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  • World Series Losers: Roster Thread

    Please post your rosters here along with a team name and any statistical information you'd like. Round by round selections will be listed here as well.

    Players Selected (sorted by round)

    1.001: 1926 Yankees - Babe Ruth (Matt)
    1.002: 1929 Cubs - Rogers Hornsby (Wade)
    1.003: 1903 Pirates - Honus Wagner (ChiSox)
    1.004: 1909 Tigers - Ty Cobb (Tyrus)
    1.005: 1962 Giants - Willie Mays (Hobbs)
    1.006: 1982 Brewers - Robin Yount (B G)
    1.007: 2002 Giants - Barry Bonds (J S)
    1.008: 1957 Yankees - Mickey Mantle (Ron)

    2.009: 1966 Dodgers - Sandy Koufax (Ron)
    2.010: 1958 Braves - Hank Aaron (J S)
    2.011: 1967 Red Sox - Carl Yastrzemski (B G)
    2.012: 1915 Phillies - Grover Cleveland Alexander (Hobbs)
    2.013: 1914 Athletics - Eddie Collins (Tyrus)
    2.014: 1972 Reds - Johnny Bench (ChiSox)
    2.015: 1946 Red Sox - Ted Williams (Wade)
    2.016: 1968 Cardinals - Bob Gibson (Matt)

    3.017: 1980 Royals - George Brett (Matt)
    3.018: 1953 Dodgers - Roy Campanella (Wade)
    3.019: 1931 Athletics - Lefty Grove (ChiSox)
    3.020: 1906 Cubs - Mordecai Brown (Tyrus)
    3.021: 1949 Dodgers - Jackie Robinson (Hobbs)
    3.022: 1973 Mets - Tom Seaver (B G)
    3.023: 1961 Reds - Frank Robinson (J S)
    3.024: 1931 Athletics - Mickey Cochrane (Ron)

    4.025: 1936 Giants - Carl Hubbell (Ron)
    4.026: 1919 White Sox - Eddie Cicotte (J S)
    4.027: 1972 Reds - Joe Morgan (B G)
    4.028: 1999 Braves - Chipper Jones (Hobbs)
    4.029: 1935 Cubs - Gabby Hartnett (Tyrus)
    4.030: 1990 Athletics - Rickey Henderson (ChiSox)
    4.031: 1986 Red Sox - Roger Clemens (Wade)
    4.032: 2004 Cardinals - Albert Pujols (Matt)

    5.033: 1996 Braves - Greg Maddux (Matt)
    5.034: 1943 Cardinals - Stan Musial (Wade)
    5.035: 1989 Giants - Will Clark (ChiSox)
    5.036: 2004 Cardinals - Scott Rolen (Tyrus)
    5.037: 1940 Tigers - Hank Greenberg (Hobbs)
    5.038: 1953 Dodgers - Duke Snider (B G)
    5.039: 1997 Indians - Jim Thome (J S)
    5.040: 1934 Tigers - Charlie Gehringer (Ron)

    6.041: 1911 Giants - Christy Mathewson (Ron)
    6.042: 1983 Phillies - Mike Schmidt (J S)
    6.043: 1988 Athletics - Jose Canseco (B G)
    6.044: 1927 Pirates - Paul Waner (Hobbs)
    6.045: 1933 Senators - Joe Cronin (Tyrus)
    6.046: 1985 Cardinals - John Tudor (ChiSox)
    6.047: 1996 Braves - John Smoltz (Wade)
    6.048: 1987 Cardinals - Ozzie Smith (Matt)

    7.049: 1991 Braves - Tom Glavine (Matt)
    7.050: 1949 Dodgers - Pee Wee Reese (Wade)
    7.051: 1998 Padres - Kevin Brown (ChiSox)
    7.052: 1941 Dodgers - Dolph Camilli (Tyrus)
    7.053: 1955 Yankees - Yogi Berra (Hobbs)
    7.054: 1918 Cubs - Hippo Vaughn (B G)
    7.055: 1931 Athletics - Jimmie Foxx (J S)
    7.056: 1960 Yankees - Roger Maris (Ron)

    8.057: 2010 Rangers - Josh Hamilton (Ron)
    8.058: 1907 Tigers - Bill Donovan (J S)
    8.059: 1965 Twins - Zoilo Versalles (Hobbs)1
    8.060: 1935 Cubs - Augie Galan (Hobbs)
    8.061: 1964 Yankees - Whitey Ford (Tyrus)
    8.062: 1986 Red Sox - Wade Boggs (ChiSox)
    8.063: 1970 Reds - Tony Perez (Wade)
    8.064: 1995 Indians - Albert Belle (Matt)

    9.065: 1950 Phillies - Robin Roberts (Matt)
    9.066: 2004 Cardinals - Jim Edmonds (Wade)
    9.067: 1936 Giants - Mel Ott (ChiSox)
    9.068: 1975 Red Sox - Fred Lynn (Tyrus)
    9.069: 1905 Athletics - Eddie Plank (Hobbs)
    9.070: 1939 Reds - Bucky Walters (B G)
    9.071: 1909 Tigers - George Mullin (J S)
    9.072: 1937 Giants - Dick Bartell (Ron)

    10.073: 1948 Braves - Johnny Sain (Ron)
    10.074: 1995 Indians - Manny Ramirez (J S)
    10.075: 1989 Giants - Kevin Mitchell (BG)
    10.076: 2003 Yankees - Jorge Posada (BG)1
    10.077: 1990 Athletics - Dennis Eckersley (Tyrus)
    10.078: 2003 Yankees - Mariano Rivera (ChiSox)
    10.079: 1926 Yankees - Lou Gehrig (Wade)
    10.080: 1985 Cardinals - Willie McGee (Matt)

    11.081: 2000 Mets - Mike Piazza (Matt)
    11.082: 2001 Yankees - Mike Mussina (Wade)
    11.083: 1941 Dodgers - Pete Reiser (ChiSox)
    11.084: 1974 Giants - Jimmy Wynn (Tyrus)
    11.085: 1966 Dodgers - Phil Regan (Hobbs)
    11.086: 1928 Cardinals - Jim Bottomley (Hobbs)2
    11.087: 1990 Athletics - Marc McGwire (J S)
    11.088: 1991 Braves - Terry Pendleton (Ron)

    12.089: 1998 Padres - Trevor Hoffman (Ron)
    12.090: 1911 Giants - Rube Marquard (J S)
    12.091: 2005 Astros - Andy Pettitte (B G)
    12.092: 1923 Giants - Frankie Frisch (B G)2
    12.093: 1963 Yankees - Elston Howard (Tyrus)
    12.094: 1906 Cubs - Jack Pfiester (ChiSox)
    12.095: 1977 Dodgers - Reggie Smith (Wade)
    12.096: 2009 Phillies - Chase Utley (Matt)

    13.097: 2005 Astros - Roy Oswalt (Matt)
    13.098: 1918 Cubs - Lefty Tyler (Wade)
    13.099: 1942 Yankees - Joe Gordon (ChiSox)
    13.100: 1949 Dodgers - Preacher Roe (Tyrus)
    13.101: 1906 Cubs - Frank Chance (B G)2
    13.102: 1999 Braves - Kevin Millwood (B G)
    13.103: 1917 Giants - Ferdie Schupp (J S)
    13.104: 1940 Tigers - Rudy York (Ron)

    14.105: 1954 Indians - Mike Garcia (Ron)
    14.106: 1952 Dodgers - Joe Black (J S)
    14.107: 1974 Dodgers - Mike Marshall (B G)
    14.108: 1941 Dodgers - Whit Wyatt (Hobbs)1 & 2
    14.109: 1969 Orioles - Mike Cuellar (Tyrus)
    14.110: 1929 Cubs - Hack Wilson (ChiSox)
    14.111: 1981 Yankees - Goose Gossage (Wade)
    14.112: 2011 Rangers - Mike Napoli (Matt)

    15.113: 1932 Cubs - Lon Warneke (Matt)
    15.114: 1940 Dodgers - Bobo Newsom (Wade)
    15.115: 1983 Phillies - John Denny (ChiSox)
    15.116: 2002 Giants - Jeff Kent (Tyrus)
    15.117: 1995 Indians - Jose Mesa (Hobbs)
    15.118: 1914 Athletics - Frank Baker (B G)
    15.119: 1910 Cubs - King Cole (J S)
    15.120: 1915 Phillies - Gavvy Cravath (Ron)

    16.121: 1950 Phillies - Jim Konstanty (Ron)
    16.122: 1934 Tigers - Billy Rogell (J S)
    16.123: 1969 Orioles - Boog Powell (B G)
    16.124: 1943 Cardinals - Max Lanier (Hobbs)
    16.125: 1903 Pirates - Fred Clarke (Tyrus)
    16.126: 1919 White Sox - Joe Jackson (ChiSox)
    16.127: 1920 Robins - Sherry Smith (Wade)
    16.128: 1911 Giants - Larry Doyle (Matt)

    17.129: 2006 Tigers - Joel Zumaya (Matt)
    17.130: 2007 Rockies - Manny Corpas (Wade)
    17.131: 1969 Orioles - Eddie Watt (ChiSox)
    17.132: 1957 Yankees - Gil McDougald (Tyrus)
    17.133: 1981 Yankees - Dave Righetti (Hobbs)
    17.134: 1951 Giants - Monte Irvin (B G)
    17.135: 1981 Yankees - Reggie Jackson (J S)
    17.136: 1961 Reds - Vada Pinson (Ron)

    18.137: 1958 Braves - Warren Spahn (Ron)
    18.138: 1965 Twins - Harmon Killebrew (J S)
    18.139: 1983 Phillies - Al Holland (B G)
    18.140: 1975 Red Sox - Carlton Fisk (Hobbs)
    18.141: 2008 Rays - Grant Balfour (Tyrus)
    18.142: 1976 Yankees - Thurman Munson (ChiSox)
    18.143: 1944 Browns - Vern Stephens (Wade)
    18.144: Rays - J.P. Howell (Matt)

    19.145: 1925 Senators - Goose Goslin (Matt)
    19.146: 1912 Giants - Chief Myers (Wade)
    19.147: 1948 Braves - Bob Elliot (ChiSox)
    19.148: 1938 Cubs - Bill Lee (Tyrus)
    19.149: 1938 Cubs - Dizzy Dean (Hobbs)
    19.150: 2006 Tigers - Carlos Guillen (B G)
    19.151: 1985 Cardinals - Tommy Herr (J S)
    19.152: 1967 Red Sox - Jerry Adair (Ron)

