1968-69 Offseason Thread

[leecemark]

--Greeting all, its time to start preparations for another season of CKL baseball. This offseason will be a little more eventfull than most as we add 4 new teams. Welcome to our new owners and their teams - Hack_Miller and the KW Wranglers, Windy City Fan and the Windy City Thunder, The Dude and AC Appletonia and Blueblood and the Brawlers..
--The first deadline will be for existing owners to post their 14 man protected list, as well as their expansion eligible players and free agents. That list needs to be posted by midnight EST on Friday, May 9. The expansion draft is set for 9PM EST on Friday, May 16.
--The other deadlines are also tenative based on the expansion timeline. The first 9 rounds will be live. The subsequent 16 rounds will be on an 8 hour clock and could take as much as 3 weeks to complete (although hopefully it will move quicker). The rookie draft then is very tenatively scheduled for 8 PM EST on Friday, June 6 and the free agent auction for 8 PM EST on Friday, June 13.
--Existing owners are now free to make trades. Expansion owners may not make any deals until they have players to move. They may not trade draft picks prior to the conclusion of the expansion draft. The non-tender/buy out period is also postponed until after the expansion draft. Existing owners may not release players under club control until after they have been offered up to the new teams.
--As a reminder, all player who had a PA or BF in the CKL in 1968 are due a 250K raise, with 2 exceptions. Players on multi-year free agent deals have the same salary throughout the deal. Players from the draft class of 1966 have their salaries doubled regardless of whether they played last year or not.

[leecemark]

Rookie draft order

--Please let me know if I have any errors or omissions in traded picks.

1) Thuinder 2-Cloverleafs
2) Wranglers
3) Brawlers
4) Appletonia
5) Gamblers, 1-Angels, 2 and 3- Legends
6) Diablos, 2-Knights
7) Badgers
8) Angels, 1/2*- Knights, 3 -Appletonia , 4 - Legends, 5 - Gold Sox
9) Shoeless Joes 1-Hard Cider, 2-Appletonia, 3-Hard Cider
10) Redbirds 1-Thunder (extra pick between 2nd and 3rd rounds)
11) Cloverleafs
12) Skipjacks 2-Appletonia
13) Knights
14) Hard Cider 1-Cloverleafs, 3-Angels
15) Gold Sox 1-Hard Cider, 2- Redbirds, 3 - Shoeless 4-Angels
16) Legends 2-Knights

[leecemark]

Free Agents

--All players drafted in 1963 will be free agents this year unless they have previously acheived free agency and signed a multi-year deal. Also any players whose contracts expired after 1968 will be free agents. Only 10 players will be premium free agents (i.e. auctioned off in the live draft). I've bolded my nominations from the class of 63. Your suggestions for other players or expiring contract players are welcome. Also let me know if any of the class of 63 players are on multi-year deals I've missed.

