New draft: Stock teams with certain parameters

[9RoyHobbsRF]

Well I will see if there is any interest. We can have two teams per player so I would suggest a minimum of 4 members, with no limit.

Here is the BASIC items for THIS draft:

You can pick any stock team from 1901 to 1984. (Sorry I do not want to include the PED era, too many unanswered questions and players of questionable legitimacy). Name the team and the year.

You can add 7 "players" with these restrictions and explanations:
1) you can add any player from the same year same league, this counts as "one" player.
2) you add any player that played on the same team the year before or the year after. "Upgraded" players (say you want the 1964 Giants but want 1963 Willie McCovey to replace 1964 Willie McCovey) counts as "one/half" a player. Any other player, say you want the 1971 White Sox but want to add 1972 Dick Allen counts as "one player".
3) This will be a NO DH league. Even if you choose an AL team from 1973 to 1984 there will be no DH

After the league is established each player will name one AL team and one NL team as their stock team. It is suggested that at least 3 years be the minumum separation period between franchises (say the 1964 Cardinals and 1967 Cardinals can both be chosen by separate members, but the 1967 Cardinals and 1968 Cardinals can not). The drafting of teams will be randomized, but whover picks first for the AL picks last for the NL and vice versa.

There will be no need to limit who each team can add as far as players as long as no teams are selected from the same league the same year.

Once the teams are established there will be a one week period to make the necessary changes to your stock team for one league. Then after that, another week to make the necessary changes to the team in the other league.

Winners can be chosen by vote or by a sim (whichever is decided by members). League winners first, then a world series winner.

Who is IN?

[Wade8813]

That's definitely an interesting concept, but I'm not sure if it would be balanced. Being able to select the better team might be too much of an advantage.

Also, it seems like it might be a lot of research.

That said, I'm definitely intrigued

[9RoyHobbsRF]

I have mentioned in the other thread there can be an arbitrary limit to winning % agreed by all members

no team with a winning pct above .650 or .600 or .575 or .550

etc

[John Shoemaker]

I just typed in "earliest steroid use in baseball" on the compuers and this entry came up:

1971-1978 - Tom House
House said that he used steroids during his eight-year Major League career, though he wasn't specific about which years. House estimated that "six or seven pitchers on every staff were fiddling with steroids or hGH" while he was playing.

Tom House also says that steroids were rampant in the 1960's. This comment represents the earliest date that steroids were implicated in baseball.

It looks like we would have to go back to the 50's to be sure no player was on PEDS.

[9RoyHobbsRF]

you had two players hit 50 or more HR in a season from 1962 to 1989 (28 years)
neither player has been linked to steroids

you had 19 from 1990 to 2002, (13 years) including years of 73, 70, 66, 65, 64 and 63 all six of these years were definitely PED enhanced

I am confortable with the cutoff dates

[9RoyHobbsRF]

anyway the debates for new draft leagues are on the other thread

this thread is nor for debating who did what, I established the parameters

please indicate if you are in and we can proceed

[Wade8813]

you had two players hit 50 or more HR in a season from 1962 to 1989 (28 years)

you had 19 from 1990 to 2002, (13 years) including years of 73, 70, 66, 65, 64 and 63

I am confortable with the cutoff dates

But there also a lot of other factors. Like the height of the mound, the composition of the ball, etc. Besides, if he admitted to it...

http://steroids-and-baseball.com/actual-effects.shtml

[ian2813]

Definitely an interesting concept. I might be interested in participating. Forgive me if I'm a little slow. I think I understand everything, but I just have some questions that need to be clarified.

If I understand correctly:

1. We pick pre-existing teams and just make modifications to them.

2. There's a draft to select the teams, but not to select the players. We just tinker with our rosters on our own.

3. Two teams can have the same player, just in different years.


So here are my questions:

Will there be a 25-man roster to base our evaluations on, or will we consider every player who even had a cup of coffee with our stock teams?

Are we presuming that mid-season acquisitions that our stock teams made happened the same way, and that they might only have a key player for a partial season?

When you add a new player, does he have to replace an old one? For instance, if you had the 1968 Tigers as your stock team you might decide they need an upgrade over Don Wert at third base. Brooks Robinson played in the same league and had a great year, so he'd be a perfect choice. Does Wert stay on the roster as a bench player, or does he need to be removed altogether?

[9RoyHobbsRF]

Definitely an interesting concept. I might be interested in participating. Forgive me if I'm a little slow. I think I understand everything, but I just have some questions that need to be clarified.