    20.153: 2007 Rockies - Troy Tulowitzki (Ron)
    20.154: 1903 Pirates - Sam Leever (J S)
    20.155: 1997 Indians - Omar Vizquel (Hobbs)1
    20.156: 1970 Reds - Bobby Tolan (Hobbs)
    20.157: 2001 Yankees - Mike Stanton (Tyrus)
    20.158: 1925 Senators - Sam Rice (ChiSox)
    20.159: 1942 Yankees - Joe DiMaggio (Wade)
    20.160: 1974 Dodgers - Andy Messersmith (Matt)

    21.161: 2001 Yankees - Derek Jeter (Matt)
    21.162: 2005 Astros - Brad Lidge (Wade)
    21.163: 1945 Cubs - Phil Caveretta (ChiSox)
    21.164: 1958 Braves - Eddie Mathews (Tyrus)
    21.165: 1968 Cardinals - Joe Hoerner (Hobbs)
    21.166: 1921 Yankees - Wally Schang (B G)
    21.167: 1982 Brewers - Ted Simmons (J S)
    21.168: 1959 White Sox - Sherm Lollar (Ron)

    22.169: 1978 Dodgers - Terry Forster (Ron)
    22.170: 1971 Orioles - Dave McNally (J S)
    22.171: 1910 Cubs - Solly Hofman (B G)
    22.172: 1971 Orioles - Brooks Robinson (Hobbs)
    22.173: 1979 Orioles - Eddie Murray (Tyrus)
    22.174: 1938 Cubs - Billy Herman (ChiSox)
    22.175: 2010 Rangers - Darren Oliver (Wade)
    22.176: 1982 Brewers - Paul Molitor (Matt)

    23.177: 1916 Robins - Zack Wheat (Matt)
    23.178: 1959 White Sox - Nellie Fox (Wade)
    23.179: 1970 Cincinnati Reds - Don Gullett (ChiSox)
    23.180: 1988 Athletics - Dave Henderson (Tyrus)
    23.181: 2000 Mets - Edgardo Alfonzo (Hobbs)
    23.182: 1979 Orioles - Tim Stoddard (B G)
    23.183: 1977 Dodgers - Tommy John (J S)
    23.184: 1980 Royals - Dan Quisenberry (Ron)

    24.185: 1907 Tigers - Sam Crawford (Ron)
    24.186: 1996 Braves - Marquis Grissom (J S)
    24.187: 1954 Indians - Don Mossi (B G)
    24.188: 1929 Cubs - Kiki Cuyler (Hobbs)
    24.189: 1947 Dodgers - Ralph Branca (Tyrus)
    24.190: 1978 Dodgers - Bob Welch (ChiSox)
    24.191: 1968 Cardinals - Lou Brock (Wade)
    24.192: 1993 Phillies - Darren Daulton (Matt)

    25.193: 1954 Indians - Early Wynn (Matt)
    25.194: 1998 Padres - Greg Vaughn (Wade)
    25.195: 1984 Padres - Craig Lefferts (ChiSox)
    25.196: 1972 Reds - Clay Carroll (Tyrus)
    25.197: 1944 Browns - Jack Kramer (Hobbs)
    25.198: 2010 Rangers - Darren O'Day (B G)
    25.199: 1939 Reds - Ernie Lombardi (J S)
    25.200: 1921 Yankees - Waite Hoyt (Ron)


    Transaction History

    1 - B G traded picks 59 & 155 to Hobbs for picks 76 & 108
    2 - Hobbs traded picks 92 & 101 to B G for picks 86 & 108
    3 -
    Last edited by Ben Grimm; 10-19-2012, 06:45 AM.
    "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

  • #2
    Participating Member and GM: 9RoyHobbsRF
    Team Name: HONOLULU RAINBOW SURFERS
    Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
    Manager: Duke Kahanamoku
    Bench Coach: Earl Weaver
    Pitching Coach: Al Lopez
    Hitting Coach: Roy Hobbs, the best God Damn Hitter I ever saw
    Home Stadium: Aloha Stadium
    Team Colors: Coconut Cream, Lava Red, Tahitian Blue
    Cheerleaders / Ball Girls : Hawaiian Surfer Girls in Bikinis

    TEAM ROSTER
    SP/RP: Grover Cleveland "Pete" Alexander, 1915 Philadelphia Phillies (Round 2, Pick 4)
    SP: Edward Stewart "Gettysburgh Eddie" Plank, 1905 Philadelphia Athletics (Round 9, Pick 5)
    SP/RP: John Whitlow "Whit" Wyatt, 1941 Brooklyn Dodgers, (Round 14, Pick 4)
    SP: David Allan "Rags" Righetti, 1981 New York Yankees (Round 17, pick 5)
    SP/RP: John Henry "Jack" Kramer, 1944 St. Louis Browns (Round 25, Pick 5)
    SP/RP: Hubert Max Lanier, 1943 St. Louis Cardinals, (Round 16, pick 4)
    SP/RP: Jay Hanna "Dizzy" Dean, 1938 Chicago Cubs (Round 19, pick 5)
    RP/CL: Jose Ramon Nova "Joe Table" Mesa, 1995 Cleveland Indians (Round 15, Pick 5)
    RP/CL: Joseph Walter Hoerner, 1968 St. Louis Cardinals (Round 21, pick 5)
    RP/CL: Phil Raymond "The Vulture" Regan, 1966 Los Angeles Dodgers (Round 11, Pick 3)

    C: Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra, 1955 New York Yankees (Round 7, Pick 5)
    C: Carlton Ernest "Pudge" Fisk, 1975 Boston Red Sox (Round 18, Pick 4)

    1B: James Leroy "Sunny Jim" Bottomley, 1928 St. Louis Cardinals (Round 11, pick 4)
    2B: Jack Roosevelt "Jackie" Robinson, 1949 Brooklyn Dodgers (Round 3, Pick 5)
    2B: Edgardo Antonio Alfonso, 2000 New York Mets (Round 23, pick 5)
    SS: Zoilo Casanova "Zorro" Versalles, 1965 Minnesota Twins (Pick obtained from BG, Round 8, Pick 3)
    SS: Omar Enrique "Little O" Vizquel, 1997 Cleveland Indians (Round 20, pick 3)
    3B: Larry Wayne "Chipper" Jones, 1999 Braves (Round 4, Pick 4)
    3B: Brooks Calbert "The Human Vacuum Cleaner" Robinson, 1971 Baltimore Orioles, (Round 22, pick 4)

    LF: August John "Augie" Galan, 1935 Chicago Cubs (Round 8, Pick 4)
    LF/DH: Henry Benjamin "Hammerin' Hank" Greenberg, 1940 Detroit Tigers (Round 5, Pick 5)
    CF: Willie Howard "The Say Hey Kid" Mays, 1962 San Francisco Giants (Round 1, Pick 5)
    CF/PR: Robert "Bobby" Tolan, 1970 Cincinnati Reds (Round 20, pick 4)
    RF: Paul "Big Poison" Waner, 1927 Pittsburgh Pirates (Round 6, Pick 4)
    RF/DH/PR: Hazen Shirley "Kiki" Cuyler, 1929 Chicago Cubs (Round 24, Pick 4)

    PITCHERS
    1915 ALEXANDER
    ... WAR 10.4 W-L 31-10 IP 376.1 ERA 1.22 ERA+ 225 K 241 BB 64 H 253 HR 3 GS 42 CG 36 S 3
    1905 PLANK (LH)
    ... WAR 6.3 W-L 24-12 IP 346.2 ERA 2.26 ERA+ 117 K 210 BB 75 H 287 HR 3 GS 41 CG 35 S 0
    1941 WYATT
    ... WAR 6.7 W-L 22-10 IP 288.1 ERA 2.34 ERA+ 159 K 176 BB 82 H 223 HR 10 GS 35 CG 23 S 1
    1981 RIGHETTI* (LH) - strike shortened year
    ... WAR 3.4 W-L 8-4 IP 105.1 ERA 2.05 ERA+ 174 K 89 BB 38 H 75 HR 1 GS 15 CG 2 S 0
    1944 KRAMER
    ... WAR 4.6 W-L 17-13 IP 257 ERA 2.49 ERA+ 146 K 124 BB 75 H 233 HR 3 GS 31 CG 18 S 0
    1943 LANIER (LH)
    ... WAR 4.6 W-L 15-7 IP 213.1 ERA 1.90 ERA+ 178 K 123 BB 75 H 195 HR 3 GS 25 CG 14 S 3
    1938 DEAN
    ... WAR 2.5 W-L 7.1 IP 74.2 ERA 1.81 ERA+ 212 K 22 BB 8 H 63 HR 2 GS 10 CG 3 S 0
    1995 MESA
    ... WAR 3.8 W-L 3.0 IP 64 ERA 1.13 ERA+ 418 K 58 BB 17 H 49 HR 3 GS 0 CG 0 S 46
    1968 HOERNER (LH)
    ... WAR 1.7 W-L 8-2 IP 49 ERA 1.47 ERA+ 199 K 42 BB 12 H 34 HR 2 GS 0 CG 0 S 17
    1966 REGAN
    ... WAR 4.9 W-L 14-1 IP 116.2 ERA 1.62 ERA+ 203 K 88 BB 24 H 85 HR 6 GS 0 CG 0 S 21



    TEAM CREDENTIALS

    LEAGUE MVPS
    C (Berra), 1B (Bottomley), 2B (Robinson), SS (Versalles), 3B (Jones) LF/DH (Greenberg) and RF (Waner), also CF Mays was easily the best player in 1962 but the voters were wrongly mesmerized by a stolen base record. P Alexander would have won the MVP award in 1915 had there been a vote.

    BEST PLAYERS?

    I think there is no question I have the best CF, the best 3B and possibly the best LF (Greenberg) in the league. Alexander has a legitimate claim as the best pitcher due to high IP incredible W-L record, low ERA and he even saved 3 games. My SS led the AL position players in both offensive and defensive WAR. I have a superb LH/RH catching platoon. My weakest position is probably first base, with no platoon, but my player was his league's MVP and led the league in 3B, HR , XBH, TB and RBI, plus I think I have a better 1B than several teams, including one who bats his 1B third (mine will be lucky to bat 6th or 7th in my lineup, and maybe 9th vs a LH pitcher.)

    CLUB BALANCE: LH/RH (hitting)
    Switch Hitters Chipper Jones, Augie Galan, Omar Vizquel. LH hitters Jim Bottomley, Paul Waner and Yogi Berra, Bobby Tolan. RH Hitters, Willie Mays, Hank Greenberg, Jackie Robinson, Zoilo Versalles, Kiki Cuyler, Carlton Fisk, Edgardo Alfonso, Brooks Robinson.