1) Hard Cider from Gamblers - Dick Allen
2) Legends - Jim Ray Hart
3) Diablos - Pete Rose
4) Shoeless Joes - Mickey Lolich
5) Cannons - Jimmy Wynn
6) Legends from Redbirds - Tommy John
7) Skipjacks - Willie Horton
8) Gamblers from Knights via Skipjacks - Rico Carty
9) Legends from hard Cider - Ron Hunt
Second round
1/10) Gamblers - Rico Petrocelli
2/11) Legends - Rusty Staub
3/12) Cannons from Diablos - Don Buford
4/13) Hard Cider from Avengers - Joe Morgan - already on multi-year deal
5/14) Hard Cider from Cannons - Jim Hall
6/15) Shoeless Joes from Redbirds - Denny McLain
7/16) Skipjacks - Frank Linzy
8/17) Legends from Knights - Gene Alley
9/18) Hard Cider - Wally Bunker
Third round
1/19) Gamblers - Ron Herbel
2/20) Legends - Ray Culp - already on multi-year deal
3/21) Diablos - Joe Hoerner
4/22) Shoeless Joes - Don Wert
5/23) Cannons - Ken Harrelson
6/24) Redbirds - Bruce Howard
7/25) Gambler from Skipjacks via Hard Cider - Gates Brown
8/26) Knights - Vic Davalillo
9/27) Hard Cider - Larry Brown
Fourth round
1/28) Gamblers -]Jose Cardenal[
2/29) Legends - Marcelino Lopez
3/30) Diablos - Jose Santiago
4/31) Shoeless Joes - Bob Sadowski
5/32) Cannons - Aubrey Gatewood
6/33) Redbirds - Willie Smith
7/34) Skipjacks - Dick Green - already on multi-year deal
8/35) Knights - Pass
9/36) Redbirds from Hard Cider - Cleon Jones
Fifth round
1/37) Gamblers - Pass
2/38) Legends - Pass
3/39) Diablos - Pass
4/40) Shoeless Joes - Pass
5/41) Cannons - Al Ferrara - already on FA deal
6/42) Redbirds - Jesus Alou
7/43) Skipjacks - Grover Powell
8/44) Knights - Pass
9/45) Hard Cider - Dick Calmus
6th round
Cannons - John Bateman
Redbirds - Bob Chance

[catcher24]

Looking at your list and then a quick trip to b-r.com, Mark, leads me to suggest making Willie Horton a PFA rather than Jose Cardenal. Horton has three seasons of over 130 OPS+ coming up and a 117 and 99, while Cardenal has 90,105,88,121,119. Horton does have less PA every year, though. Maybe you were looking for quantity over quality, although either one would be welcome on my team!

[Sockeye]

According to my records the Angels own Hard Cider's 3rd rd pick in '69 and EB Gold Sox 4th rd pick in '69. Hard Cider's 3rd rd pick is listed as belonging to the Skipjacks. After going back and looking at the 67-68 offseason thread. The Skipjacks traded Hard Cider's pick to me during this past offseason. The complete deal was as follows.

- 3B Brooks Robinson (18.0, 64-68)
- 2nd round pick in '68 (JW Skipjacks)
- 3rd round pick in '69 (from Hard Cider)

to Sockeye's Angels for

- RP Don McMahon (10.0, 65-69)
- SP Ray Sadecki (9.25, 61)
- 1B/OF Ken Harrelson (1.0, 63-68)

The 4th rd pick from the Gold sox came to me in the first deal I pulled off after entering the league. Post #171 of the 1967 season thread. I quote "the Gold Sox send their fourth-round picks in 1968 and 1969 to the Angels for Steve Barber and the Angels' fifth-round pick in 1968."

[-Kyle-]

NOTE: I will be trying to complete a trade to finish this protected list. I am aware I have under 14 .
14 Protected
LF/3B/1B Harmon Killebrew (12m, Franchise Player)
CF Willie Davis (7.5m 67-70)
LHP Jim Kaat (8.75m, 61 Draft, Trade with Defunct Nails)
LHP Ron Perranoski (8.00m 61 Draft, Trade with Gold Sox)
RHP Mel Stottlemyre (3.50m, 64 Draft)
LHP Jerry Koosman (1.00m, 67 Draft)
C Ed Kirkpatrick (.25m 67-69)
RHP Marty Pattin (.50m, 68 Draft)
3B Bill Melton (.75m, 68 Draft)
SS Rico Petrocelli (1.50m, 63 Draft)
4 Extra Spots as of right now.

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This is my roster taken from my thread.