If I understand correctly:

1. We pick pre-existing teams and just make modifications to them.

2. There's a draft to select the teams, but not to select the players. We just tinker with our rosters on our own.

3. Two teams can have the same player, just in different years.


So here are my questions:

Will there be a 25-man roster to base our evaluations on, or will we consider every player who even had a cup of coffee with our stock teams?

Are we presuming that mid-season acquisitions that our stock teams made happened the same way, and that they might only have a key player for a partial season?

When you add a new player, does he have to replace an old one? For instance, if you had the 1968 Tigers as your stock team you might decide they need an upgrade over Don Wert at third base. Brooks Robinson played in the same league and had a great year, so he'd be a perfect choice. Does Wert stay on the roster as a bench player, or does he need to be removed altogether?

OK let me try to get to these one at a time

Yes you pick a pre-exisiting team. All teams have flaws. And most teams have strengths. Your goal is to improve your team as you see fit by either improving areas of weakness or making a good strength a great strength or phenomenal strength.

There IS a draft to select teams and teams means a year and a team, so there can be numerous Yankee teams, but spaced at least three years apart. In fact all teams selected must be at least three years apart from teams in the same league. For example, the 1962 Giants might select 1962 Frank Robinson to play OF, so there can't be a 1961 Reds team who could also possibly upgrade to 1962 Frank Robinson. But there can be a 1966 Orioles team that includes 1966 Frank Robinson.

Your goal is to make the best 25 man team, but like most teams, 8 position players will play much more than the subs.

Yes a player can be used on numerous teams.

And now for your direct questions:
Rosters will be 25 man rosters, you can include any player on your "base team" that played for that team that year. 1977 Roger Freed can be on the 1977 Cardinals as a high average hitter, although he was a bit player.

Mid season acquisitions will be done this way: if they are from the same league like Lou Brock who was traded from the Cubs to the Cards in mid season 1964, the stats that prevail will be the entire NL stats for 1964 for Lou Brock. But if a player switches league mid season, only his current base team league stats will count.

You are allowed 7 player "transactions". When you add a player to your 25 man roster, you then must remove a player from your 25 man roster. As per your example, 1968 Tigers select 1968 Brooks Robinson as one of their moves, Don Wert could conceivably move to the bench and Tom Matchick can be removed from your 25 man roster, or you can remove Wert, it's up to you.

And remember if you have the 1968 Tigers and decide you want 1967 Al Kaline, he can be added (and 1968 Al Kaline MUST be removed) but it only costs "1/2" a player transaction

Let me know if this answers all your current questions

[9RoyHobbsRF]

I have added another parameter to the first post but want to make sure I repeat it or post it here as well:

this will be a NO DH league

even if you had an AL team from 1973 to 1984 and your team used a DH, this will be a no DH league

pitchers will hit and a good hitting pitcher is a luxury

[ian2813]

Let me know if this answers all your current questions

All right, I think I've got it. Sounds like a good concept. I'd definitely be up for doing something like this, assuming nothing urgent came up that would prevent me from doing it. For someone like me who doesn't always have the free time to check in on a draft regularly, it sounds like it'd work well, because I could build my team on my own time.

I'm also fine with no DH, since I've never particularly liked the rule.

One idea that might make it interesting is if each franchise could only be selected once, i.e. if someone drafts a Giant team, no other Giant teams are available. If we capped the team winning percentage it probably wouldn't be too uneven. I could understand if no one else wanted to do that, though.

[9RoyHobbsRF]

the beauty of this is that no one can get lucky and say take the yankees off the board with a first pick

theoretically every member could pick a Yankee team

ruth-gehrig yankees

dimaggio-gehrig yankees

dimaggio-henrich yankees

mantle-berra yankees

mantle-maris yankees

jackson -munson yankees

mattingley-winfield yankees

etc

[ian2813]

the beauty of this is that no one can get lucky and say take the yankees off the board with a first pick

theoretically every member could pick a Yankee team

ruth-gehrig yankees

dimaggio-gehrig yankees

dimaggio-henrich yankees

mantle-berra yankees

mantle-maris yankees

jackson -munson yankees

mattingley-winfield yankees

etc

True, but if we capped the stock team winning percentage at say, .600, there would probably be good options from most franchises. Like I said, we don't have to do it that way, but it could be interesting if we did.

[9RoyHobbsRF]

yes that is a consideration and I have no problem with it

the one technicality is say we cap it at .667 and the 1927 yankees are ineligible

well you could take the 1928 yankees (.653) and then stock it with 1927 yankee players

or you could take the 1927 A's (.591) and stock with 7 1927 yankees

so the capping works but then it really doesn't

[9RoyHobbsRF]

So far 2 members have shown interest:

1. 9RoyHobbsRF
2. Ian2813

anyone else? We only need at least 2 more - of course more than 4 would be great