    CLUB BALANCE POWER/SPEED
    Power? Mays has more HR (49) than 99% of the players in the draft league. Chipper Jones added 46 HR, Hank Greenberg 40. Jim Bottomley had 31 to lead his league. Middle infielders Jackie Robinson (16) and Zoilo Versalles (19) both could pop the ball. Yogi Berra, a rare LH hitting C who had HR power adds 27 HR. Edgardo Alfonso hit 25 as a 2B, Brooks Robinson 20.

    Speed? Mays, Tolan, Jackie Robinson, Cuyler, Galan, Waner, Vizquel , Versalles were all base stealers and great runners. Tolan, J. Robinson, Galan and Cuyler all led their league in SB.
    Galan had 748 PA with ZERO GIDP. Versalles had 728 PA and only 7 GIDP.

    Play in a big spacious park? Waner (18), Bottomley (20), and Versalles (12) all led their leagues in 3B. Jackie had 12 3B, Galan had 11.

    Small Ball: Vizquel, Tolan, Galan, J Robinson, Versalles, Cuyler all excellent small ball players

    HITTING: AVERAGE
    Waner .380
    Cuyler .360
    J. Robinson .342
    Greenberg .340
    7 other .300 hitters


    DEFENSE / FIELDING
    Mays, B. Robinson and Vizquel all have legitimate claims to being the best fielding player at their position ever. Vizquel (SS), Robinson (3B) Versalles (SS) and Mays (CF) were Gold Glovers. Jackie was an excellent 2B, Berra was a very good Catcher and an excellent handler of pitchers, as was Fisk. Alfonso was highly regarded. Waner and Cuyler were both superb OF with strong arms. Tolan was speedy and very good.

    PITCHING BALANCE (LH/RH)
    RH available starters: Alexander, Wyatt, Kramer, Dean
    LH available starters: Plank, Righetti, Lanier
    RH available relievers: Dean, Wyatt, Kramer, Mesa, Regan, Alexander
    LH available relievers: Lanier, Hoerner

    PITCHING (Low HR allowed)
    Alexander 3 in 376 IP
    Plank 3 in 346 IP
    Wyatt 10 in 288 IP
    Kramer 3 in 257 IP
    Lanier 3 in 213 IP
    Regan 6 in 117 IP
    Righetti 1 in 105 IP
    Dean 2 in 74 IP
    Mesa 3 in 64 IP
    Hoerner 2 in 49 IP
    TEAM ONLY 36 HR allowed in 1889 IP
    I checked every other team out there and can confirm at least 6 and possibly 7 had rotations where just two pitchers allowed more HR than my entire 10 man staff, and I only have two deadball pitchers, and no one should question Alexander's 1915 season in which it was clearly one of the best 2-3 (if not THE best) pitching season ever and certainly one of the best 2-3 and possibly the best in this draft. Opponents wil have a difficult time homering off me and I will out homer all other teams head to head easily.

    STARTING PITCHERS (MAIN)
    Alexander 31-10, 1.22 ERA 376 IP (can also relieve)
    Plank 24-12, 2.26 ERA 346 IP
    Wyatt 22-10, 2.34 ERA 288 IP (can also relieve)
    Righetti 8-4, 2.05 ERA 105 IP (strike year)

    SWING MEN (SPOT STARTERS, PLATOON STARTERS, LONG RELIEVERS, RELIEVERS)
    Kramer 17-13, 2.49 ERA 257 IP
    Lanier 15-7, 1.90 ERA 213 IP
    Dean 7-1, 1.81 ERA, 74 IP

    SHORT RELIEVERS/CLOSERS (my 3 headed closer went 25-3 with 84 saves)

    Mesa 3-0, 1.17 ERA 64 IP 46 saves
    Hoerner 8-2 1.47 ERA 49 IP 17 saves
    Regan 14-1 1.62 ERA 118 IP 21 saves

    OVERALL TEAM DISTRIBUTION:
    deadball era 1900-1919 = 2
    1920-1929 = 3
    1930-1939 = 2
    1940-1949 = 5
    1950-1959 = 1
    1960-1969 = 4
    1970-1979 = 3
    1980-1989 = 1
    1990-1999 = 3
    2000-2011 = 1
    no era dominates the team and the team is represented throughout all eras
    15 NL players and 10 AL players

    INTANGIBLES/TEAM CHARACTER/LEADERS
    Mays, J. Robinson, B. Robinson, Berra, Fisk, Dean were all world class team leaders. CHipper Jones can be added to that list.



    PLAYERS CREDENTIALS

    1905 Eddie Plank
    Hall Of Famer Won 324 games and lost just 194 (.627) in stellar career. 8 Time 20 game winner. Career ERA of 2.35. 1.32 ERA in 7 World Series Games.
    Second in league in wins (24), second in league in IP - by 1 (346.1). 4th in league in WAR. Second in league in K (210). Led league in GS (41) and CG (35), 4 shutouts. 1.044 WHIP. Also hit .230 and had 5 RBI.

    1915 Pete Alexander
    Led league by wide margin in WAR (no MVP awarded then).
    Hall Of Famer, one of the earliest members. Won 373 games and lost just 202 in a stellar career.
    This is truly one of the handful of seasons that can be considered the greatest pitching season ever
    Led league in Wins (31), ERA (1.22), Win Pct. (.756), WHIP (0.842), H/9 (6.051), K/9 (5.764), IP (376.1), K (241), CG (36), Shutouts (12) , K/BB ratio (3.766), Adjusted ERA+ (225), Adjusted pitching runs, adjusted pitching wins. Second in games and games started. Also finished 7 games out of the bullpen. Allowed just 3 HR all year and hit one himself.

    1927 Paul Waner
    National League MVP
    Hall Of Famer. Member of 3,000 hit club, member of Baseball Hall Of Fame, 1927 was his best season. Led league in BA (.380), Games Played (155), PA (709), Runs (133 - tied), Hits (237), Total bases (342), Triples (18), RBI (131), 1B (198), Runs Created (149), Times On Base (300). Second in 2B (42), Extra Base hits (69), Adjusted Batting Runs, Adjusted Batting Wins, Offensive Win %. Scored 114 runs, walked 60 times and struck out just 14 times. Also an excellent RF.

    1928 Jim Bottomley
    National League MVP
    Hall Of Famer. Led NL in 3B (20), HR (31), Total bases (362), RBI (136), XBH (93). Second in slugging (by .04), Runs scored (123), Ops (1.030). Third in 2B (42). Also had 71 BB and 10 SB. .402 OB%. Third in Offensive WAR.

    1929 Kiki Cuyler
    Hall Of Famer. Hit .360 with 29 2B 7 3B 15 HR. Scored 111 runs and had 102 RBI. Stole 43 bases which led league by 10. 4 time league leader in stolen bases. Averaged 14 triples per 162 games in his career. A strong defensive OF with a good arm.

    1935 Augie Galan
    Consumate and versatile leadoff Hitter, a switch hitter who could get on base via hit or walk, had 2B 3B and HR power. excellent base stealer and base runner.
    Led league in runs (133), SB (22), and power-speed number. Had 87 BB (2nd in league). Hit .314 with 41 2B, 11 3B, 12 HR, 203 hits, 302 Total bases. Second in league in Times on base (294), 64 extra base hits. Drove in 73 runs (all from the leadoff spot) and in 748 PA and 646 AB had ZERO GIDP!

    1938 Dizzy Dean
    Hall Of Famer. One of the game's all time best personalities and ambassadors. After an incredible run with the Cardinals (30, 28 and 24 wins in 3 years), Dean came over to the Cubs and was very effective in a part time role, the same way he will be used here. Was probably the difference in a tight pennant race with the Pirates. Went 7-1 in 13 games with a dazzling 1.81 ERA. Allowed just 8 BB and 2 HR in 74.1 IP. Had 3 CG in 10 GS and also relieved 3 times. WHIP of 0.951 and ERA+ of 212 (along with 1.81 ERA), blew away the league leaders but of course his low IP did not qualify him.

    1940 Hank Greenberg
    American League MVP.
    Hall Of Famer. Had the single season record for RH single season home runs (58-tied) for half a century. Had some of the biggest Doubles seasons in history including this year - 1940 and 1934 (63). Famous for having 100 RBI at the AS break but was not named to to the ASG (Gehrig, Foxx- 1937?). His unselfish shift from 1B to LF allowed Rudy York to join the everyday lineup at 1B (.316, 33 HR, 134 RBI) and led the Tigers to the pennant. Led league In Offensive WAR. Second in WAR (position players by 0.1)
    Led league in HR (41), RBI (150), Extra base hits (99), SA (.670), OPS (1.103), Total bases (384), 2B (50), adjusted batting runs, adjusted batting wins, offensive win %, AB/HR (14.0). Second in
    OB % (.433), Runs (129), times on base (289)

    1941 Whit Wyatt
    Third in MVP voting. Led league in WAR, Pitchers WAR, Wins (22), WHIP (1.058), Shutouts (7), K/BB ratio, adjusted pitching runs, adjusted pitching wins. Second in ERA (2.34), H/9 (6.96), K (176), CG (23), adjusted ERA+ (159). Third in K/9, IP. Also had 5 2B, 3 HR and 22 RBI as a batter.

    1943 Max Lanier
    Versatile Left Hander went 15-7 with a 1.90 ERA in 213.1 Innings. Had a WAR of 4.6 and ERA+ of 179. Had 14 CG, 2 shutouts and 3 saves among his 32 appearances. Allowed just 3 HR in his 213.1 IP. Led league in ERA and HR/9 and finished third in K/9. Finished 4th in K and tied for 10th in Saves. First in ERA+ and second in adjusted pitching runs and adjusted pitching wins. Excellent post season pitcher who went 2-1 with a 1.71 ERA in 31.2 IP in his career including a 1.76 ERA in 15.1 IP in 1943.

    1944 Jack Kramer
    Won 17 games with a 2.49 ERA. 257 IP and 18 CG. Allowed just 3 HR in 257 IP. 5th in the league in ERA and IP and Wins. 4th in IP and K's. 2nd in HR/9. 4th in adjusted ERA+, adjusted pitching runs, adjusted pitching wins.

    1949 Jackie Robinson
    National League MVP.
    Hall Of Famer. As strong an "intangibles" resume as anyone in history. Broke the color barrier. Extremely competitive. A daring and feared base runner. The Heart of a Champion.
    Led league in WAR (9.3), second in offensive WAR (8.3), third in defensive WAR (1.8). Led league in BA (.342), Stolen bases (37). Sac Flies (17), Win Probability Added. Second in OB % (.432), Games (156), hits (203), RBI (124), HBP (8). Third in slugging % (.528), OPS (.960), Runs (122), 2B (38), 3B (12). Struck out just 27 times all year.

