for probably Reggie Smith or Rod Carew, problem was I already had a .300 hitting medium power left handed hitting 1B (Driessen) and I was not as smart as the Pirates manager who had Dave Parker for RF - but Smith was carded for RF and CF and although he was just a "3" (average) in CF, he had a
                    -4 arm and the Piartes manager drafted him as his CF - very smart a switch hitter with good power and good OB%.

                    Me ending lineup was
                    Cedeno CF
                    Morgan 2B
                    Jackson RF
                    Foster LF
                    Schmidt 3B
                    Driessen 1B
                    Bench C
                    Concepcion SS

                    I think I flip flopped Bench and Driessen for LH pitchers - I had 5 "1's" on defense (excellent) 2B SS 3B CF C

                    I went 17-19 and tied for third we had a 1 game playoff which I won (vs Phillies) then I beat the Yankees (19-17) in the semis I think 3 games to 1 with 2 games going extra innings then I took a 2-0 lead in the WS over the Pirates (19-17) with Seaver and Tanana getting back to back shutouts, then we folded the league and started a Sports Illustrated Football league - swear to god.
                    Last edited by 9RoyHobbsRF; 10-06-2012, 01:05 PM.
                    1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
                    2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
                    3. My table top gaming blog: http://cary333.blogspot.com/

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                    • #40
                      Just so you know, you can absolutely do a 2-1... or even a 5-1 deal here.

                      You simply need to make those picks up later.

                      Say I give you my 6th round pick for your 9th and 12th round picks. You're now down one. BUT you can easily go later and offer up say a 14th for somebody's 17th & 20th or something like that. You can go unbalanced. But it's up to you to make sure you have 25 on your roster by year's end or else it's defaulted.
                      "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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                      • #41
                        well there becomes a point when you can leveraged because the other members know you need a 2 for 1 trade to complete a 25 man roster and squeeze you

                        I was famous in 6th grade when we had a school softball league with 3 teams and we had to bid for players (yes back in 1970) and we knew each team needed x amount of players ... the teacher put his name on the list at the end so he would be the last player available

                        one guy filled his team then when the other player giot down to 1 player needed, I offered him 2 better players for one good player - he took the deal and called me a sucker then had no more roster room and I got the teacher (and the remaining players) for the minum amount - I had the three best players on my team, the guy I paid the most of anybody for (gladly), me and the teacher, we won the league easily
                        1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
                        2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
                        3. My table top gaming blog: http://cary333.blogspot.com/

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