    1955 Yogi Berra
    American League MVP
    Hall of Famer. A Catcher who bats LH and a power hitting Catcher - luxuries on any team and here we get both in 1 player. Arguably the greatest C in ML history, 3 MVP awards. In a span of 7 years, finished 1st (3), 2nd (2), 3rd (1), 4th (1) in MVP voting. On the field leader for the winningest team in ML history (Yankees 1947-64).
    3rd in league in RBI, 4th in HR. Also walked 60 times. C and handler of staff that led league in ERA.

    1962 Willie Mays
    Gold Glove CF. Led National League by a wide margin in WAR, was clearly the best player in league but finished second in MVP voting as writers were mesmerized by a stolen base record.
    Hall Of Famer. One of the handful of players who have an argument as the greatest baseball player ever. A 5 tool player who could hit, hit with tremendous power, was a fast and clever base runner, an incomparable fielder with a cannon of an arm. Was the best player in the NL for over 10 years straight. A leader on the field.
    Led league in offensive WAR (tied 8.0), second in league in defensive WAR (by 0.1) - 2.1. Led league in HR (49), total bases (382) stolen base % (90%), AB / HR (12.7), win probability added. Second in runs (130 - tied), 2B (36), RBI (141), extra base hits (90), times on base (271)

    1965 Zoilo Versalles
    American League MVP. Gold Glove SS.
    Led Position Players in WAR, Offensive WAR, and Defensive WAR!
    Led league in runs (126), Total bases (308), Doubles (45), 3B (12), Extra Base Hits (76) and Power-Speed Number. Hit 19 HR from leadoff position. Second in Hits, Sac Flies, SB%. Third in SB (27) and runs created. Grounded into just 7 DP in 728 PA and 666 AB. Participated in 105 defensive double plays

    1966 Phil Regan
    The 1966 Dodgers are one of my favorite teams, especially their pitching staff which I consider one of the best of all time. 4 Starters made 154 starts in 162 games for them and the other 8 were by 1 pitcher. 3/4 of the starters were Hall Of Famers: Koufax, Drysdale and rookie Don Sutton. The 4th starter was not too bad: Claude Osteen. Their bullpen had some great arms include Ron Perranoski (not quite up to his usual high standard but 6 wins and 7 saves with a 3.18 ERA), Bob Miller who had 4 wins and 5 saves with a 2.77 ERA and my pick: Phil Regan who unleashed an impressive 14-1 record in 117 IP with a 1.62 ERA and a league leading 21 saves. Don't be fooled by the saves, the Dodgers had 52 CG almost 33% of their games. He had 4.9 WAR - a monster total for a reliever. He allowed just 85 hits, 24 BB and 6 HR in 117 IP.

    1968 Joe Hoerner
    Stalwart LH reliever went 8-2 with a 1.47 ERA and 17 saves. An amazing 8 wins in just 49 IP. Allowed just 34 hits, 12 BB and 2 HR in 49 IP. ERA+ of 194.

    1970 Bobby Tolan
    Speedy LH CF was just coming into his own with two very productive years once he became a starter with the Reds (after being a superb bench player for 2 pennant winning Cardinal teams) when an off season injury derailed his career. Consumate table setter who also had pop in his bat. Hit .316 with 16 HR 6 3B and 34 2B. Scored 116 runs and drove in 80 runs from #2 spot in batting order. Was a very good fielder and also an excellent small ball player: could bunt (9 SH), walked 62 times, received 8 HBP, had only 9 GIDP in 675 PA and led league with 57 stolen bases. Had HR in both the 3 game playoffs and 5 game WS in 1970.

    1971 Brooks Robinson
    Hall Of Famer. The kind of player you name your kid after. Placed 4th in MVP voting. Consensus best fielding 3B ever. In the middle of a string of 16 consecutive gold gloves. Belted 20 HR with 92 RBI. 6th in the league in WAR and 3rd in league in defensive WAR. 6th in league in RBI. Hit .333 with 8 RBI in 10 1971 post season games.

    1975 Carlton Fisk
    Hall OF Famer. Strong presence on offense, excellent C and handler of P and in clubhouse. Injuries limited his AB but when he played he was excellent and murdered LH pitching. Hit .331 with 10 HR and 52 RBI in just 79 games. Vs LH Pitching hit .389 and slugged .625 with a .432 OB%. .331 BA was highest of career. Was equally effective at Fenway or on road - hit .340 on road and exactly half of his XBH.

    1981 Dave Righetti
    Rookie Of The Year. Would go on and pitch a no-hitter vs the Red Sox on July 4 and be converted to a closer and set a ML record with 46 saves in one season and also had 256 lifetime saves. Currently longest tenured pitching coach in ML with SF Giants. Went 3-0 in post season games. In 1981 went 8-4 with a 2.05 ERA and just 1 HR allowed in 105.1 IP in a strike shortened year. Struck out 89 and allowed just 75 hits. Needed a few more IP and would have won ERA title (leader was 2.32). Led league in H/9 and K/9 and HR/9 and adjusted ERA+. Third in league in adjusted pitching runs, adjusted pitching wins.

    1995 Jose Mesa
    Fourth in MVP voting. Second In Cy Young Voting. Blew away the field with 46 saves (second closest was 37). Also had 3-0 W-L record. Had 1.13 ERA in league with 4.71 ERA for an ERA+ of 418. WHIP of 1.031 with just 17 BB 46 hits and 3 HR allowed in 64 IP. Also struck out 58 batters in 64 IP.

    1997 Omar Vizquel
    A strong candidate for best fielding SS ever, definitely in the top 5. 11 career Gold Gloves including this year. A speedy switch hitter who plays small ball very well. 404 career stolen bases including 43 this year, 5th in league this year. Scored 89 runs and led league with 16 SH.

    1999 Chipper Jones
    National League MVP.
    A certain Hall of Famer and of the best switch hitters of all time. #1 overall draft choice in 1990.
    Won the MVP vote by a wide margin. Hit .319 with 45 HR and 110 RBI with 126 walks. OB% of .441 and SA of .663. In a league full of known admitted and suspected users, led League in offensive WAR, runs created, adjusted batting runs, adjusted batting wins. 4th in OB%, 4th in SA, 3rd in OPS. 3rd in HR (ped users were #1-2), 3rd in walks.

    2000 Edgardo Alfonso
    Memebr of perhaps greatest offensive/defensive IF in history (1999 Mets). In 2000, hit .324 with 25 HR 40 2B and 94 RBI. Had 95 BB and scored 109 runs. OB% = .425, SA = .542. Excellent defensive 2B. Made just 10 errors in 688 chances. 6th in offensive WAR and 6th in WAR Position players. 5th in OB%.

    POSSIBLE LINEUP #1 (balanced)
    1. Galan LF (SH)
    2. Robinson 2B (RH)
    3. Waner RF (LH)
    4. Greenberg DH (RH)
    5. Jones 3B (SH)
    6, Mays CF (RH)
    7. Bottomley 1B (LH)
    8. Versalles SS (RH)
    9. Berra C (LH)

    POSSIBLE LINEUP #2 (balanced)
    1. Galan LF (SH)
    2. Waner RF (LH)
    3. Mays CF (RH)
    4. Jones 3B (SH)
    5. Greenberg DH (RH)
    6, Bottomley 1B (LH)
    7. Robinson 2B (RH)
    8. Berra C (LH)
    9. Versalles SS (RH)

    PLATOON HITTERS (RH) AVAILABLE VS LHP
    C - Fisk
    2B - J. Robinson, Alfonso
    SS - Versalles, Vizquel
    3B - Jones, B. Robinson
    LF - Greenberg, Galan
    CF - Mays
    RF - Cuyler

    PLATOON HITTERS (LH) AVAILABLE VS RHP
    C - Berra
    1B - Bottomley
    SS - Vizquel
    3B - Jones
    LF - Galan
    CF - Tolan
    RF - Waner
    Last edited by 9RoyHobbsRF; 10-20-2012, 09:10 AM.
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    • #3
      THUNDER BAY PEREGRINES

      Location: Ontario, Canada
      Home Ballpark: Jeff Heath Fieldhouse (38,500 capacity - Retractable Roof)
      Field Surface: Natural Grass
      Field Dimensions: LF Foul Pole (335'), LF Power Alley (375'), CF (415'), RF Power Alley (350'), RF Foul Pole (325')
      Field Fences: LF Foul Pole to CF (12'), RF Power Alley to RF Foul Pole (18')
      Team Colors: Charcoal, White and Burly Wood

      Manager: Terry Puhl
      Bench Coach: Rob Ducey
      Pitching Coach: Ferguson Jenkins
      Hitting Coach: Larry Walker


      Active Hitters
      Code:
      POS      Player Name       Year   GP  Runs  Hits  2B  3B  HR  RBI  SB   BB   AVG   OBP   SLG  OPS+   TB   WAR               Notes
      .
      C        Jorge Posada      2003  142    83   135  24   0  30  101   2   93  .281  .405  .518  144   249   5.6 | All-Star, MVP-3, Silver Slugger
      1B       Frank Chance      1906  136   103*  151  24  10   3   71  57*  70  .319  .419  .434  158   204   7.1 |
      2B       Joe Morgan        1972  149   122*  161  23   4  16   73  58  115* .292  .417* .435  149   240   9.3 | All-Star, MVP-4
      3B       Home Run Baker    1914  150    84   182  23  10   9*  89  19   53  .319  .380  .442  151   252   6.8 |
      SS       Robin Yount       1982  156   129   210* 46* 12  29  114  14   54  .331  .379  .578* 166   367* 10.4 | All-Star, MVP-1, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger
      LF       Carl Yastrzemski  1967  161   112*  189* 31   4  44* 121* 10   91  .326* .418* .622* 193*  360* 12.0 | All-Star, MVP-1, Triple Crown, Gold Glove
      CF       Duke Snider       1953  153   132*  198  38   4  42  126  16   82  .336  .419  .627* 165   370   9.1 | All-Star, MVP-3
      RF       Jose Canseco      1988  158   120   187  34   0  42* 124* 40   78  .307  .391  .569* 170*  347   7.1 | All-Star, MVP-1, Silver Slugger
      
      .
      C        Wally Schang      1921  134    77   134  30   5   6   55   7   78  .316  .428  .453  123   192   4.1 |
      1B       Boog Powell       1969  152    83   162  25   0  37  121   1   72  .304  .383  .559  160   298   5.4 | All-Star, MVP-2
      2B/3B    Frankie Frisch    1923  151   116   223* 32  10  12  111  29   46  .348  .395  .485  131   311*  7.0 |  
      SS       Carlos Guillen    2006  153   100   174  41   5  19   85  20   71  .320  .400  .519  136   282   5.6 |
      LF       Kevin Mitchell    1989  154   100   158  34   6  47* 125*  3   87  .291  .388  .635* 192*  345*  7.7 | All-Star, MVP-1, Silver Slugger  
      RF/LF/1B Monte Irvin       1951  151    94   174  19  11  24  121* 12   89  .312  .415  .514  147   287   6.6 | MVP-3
      CF/1B    Solly Hofman      1910  136    83   155  24  16   3   86  29   65  .325  .406  .461  154   220   5.1 |
      
      * - League Leader
      Active Pitchers
      Code:
      PIT  Pitcher Name       Year   GS   CG   GF    ERA    W  SV    IP    SO    WHIP   ERA+  SO/9  SO/BB  WAR            Notes
      .
      SP   Tom Seaver (R)     1973   36   18*   0   2.08*  19   0   290   251*  0.976*  175*  7.8*  3.92* 10.3 | All-Star, CYA-1, MVP-8
      SP   Hippo Vaughn (L)   1918   33*  27    2   1.74*  22*  0   290*  148*  1.006*  159*  4.6*  1.95   7.4 | Triple Crown
      SP   Bucky Walters (R)  1939   36*  31*   2   2.29*  27*  0   319   137*  1.125*  170*  3.9   1.26   7.9 | All-Star, MVP-1, Triple Crown
      SP   Andy Pettitte (L)  2005   33    0    0   2.39   17   0   221   171   1.030   177   6.9   4.17   6.5 | CYA-5
      SP   Kevin Millwood (R) 1999   33    2    0   2.68   18   0   228   205   0.996*  167   8.1   3.47   5.9 | All-Star, CYA-3
      SW   Don Mossi (L)      1954    5    2   18   1.94    6   7    93    55   1.022   191   5.3   1.41   3.3 |
      RP   Tim Stoddard (R)   1979    0    0   15   1.71    3   1    58    47   1.086   237   7.3   2.47   2.1 |
      RP   Darren O'Day (R)   2010    0    0   14   2.03    6   2    62    45   0.887   221   6.5   3.75   2.3 |
      CL   Al Holland (L)     1983    0    0   53   2.26    8  25    92   100   1.015   160   9.8   3.33   3.2 | CYA-6, MVP-9
      CL   Mike Marshall (R)  1974    0    0   83*  2.42   15  21*  208   143   1.186   141   6.2   2.55   2.9 | All-Star, CYA-1, MVP-3
      
      * - League Leader
      Batting Splits
      Code:
                                             vs LHP                vs RHP
      POS         Name          BATS    AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS+      AVG/OBP/SLG/OPS+
      
      C        Jorge Posada      SH    .295/.403/.541/140    .276/.405/.510/134
      C        Wally Schang      SH    .306/.398/.418/117    .319/.441/.463/142
      1B       Frank Chance      RH             NA                    NA
      1B       Boog Powell       LH    .292/.355/.536/170    .310/.395/.570/162
      2B       Joe Morgan        LH    .316/.415/.401/153    .279/.417/.452/148
      2B/3B    Frankie Frisch    SH    .396/.443/.527/160    .328/.377/.468/129
      3B       Frank Baker       LH             NA                    NA
      SS       Robin Yount       RH    .357/.421/.618/182    .319/.358/.560/162
      SS       Carlos Guillen    SH    .291/.354/.473/109    .332/.414/.538/137
      LF       Carl Yastrzemski  LH    .338/.397/.500/192    .323/.424/.657/210
      LF       Kevin Mitchell    RH    .304/.426/.725/214    .285/.369/.594/185
      CF       Duke Snider       LH    .258/.333/.438/137    .349/.434/.661/175
      CF       Solly Hofman      RH             NA                    NA
      RF       Jose Canseco      RH    .340/.412/.620/189    .296/.384/.552/175
      RF/LF/1B Monte Irvin       RH    .299/.430/.465/142    .316/.409/.538/173
      Projected Lineups (w/ Splits)
      Code:
      Lineup Vs LHPs
      
      2B Morgan LH    .316/.415/.401
      3B Frisch SH    .396/.443/.527
      RF Canseco RH   .340/.412/.620
      DH Mitchell RH  .304/.426/.725
      LF Yaz LH       .338/.397/.500
      SS Yount RH     .357/.421/.618
      1B Chance RH   
      C Posada SH     .295/.403/.541
      CF Hofman RH
      
      Lineup Vs RHPs
      
      2B Morgan LH    .279/.417/.452
      SS Guillen SH   .332/.414/.538
      LF Yaz LH       .323/.424/.657
      CF Snider LH    .349/.434/.661
      DH Mitchell RH  .285/.369/.594
      1B Powell LH    .310/.395/.570
      RF Irvin RH     .316/.409/.538
      3B Baker LH
      C Schang SH     .319/.441/.463
      Last edited by Ben Grimm; 10-18-2012, 03:34 PM.
      "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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      • #4
        The Bridesmaids

        Roster of Position Players

        1931 Jimmie Foxx -----BA-.291 HR-30 RBI-120 - 1B (112 games) - 3B (26 games)
        1934 Billy Rogell-------BA-.296 HR-3 RBI-100 - SS (154 games)
        1939 Ernie Lombardi---BA-.287 HR-20 RBI-85 - C (120 games)
        1958 Hank Aaron-------BA-.326 HR-30 RBI-95 - RF (119 games) - CF (39 games)
        1961 Frank Robinson---BA-.323 HR-37 RBI-124 - RF (92 games) - LF (59 games)
        1965 Harmon Killebrew-BA-.269 HR-25 RBI-75 - 1B (72 games) - 3B (44 games)
        1981 Reggie Jackson---BA-.237 HR-15 RBI-54 - RF (61 games)
        1982 Ted Simmons-----BA-.269 HR-23 RBI-97 - C (121 games)
        1983 Mike Schmidt-----BA-.255 HR-40 RBI-109 - 3B (153 games
        1985 Tommy Herr------BA-.302 HR-8 RBI-110 - 2B (158 games)
        1990 Mark McGwire----BA-.235 HR-39 RBI-108 - 1B (154 games)
        1995 Manny Ramirez--BA-.308 HR-31 RBI-107 - RF (131 games)
        1996 Marquis Grissom-BA-.308 HR-23 RBI-74 - CF (158 games)
        1997 Jim Thome-------BA-.286 HR-40 RBI-102 - 1B (145 games)
        2002 Barry Bonds------BA-.370 HR-46 RBI-110 - LF (135 games)

        Position starters against left handed starting pitchers

        C - Ted Simmons (bats right)
        1B - Mark Mcgwire (bats right)
        2B - Tommy Herr (bats right)
        3B - Mike Schmidt (bats right)
        SS - Billy Rogell (bats right)
        LF - Frank Robinson (bats right)
        CF - Hank Aaron (bats right)
        RF - Manny Ramirez (bats right)
        DH - Harmon Killebrew (bats right)

        Position starters against right handed starting pitchers

        C - Ted Simmons (bats left)
        1B - Jim Thome (bats left)
        2B - Tommy Herr (bats left)
        3B - Mike Schmidt (bats right)
        SS - Billy Rogell (bats left)
        LF - Barry Bonds (bats left)
        CF - Hank Aaron (bats right)
        RF - Reggie Jackson (bats left)
        DH - Jimmie Foxx (bats right)

        Backup centerfielder - Marquis Grissom (bats right)
        Backup catcher - Ernie Lombardi (bats right)

        Roster of Pitchers

        1903 Sam Leever----W/L 25-7 ERA-2.06 - SP (34 games) - RP (2 games)
        1907 Bill Donovan---W/L 25-4 ERA-2.19 - SP (28 games) - RP (4 games)
        1909 George Mullin--W/L 29-8 ERA-2.22 - SP (35 games) - RP (5 games)
        1910 King Cole-------W/L 20-4 ERA-1.80 - SP (29 games) - RP (4 games)
        1911 Rube Marquard-W/L 24-7 ERA-2.50 - SP (33 games) - RP (12 games)
        1917 Ferdie Schupp--W/L 21-7 ERA-1.95 - SP (32 games) - RP (4 games)
        1919 Eddie Cicotte---W/L 29-7 ERA-1.82 - SP (35 games) - RP (5 games)
        1952 Joe Balck-------W/L 15-4 ERA-2.15 - SP (2 games) - RP (54 games)
        1971 Dave McNally--W/L 21-5 ERA-2.89 - SP (30 games)
        1977 Tommy John---W/L 20-7 ERA-2.78 - SP (31 games)

        Starting pitcher rotation

        Eddie Cicotte (right handed)
        Dave McNally (left handed)
        George Mullin (right handed)
        Tommy John (left handed)
        Bill Donovan (right handed)

        Relief Pitchers

        Sam Leever (right handed)
        Rube Marquard (left handed)
        King Cole (right handed)
        Ferdie Schupp (left handed)

        Closer

        Joe Black (right handed)
        Last edited by John Shoemaker; 10-18-2012, 03:51 PM.

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        • #5
          SouthSide Hitmen VI.
          Location-Chicago, Illinois
          Stadium-Comiskey Park
          General Manager-Bill Veeck
          Manager-Tony LaRussa
          Hitting Coach-Charlie Lau
          Pitching Coach-Don Cooper

          Position Starters
          C1. Johnny Bench-1972 Cincinnati Reds (R)
          87runs 145hits 22doubles 2triples 40hr 125rbi 6sb 270avg 379obp 541slg 166ops+ 8.5war
          1B. Will Clark-1989 SanFrancisco Giants (L)
          104runs 196hits 38doubles 9triples 23hr 111rbi 8sb 333avg 407obp 546slg 175ops+ 8.5war
          2B. Joe Gordon-1942 NewYork Yankees (R)
          88runs 173hits 29doubles 4triples 18hr 103rbi 12sb 322avg 409obp 491slg 154ops+ 7.8war
          SS. Honus Wagner-1903 Pittsburgh Pirates (R)
          97runs 182hits 30doubles 19triples 5hr 101rbi 46sb 355avg 414obp 518slg 160ops+ 7.4war
          3B. Wade Boggs-1986 Boston Redsox (L)
          107runs 207hits 47doubles 2triples 8hr 71rbi 0sb 357avg 453obp 486slg 157ops+ 7.9war
          LF. Rickey Henderson-1990 Oakland Athletics (R)
          119runs 159hits 33doubles 3triples 28hr 61rbi 65sb 325avg 439obp 577slg 189ops+ 9.8war
          CF. Pete Reiser-1941 Brooklyn Dodgers (L)
          117runs 184hits 39doubles 17triples 14hr 76rbi 4sb 343avg 406obp 558slg 164ops+ 7.4war
          RF. Mel Ott-1936 NewYork Giants (L)
          120runs 175hits 28doubles 6triples 33hr 135rbi 6sb 328avg 448obp 588slg 177ops+ 7.4war
          DH. Hack Wilson-1929 Chicago Cubs (R)
          135runs 198hits 30doubles 5triples 39hr 159rbi 3sb 345avg 425obp 618slg 155ops+ 6.0war
          Bench
          C2. Thurman Munson-1976 NewYork Yankees (R)
          79runs 186hits 27doubles 1 triple 17hr 105rbi 14sb 302avg 337obp 432slg 126ops+ 5.0war
          1B. Phil Cavarretta-1945 Chicago Cubs (L)
          94runs 177hits 34doubles 10triples 6hr 97rbi 5sb 355avg 449obp 500slg 166ops+ 5.9war
          2B. Billy Herman-1938 Chicago Cubs (R)
          86runs 173hits 34doubles 7triples 1hr 56rbi 3sb 277avg 342obp 359slg 90ops+ 3.3war
          3B. Bob Elliot-1948 Boston Braves (R)
          99runs 153hits 24doubles 5triples 23hr 100rbi 6sb 283avg 423obp 474slg 143ops+ 6.3war
          OF. Shoeless Joe Jackson-1919 Chicago Whitesox (L)
          79runs 181hits 31doubles 14triples 7hr 96rbi 9sb 351avg 422obp 506slg 159ops+ 5.6war
          OF. Sam Rice-1925 Washington Senators (L)
          111runs 227hits 31doubles 13triples 1hr 87rbi 26sb 350avg 388obp 442slg 112ops+ 4.2war
          Pitching Staff
          SP1.) Lefty Grove-1931 Philadelphia Athletics (L)
          31-4w/l 2.06era 27cg 4sho 288ip 175k 1.077whip 217era+ 9.5war
          SP2.) John Tudor-1985 St.Louis Cardinals (L)
          21-8w/l 1.93era 14cg 10sho 275ip 169k 0.938whip 185era+ 7.8war
          SP3.) Kevin Brown-1998 SanDiego Padres (R)
          18-7w/l 2.38era 7cg 3sho 257ip 257k 1.066whip 164era+ 8.3war
          SP4.) John Denny-1983 Philadelphia Phillies (R)
          19-6w/l 2.37era 7cg 1sho 242ip 139k 1.162whip 152era+ 7.1war
          SP5.) Jack Pfiester-1906 Chicago Cubs (L)
          20-8w/l 1.51era 20cg 4sho 250ip 153k 0.941whip 174era+ 4.5war

          Relief Pitchers
          1.) Mariano Rivera-2003 NewYork Yankees (R)
          5-2w/l 1.66era 40saves 70ip 63k 1.005whip 267era+ 3.5war
          2.) Eddie Watt-1969 Baltimore Orioles (R)
          5-2w/l 1.65era 16saves 71ip 46k 1.056whip 217era+ 1.7war
          3.) Don Gullett-1970 Cincinnati Reds (L)
          5-2w/l 2.43era 6saves 77ip 76k1.194whip 172era+ 2.3war
          4.) Bob Welch-1978 Los Angeles Dodgers (R)
          7-4w/l 2.02era 3saves 111ip 66k 1.060whip 174era+ 3.3war
          5.) Craig Lefferts-1984 San Diego Padres (L)
          3-4 2.13era 10saves 105ip 56k 1.060whip 169era+ 2.4war

          Primary Lineup
          1.) Rickey Henderson All-Star, MVP-1, SilverSlugger
          2.) Wade Boggs All-Star, MVP-7, SilverSlugger
          3.) Will Clark All-Star, MVP-2, SilverSlugger
          4.) Mel Ott All-Star, MVP-6
          5.) Johnny Bench All-Star, MVP-1, GoldGlove
          6.) Hack Wilson MVP-8
          7.) Honus Wagner
          8.) Joe Gordon All-Star, MVP-1
          9.) Pete Reiser All-Star, MVP-2
          Last edited by chicagowhitesox1173; 10-17-2012, 11:44 PM.
          "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

          "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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          • #6
            Chicago, it is time for a new name.

            New England Valley Walkers (Springfield, MA)
            C- 1935 Gabby Hartnett (R)
            116 G, 461 PA, 142 hits, 32 doubles, 6 triples, 13 homers, 91 RBI, 41 BB, 1 SB, .344/.404/.545, 151 OPS+, 4.6 WAR
            1B- 1941 Dolph Camilli (L)
            149 G, 641 PA, 151 hits, 29 doubles, 6 triples, 34 homers, 120 RBI, 104 BB, 3 SB, .285/.407/.556, 164 OPS+, 6.7 WAR
            2B- 1914 Eddie Collins (L)
            152 G, 657 PA, 181 hits, 23 doubles, 14 triples, 2 homers, 85 RBI, 97 BB, 58 SB, .344/.452/.452, 176 OPS+, 8.6 WAR
            3B- 2004 Scott Rolen (R)
            142 G, 593 PA, 157 hits, 32 doubles, 4 triples, 34 homers, 124 RBI, 72 BB, 4 SB, .314/.409/.598, 158 OPS+, 8.9 WAR
            SS- 1933 Joe Cronin (R)
            152 G, 697 PA, 186 hits, 45 doubles, 11 triples, 5 homers, 118 RBI, 5 SB, 87 BB, .309/.398/.405, 125 OPS+, 7.1 WAR
            LF- 1975 Fred Lynn (L; OF)
            145 G, 605 PA, 175 hits, 47 doubles,7 triples, 21 homers, 105 RBI, 10 SB, 62 BB, .331/.401/.566, 162 OPS+, 7.1 WAR
            CF- 1974 Jim Wynn (R; OF)
            150 G, 656 PA, 145 hits, 17 doubles, 4 triples, 32 homers, 108 RBI, 18 SB, 108 BB, .271/.387/.497, 151 OPS+, 7.6 WAR
            RF- 1909 Ty Cobb (L; LF)
            156 G, 651 PA, 216 hits, 33 doubles, 10 triples, 9 homers, 107 RBI, 76 SB, 48 BB, .377/4.31/.517, 193 OPS+, 9.5 WAR
            DH- 2002 Jeff Kent (R; 2B)
            152 G, 682 PA, 195 hits, 42 doubles, 2 triples, 37 homers, 108 RBI, 5 SB, 52 BB, .313/.368/.565, 147 OPS+, 6.9 WAR

            C- 1963 Elston Howard (R)
            135 G, 531 PA 140 hits, 21 doubles, 6 triples, 28 homers, 85 RBI, 0 SB, 35 BB, .287/.342/.528, 141 OPS+, 5.0WAR
            IF- 1957 Gil McDougald (R; 2B/SS)
            141 G, 625 PA, 156 hits, 25 doubles, 9 triples, 13 homers, 62 RBI, 2 SB, 59 BB, .289/.362/.462, 120 OPS+, 5.6 WAR
            IF- 1958 Eddie Mathews (L; 3B)
            149 G, 649 PA, 137 hits, 18 doubles, 1 triple, 31 homers, 77 RBI, 5 SB, 85 BB, .251/.349/.458, 120 OPS+, 6.2 WAR
            IF- 1979 Eddie Murray (S; 1B)
            159 G, 687 PA, 179 hits, 30 doubles, 2 triples, 25 homers, 99 RBI, 10 SB, 72 BB, .295/.369/.475, 130 OPS+, 4.6 WAR
            OF- 1903 Fred Clarke (L; LF)
            104 G, 486 PA, 150 hits, 32 doubles, 15 triples, 5 homers, 70 RBI, 21 SB, 41 BB, .351/.414/.532, 164 OPS+, 4.2 WAR
            OF- 1988 Dave Henderson (R; OF)
            146 G, 570 PA, 154 hits, 38 doubles, 1 triple, 24 homers, 94 RBI, 2 SB, 47 BB, .304/.363/.525, 149 OPS+, 5.1 WAR

            SP- 1906 Mordecai Brown (R)
            26-6 (.813), 1.04 ERA, 27 CG, 9 SHO, 277.1 IP, 144 K, 0.934 WHIP, 253 ERA+, 6.9 WAR
            SP- 1964 Whitey Ford (L)
            17-6 (.739), 2.13 ERA, 12 CG, 8 SHO, 244.2 IP, 172 K, 1.099 WHIP, 170 ERA+, 6.4 WAR
            SP- 1938 Bill Lee (R)
            22-9 (.710), 2.66 ERA, 19 CG, 9 SHO, 291.0 IP, 121 K, 1.220 WHIP, 144 ERA+, 7.5 WAR
            SP- 1949 Preacher Roe (L)
            15-6 (.714), 2.79 ERA, 13 CG, 3 SHO, 212.2 IP, 109 K, 1.152 WHIP, 148 ERA+, 5.6 WAR
            SP- 1947 Ralph Branca (R)
            21-12 (.636), 2.67 ERA, 15 CG, 4 SHO, 280.0 IP, 148 K, 1.246 WHIP, 154 ERA+, 6.3 WAR

            RP- 1972 Clay Carroll (R)
            2.25 ERA, 65 G, 54 GF, 37 SV, 96.0 IP, 51 K, 1.260 WHIP, 144 ERA+, 1.4 WAR, 4.8 WPA, 1.2 WPA/LI
            RP-1969 Mike Cuellar (L)
            23-11 (.676), 2.38 ERA, 18 CG, 5 SHO, 290.2 IP, 182 K, 1.005 WHIP, 149 ERA+, 3.9 WAR
            RP- 2001 Mike Stanton (L)
            2.58 ERA, 76 G, 16 GF, 0 SV, 80.1 IP, 78 K, 1.357 WHIP, 175 ERA+, 2.6 WAR, 2.5 WPA, 1.0 WPA/LI
            RP- 2008 Grant Balfour (R)
            1.54 ERA, 51 G, 12 GF, 4 SV, 58.1 IP, 82 K, 0.891 WHIP, 287 ERA+, 2.8 WAR, 2.9 WPA, 1.8 WPA/LI
            CP- 1990 Dennis Eckersley (R)
            0.61 ERA, 63 G, 61 GF, 48 SV, 73.1 IP, 73 K, 0.614 WHIP, 603 ERA+, 3.2 WAR, 5.2 WPA, 3.1 WPA/LI

            Lineup vs. Righties
            Collins (L)
            Cronin (R)
            Cobb (L)
            Camilli (L)
            Kent (R)
            Rolen (R)
            Clarke (L)
            Hartnett (R)
            Wynn (R)

            vs. Lefties
            Collins (L)
            Cronin (R)
            Rolen (R 1.210 OPS vs. LHP)
            Cobb (L)
            Kent (R)
            Hartnett (R)
            Camilli (L)
            Clarke (L)
            Wynn (R)

            --Every position has a backup and then some. My offense is the most versatile in handedness and the blend of power, contact, on-base ability, speed, fielding, and skill. I chose my players not to bulk up on WAR or the like. Each player is carefully selected to construct an extremely balanced yet talented team that would win any matchup. The infield sees the likes of the blocking, steal-killer Gabby Hartnett had 56% caught stealing rate over 20 years, 12% more than league average during that time (which is 118 baserunners). Dolph Camilli is a very able body in receiving the throws from the storied defenses of Collins, Cronin, and Rolen. The outfield is filled with gold-glover Fred Lynn, the 5-tool Georgia Peach, and the Toy Cannon, who is equipped with a magnificent arm. They could be switched around according to their niches.

            Overall, the offense is balanced for support. Walking machine Collins leads off for another great walker, Cronin, who also has a great blend of power and contact. Depending on the starter, a huge array of fearful names stands behind them. If one guy goes down, another comes up; my bench has MVP Elston Howard, another great fielder. The rest all had great seasons (composite 139 OPS+) and aren't starting only because the others fared better (which tells you how strong my bench is!). Each is an abled fielder with power (Murray, Mathews), contact (Henderson), or both (Clarke) to provide support off the bench.

            The rotation is led by a guy who pitched an all-time season. Mordecai Brown allowed one earned run for every 9 IP, deadball or not. The others all had their best years in those seasons, leading the league in man categories. All pitched a lot of innings, especially Bill Lee with a league-leading 291.0 in a year where individual pitchers struggled (only 3 pitchers had ERA+ over 130 and two had WAR over 5.0, which Lee led with 7.5). These guys are extremely durable and can pitch on three or two days rest.

            Then comes my bullpen in the extremely slim chance my starters fail. Or there's the option of having my starters dominate for seven innings and have one or two guys finish. Mike Cuellar is always there as a spot starter. Don't let his WAR fool you; he tossed nearly 300 innings in the first year of the lowered mound/reduced strike zone. Virtually every lineup fell before him. My actual relievers are shut-down material. Carroll led the league in saves and kept a huge WPA. He can go for the two or three inning save if needed. Balfour and Stanton are there for the times I need a shut-down inning. Do I even need to mention Eckersley with the greatest season a closer ever had? Of all the bullpens, none come close to mine
            Last edited by Tyrus4189Cobb; 10-20-2012, 06:26 PM.
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            • #7
              Gotham Knights
              Code:
              	 Name		YR	 BA/ OB/ SLG	HR	OPS+	WAR	Bats	POS
              1.	Stan Musial	1943	.357/.425/.562	  13	177	10.5	L	RF (or LF)	20 triples
              2.	Rogers Hornsby	1929	.380/.459/.679	  39	178	11.9	R	2B
              3.	Ted Williams	1946	.342/.497/.667	  38	215	12.4	L	LF
              4.	Roy Campanella	1953	.312/.395/.611	  41	154	8.5	R	C
              5.	Jim Edmonds	2004	.301/.418/.643	  42	171	8.2	L	CF
              6.	Reggie Smith	1977	.307/.427/.576	  32	168	6.8	S	RF/DH
              7.	Tony Perez	1970	.317/.401/.589	  40	158	9.0	R	3B
              8.	Lou Gehrig	1926	.313/.420/.549	  16	152	7.7	L	1B		20 triples
              9.	Pee Wee Reese	1949	.279/.396/.410	  16	113	7.3	R	SS
              Code:
              	Name		YR	ERA	ERA+	WHIP	IP	WAR
              SP	Roger Clemons	1986	2.48	169	0.969	254	8.0	(no steroids)
              SP	John Smoltz	1996	2.94	149	1.001	253	8.4
              SP	Bobo Newsom	1940	2.83	168	1.269	264	6.4	
              SP	Lefty Tyler	1918	2.00	138	1.058	269	5.6
              SP	Mike Mussina	2001	3.15	143	1.067	228	7.1
              Code:
              	Name		YR	ERA	ERA+	WHIP	IP	Saves
              RP	Rich Gossage	1981*	0.77	465	0.771	46	20
              RP	Brad Lidge	2005	2.29	185	1.146	70	42
              RP	Sherry Smith	1920	1.85	173	1.181	136	3	L
              RP	Manuel Corpas	2007	2.08	232	1.064	78	19
              RP	Darren Oliver	210	2.29	194	1.137	51	1	L
              * 1981 was a strike shortened season

              Code:
              	 Name		Yr	 BA/ OB/ SLG	HR	OPS+	WAR	Bats	POS
              BN	Vern Stephens	1944	.293/.365/.462	  20	129	5.7	R	SS
              BN	Chief Myers	1912	.358/.441/.477	  6	147	5.0	C	L
              BN	Joe DiMaggio	1942	.305/.376/.498	  21	147	7.1	R	CF
              BN	Nellie Fox	1959	.306/.380/.389	  2	113	6.8	L	2B
              BN	Lou Brock	1968	.279/.328/.418	  6	124	6.1	L	LF	62 SB
              BN	Greg Vaughn	1998	.272/.363/.597	  50	156	6.1	R	LF
              Notes
              We all know that our teams are filled with some of the best seasons from some of the best players all time. All of our teams are filled with MVPs, or guys who led their league in this, that, or the other. I want to point out what may be a bit less obvious about my team.

              My team is very well rounded. I have good defense at 1B, 2B, SS, C, RF, and CF, and none of my players are bad at fielding. My pitching rotation is excellent. My bullpen is stellar, and can go the distance even against stacked lineups.

              But the obvious advantage my team has is in the hitting. My lineup is unrelenting. I crush the ball from both sides of the plate. I have 4 lefties, 4 righties, and a switch hitter. I have the greatest RH hitter of all time, and someone who's arguably the 2nd greatest LH hitter ever. Only two guys in my lineup have under a .400 OB, and that only by the slimmest of margins. Of course, Ted Williams had almost a .500 OB (I STILL don't know how I was able to pick him so late in the 2nd round...). Only three guys had less than 30 HR, but two of those 3 hit 20 triples each, so I think I can forgive them. And none of them has been linked with steroid use.

              Some of the other teams have a bit better of a rotation. But are they better from top to bottom? Let's say your #1 is better than my #1. It then comes down to whether your edge in pitching outweighs my big advantage in hitting. So you might have an edge, but then again, I might. But what about game 2? Because if my #2 is just as good as your #2, then suddenly my lineup becomes the deciding factor. And that matchup favors me. The same with #3, right on down the line. Your ace pitcher has to sit. But my lineup is there day after day.

              There's also the fact that a pitcher won't be as valuable in this as they were in real life - they can't be. They'll be facing lineups stacked with the best hitters of all time, which means they'll give up more hits and walks. Which means even if it will take them more pitches to get 3 outs each inning. They'll still be more effective than their peers at keeping runners off the bases, but throwing more pitches means they'll tire more quickly. And the faster starting pitchers tire out, the faster other teams lose any small advantage they have against me, because my bullpen can match theirs.

              My bench does everything I need it to. I continue my offensive barrage from both sides of the plate and have excellent defensive replacements. Lou Brock gives me a top tier pinch runner, and Greg Vaughn actually hit more homers than anyone in my starting lineup



              Analysis of other teams
              Honolulu Surfers – Very solid at every aspect of the game. However on offense, he lacks a super elite bat such as Ruth, Bonds, Hornsby, or Ted Williams. He also has a couple batters at the bottom of his lineup that are good, but not particularly good for this league.

              So the question is, can his pitching and defense make up for it? Alexander is possibly the best pitcher in this draft. However, Plank is a huge drop off. Most of Plank’s value is from having a ton of IP, rather than providing higher quality innings. He has some absolutely amazing defenders, but for many of them, playing them requires punting a lot of offensive production.

              (PS - there's no conceivable way they have the best LFer. And a lot of their raw numbers are skewed by having hitters from hitters eras [1920, 1990's] and pitchers from pitcher eras [deadball era, mid 1960's])

              Thunder Bay Peregrines – Possibly the most balanced team in the league. I’d be happy to have just about any player on his roster on my team. But he doesn’t have any real standouts either. Yount is quite good, but a lot of his value is because a lot of the other shortstops don’t qualify. Normally, he’d never get taken in the first round. I’m not saying he’s a bad pick, but his value is dependent on your opponents getting stuck with a much worse shortstop for the pick they had to use to get him. Any team that managed to avoid doing that would have a traditional first round pick (or two, in my team’s case :cap, and still get the same value from their shortstop

              The Bridesmaids – I’d say this is the 2nd best hitting team in the league, behind my own. If you ignore steroids, his hitters might match mine, but when you account for them, I have a clear edge. But once again, his pitching is lacking. They have great raw numbers, but most of them pitched during the deadball era. When you account for that, many of them are underwhelming.

              Southside Hitmen VI – Excellent team all around. He has a bit less power than some other teams, but he’s not weak there. One of the biggest areas his team could improve is his bench. A couple of them are pretty weak, but also he has a lot less platoon options than other teams. Also, Kevin Brown used steroids

              New England Valley Walkers – Very good team, but lacking power compared to the rest of the league. It’s hard to rate someone like Cobb, who was obviously an amazing hitter, and who led the league in HRs, but it was in the deadball era, so he only had 9. But even looking past that, nobody on his team hit 40 in a season; in fact, only one player hit 35. Cronin and Collins both hit 5 or less.

              (BigRon’s team) – One or two key mistakes are the only thing keeping his team from being on the short list for best in league, IMO. As he said, he panicked when I took Campanella, and took Cochrane too soon (I think he made one other mistake, but I can’t remember it, so I won’t hold it against him).

              North Country Notechis – Very few teams can match his best players. However, his players are more feast or famine. A large number of them are either great hitters and poor fielders, or great fielders and poor hitters. Most teams have that to some extent, but it can create problems when you have so many players like that. It creates holes in your lineup and your defense that can be exploited.
              Last edited by Wade8813; 10-22-2012, 04:57 PM.
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              • #8
                BigRon's Beleagured Bums

                1. Mickey Mantle 1957 NY Yankees BB CF 365*/512*/665 210+ 34 HR 11.1* WAR MVP
                2. Sandy Koufax 1966 LA Dodgers LHP 27*-9 1.73* 323*IP 317*K 190+* 10.0* PWAR CYA
                3. Mickey Cochrane 1931 Philadelphia Athletics BL C 349/423/553 149+ 17 HR 5.2 WAR
                4. Carl Hubbell 1936 NY Giants LHP 26-6 2.13* 304IP 123K 169+* 9.3* PWAR MVP
                5. Charlie Gehringer 1934 Detroit Tigers BL 2B 356/450/517 149+ 11 HR 8.1 WAR
                6. Christy Mathewson 1911 NY Giants RHP 26-13 1.99* 307IP 141K 167+* 7.0 PWAR
                7. Roger Maris 1961 NY Yankees BL RF 283/371/581* 160+ 39 HR 7.3 WAR MVP
                8. Josh Hamilton 2010 Texas Rangers BL LF/CF 359*/411/673* 170+ 32HR 8.4 WAR MVP
                9. Dick Bartell 1937 NY Giants BR SS 306/367/409 125+ 14 HR 6.4 WAR
                10. Johnny Sain 1948 Boston Braves RHP 24*-15 2.60 314IP 137K 149+ 8.0 PWAR
                11. Terry Pendleton 1991 Atlanta Braves BB 3B 319*/363/517 139+ 187H* 22HR 5.8 WAR MVP
                12. Trevor Hoffman 1998 San Diego Padres RHP 66G 1.48 73 IP 265+ 53*S 4.0 PWAR
                13. Rudy York 1940 Detroit Tigers BR 1B 316/410/583 145+ 33 HR 4.9 WAR
                14. Mike Garcia 1954 Cleveland Indians RHP 19-8 2.64* 258 IP 140+ 4.6 PWAR
                15. Gavvy Cravath 1915 Philadelphia Phillies BR RF 285/393*/510* 170+* 24HR* 6.6 WAR
                16. Jim Konstanty 1950 Philadelphia Phillies RHP 16-7 74*G 2.66 152 IP 151+ 22*S 4.6 PWAR MVP
                17. Vada Pinson 1961 Cincinnati Redlegs BL CF 343/379/504 131+ 208H 16HR 7.2 WAR
                18. Warren Spahn 1958 Milwaukee Braves LHP 22*-11 3.07 290*IP 116+ 3.7 PWAR
                19. Jerry Adair 1967 Boston Red Sox BR 2B/SS/3B 291/321/367 96+ 3 HR 2.1 WAR
                20. Troy Tulowitzki 2007 Colorado Rockies SS 291/359/479 109+ 24 HR 6.5 WAR
                21. Sherm Lollar 1959 Chicago White Sox BR C 265/345/451 118+ 22 HR 3.2 WAR
                22. Terry Forster 1978 Los Angeles Dodgers LHP 47 G 1.93 65 IP 183+ 22 S 1.6 PWAR
                23. Dan Quisenberry 1980 Kansas City Royals RHP 12-7 75*G 3.09 128 IP 130+ 2.3 PWAR
                24. Sam Crawford 1907 Detroit Tigers BL CF 323/366/460 160+ 4 HR 5.8 WAR
                25. Waite Hoyt 1921 New York Yankees RHP 19-13 3.09 282 IP 136+ 5.1 PWAR

                Typical Lineup vs RHP

                1. Charlie Gehringer 2B BL 356/450/517 149+ 11 HR 8.1 WAR
                2. Mickey Cochrane C BL 349/423/553 149+ 17 HR 5.2 WAR
                3. Mickey Mantle DH BB 365*/512*/665 210+ 34 HR 11.1 WAR MVP
                4. Josh Hamilton LF BL 359*/411/673* 170+ 32HR 8.4 WAR MVP
                5. Rudy York 1B BR 316/410/583 145+ 33 HR 4.9 WAR
                6. Roger Maris RF BL 283/371/581* 160+ 39 HR 7.3 WAR MVP
                7. Vada Pinson CF BL 343/379/504 131+ 208H 16HR 7.2 WAR
                8. Dick Bartell SS BR 306/367/409 125+ 14 HR 6.4 WAR
                9. Terry Pendleton 3B BB 319*/363/517 139+ 187H* 22HR 5.8 WAR MVP


                Typical Lineup vs LHP

                1. Charlie Gehringer 2B BL 356/450/517 149+ 8.1 WAR
                2. Mickey Mantle CF BB 365*/512*/665 210+ 34 HR 11.1 WAR MVP 421/497/717 vs LHP!
                3. Gavvy Cravath RF BR 285/393*/510* 170+* 24HR* 6.6 WAR
                4. Rudy York 1B BR 316/410/583 145+ 33 HR 4.9 WAR
                5. Josh Hamilton LF BL 359*/411/673* 170+ 32HR 8.4 WAR MVP
                6. Sam Crawford DH BL 323/366/460 160+ 4 HR 5.8 WAR
                7. Troy Tulowitzki SS BR 291/359/479 109+ 24 HR 6.5 WAR
                8. Terry Pendleton 3B BB 319*/363/517 139+ 187H* 22HR 5.8 WAR MVP
                9. Sherm Lollar C BR 265/345/451 118+ 22 HR 3.2 WAR


                Starting Rotation

                1. Sandy Koufax 27*-9 1.73* 323*IP 317*K 190+* 10.0* PWAR CYA
                2. Christy Mathewson 26-13 1.99* 307IP 141K 167+* 7.0 PWAR
                3. Carl Hubbell 26-6 2.13* 304IP 123K 169+* 9.3* PWAR MVP
                4. Johnny Sain 24*-15 2.60 314IP 137K 149+ 8.0 PWAR

                Spot Start/Long Relief
                Warren Spahn 1958 Milwaukee Braves LHP 22*-11 3.07 290*IP 116+ 3.7 PWAR
                Mike Garcia 1954 Cleveland Indians RHP 19-8 2.64* 258 IP 140+ 4.6 PWAR

                Middle/Short Relief
                Waite Hoyt 1921 New York Yankees RHP 19-13 3.09 282 IP 136+ 5.1 PWAR
                Terry Forster 1978 Los Angeles Dodgers LHP 47 G 1.93 65 IP 183+ 22 S 1.6 PWAR
                Dan Quisenberry 1980 Kansas City Royals RHP 12-7 75*G 3.09 128 IP 130+ 2.3 PWAR
                Jim Konstanty 1950 Philadelphia Phillies RHP 16-7 74*G 2.66 152 IP 151+ 22*S 4.6 PWAR MVP
                Trevor Hoffman 1998 San Diego Padres RHP 66G 1.48 73 IP 265+ 53*S 4.0 PWAR

                There's no reason to go into a lot of detail here. We've all got outstanding teams. I'll just say that I really like my team. I like my lineups- lots of high BAs, lots of high OBPs, plenty of power. I've only got a few guys in my lineup who are strikeout-prone- a real advantage. I've got lots of platoon flexibility. I've got good to outstanding defense almost everywhere. I'm confident that my starting pitching is the best in the league, and the depth and quality of my relief pitching matches any other team's.
                Last edited by BigRon; 10-21-2012, 03:31 PM.

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                • #9
                  North County Notechis

                  C/DH -Mike Naploli 2011 Rangers: 5.3 WAR
                  1B - Albert Pujols 2004 Cardinals: 8.3 WAR
                  2B- Chase Utley 2009 Phillies : 8 WAR
                  SS - Ozzie Smith 1987 Cardinals: 6.2 WAR
                  3B - George Brett 1980 Royals: 9.3 WAR
                  LF- Albert Belle 1995 Indians (proj.) 7.5 WAR
                  CF- Willie McGee 1985 Cardinals 7.2 WAR
                  RF- Babe Ruth 1926 Yankees: 11.1 WAR
                  DH/C - Mike Piazza 2000 Mets: 5.2 oWAR

                  C - Darren Daulton: 2003 Phillies 4.9 WAR
                  3B/DH - Paul Molitor 1982 Brewers 6.7 WAR
                  2B - Larry Doyle 1911 Giants 5.0 WAR
                  SS - Derek Jeter 2001 Yankees 4.9 WAR
                  OF - Goose Goslin 1925 Senators 6.0 WAR
                  OF - Zach Wheat 1916 Dodgers 5.8 WAR

                  SP - Bob Gibson 1968 Cardinals: 11.1 WAR
                  SP - Greg Maddux 1996 Braves: 7 WAR
                  SP - Tom Glavine 1991 Braves: 9 WAR
                  SP - Robin Roberts 1950 Phillies 6.5 WAR
                  SP - Roy Oswalt 2005 Astros 5.7 WAR
                  SP - Lon Warneke 1932 Cubs 6.7 WAR
                  SP - Andy Messersmith 1974 Dodgers 6.3 WAR
                  SP - Early Wynn 1954 Indians 5.2 WAR
                  RRP - Joel Zumaya 2006 Tigers 3.7 WPA
                  LRP - PJ Howell 2008 Rays 3.6 WPA
                  Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 10-18-2012, 07:00 AM.
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                  • #10
                    Wow. Where does Wade get his WAR data from? Every player on his roster is 15-20% higher than any source I know of.
                    "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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                    • #11
                      I dont know but some of those guys must be living in Tom Glavine world.

                      Tom Glavine did not have a 9.0 war.
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                      • #12
                        FWIW I don't place a LOT of value in WAR numbers
                        1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
                          Wow. Where does Wade get his WAR data from? Every player on his roster is 15-20% higher than any source I know of.
                          Fangraphs.com. I tend to find their WAR numbers generally more accurate than BBRef, at least for hitters. Their WAR for pitchers is based on FIP if I remember correctly, and I don't think that's a fair way to do it. Fangraphs and BBRef often are very similar for WAR - and many are lower on Fangraphs. The site doesn't only inflate WAR - I just didn't pick many with lower WAR (I did pick some).

                          For instance, BBRef lists one pitcher (who will remain unnamed since he hasn't been drafted) who had a 2.38 ERA, 149 ERA+, and 290 IP. BBRef gives him a 3.9 WAR - and gives his teammate, who had almost identical numbers but almost 110 less IP, almost identical WAR. There were other, less egregious examples, but I'll have to find them again
                          Last edited by Wade8813; 10-07-2012, 01:09 PM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
                            I dont know but some of those guys must be living in Tom Glavine world.

                            Tom Glavine did not have a 9.0 war.
                            Yeah, that must be yet another site. Although 9 isn't too much higher than BBRef, which lists him at 8.2 WAR
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chicagowhitesox1173 View Post
                              I dont know but some of those guys must be living in Tom Glavine world.

                              Tom Glavine did not have a 9.0 war.
                              Yeah, that must be yet another site. Although 9 isn't too much higher than BBRef, which lists him at 8.2 WAR
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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