Retained on FA contract (6, 21.5m)

LF/3B/1B Harmon Killebrew (12m, Franchise Player)
CF Willie Davis (7.5m 67-70)
3B/1B Pete Ward (1.25m 68-69)
C Ed Kirkpatrick (.25m 67-69)
SS Sandy Alomar (.25m 67-69)
RHP Jim Britton (.25m 67-69)

Draftees retained by salary increase (9, 26.75)

LHP Jim Kaat (8.75m, 61 Draft, Trade with Defunct Nails)
LHP Ron Perranoski (8.00m 61 Draft, Trade with Gold Sox)
RHP Mel Stottlemyre (3.50m, 64 Draft)
C Paul Casanova (1.75m, 65 Draft)
RHP Gary Wagner (1.75m, 65 Draft)
LHP Jerry Koosman (1.00m, 67 Draft)
RHP Gene Brabender (1.00m, 66 Draft)
RHP Marty Pattin (.50m, 68 Draft)
RHP Gary Waslewski (.50m, 67 Draft)

Draftees retained without salary increase (7, 2.5m)

3B Bill Melton (.75m, 68 Draft)
RHP Bill Stoneman (.50m, 67 Draft)
SS/3B Eddie Leon (.25m, 68 Draft)
C Dick Billings (.25m, 68 Draft)
RHP Bruce Dal Canton (.25m, 67 Draft)
LF Danny Walton (.25m, 68 Draft)
RHP Mike Paul (.25m, 68 Draft)

22 at 50.75m
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Leaving due to expiring FA contract

2B Bill Mazeroski (.75m 68-68)
1B Tom McCraw (.25m 68-68)
LHP Steve Barber (.25m 68-68)
OF Vic Davalillo (.50m 67-68)
RHP Joe Sparma (.25m 68-68)
RHP Sammy Ellis (.25m 68-68)
C Dave Duncan (.25m 68-68)
2B Frank Quilici (.25m 68-68)
C Dave Adlesh (.25m, 66-68)
2b Marv Staehle (.25m (66-68)

Leaving due to non tender--Non tenders not permitted till after expansion draft. These guys will be part of your contribution to the expansion pool

1B Gary Holman (.25m 68 Draft)
RHP Jeff James (.25m 68 Draft)
2B John Donaldson (.50m, 66 Draft)
3B Hank Allen (.50m, 66 Draft)

Leaving due to 6 year rule

OF Jose Cardenal (.75m, 63 Draft)
OF Rico Carty (2.50m, 63 Draft)
RHP Ron Herbel (1.50m, 63 Draft)

[catcher24]

Legends Roster

Legends protected, draft eligible, and free agent players. All salaries are updated for the 1969 season. Thru is the last year of contract; the player will become a free agent after that season. YTY is a year to year contract at the club's option. Bump is the year the player is due to receive their "arbitration" salary doubling; if no year is listed, the bump has already been given.

14 Protected Players
C: Bill Freehan - 1961 draft, 5M, YTY
1B: Willie McCovey - 1961 draft/trade, 11M, YTY
2B: Joe Morgan - 1968 FA - 5 years, 10.5M, thru 1972
3B: Ron Santo - 1961 draft, 12M, Franchise player
3B: Richie Hebner - 1968 draft, 1M, thru 1973
OF: Reggie Smith - 1966 draft, 2.5M, thru 1971
OF: Rick Monday - 1966 draft, 2.5M, thru 1971
OF: Hank Aaron - 1961 draft/trade, 12.25M, YTY
SP: Tom Seaver - 1967 draft, 1.5M, thru 1972
SP: Fergie Jenkins - 1965 draft, 2.75M, thru 1970
SP: Bill Hands - 1965 draft, 2.75M, thru 1970
SP: Dock Ellis - 1968 draft, 1M, thru 1973
RP: Sparky Lyle - 1967 draft, 1.25M, thru 1972
RP: Lindy McDaniel - 1961 draft, 3M, YTY

Expansion Draft Eligible
C: Duke Sims - 1964 draft, 1M, thru 1969
1B: Mike Jorgenson - 1968 draft, 250K - bump 1971, thru 1973
2B: Dick Green - 1967 FA - 3 years, 1.75M, thru 1969
SS: Bert Campaneris - 1964 draft/trade, 1.75M, thru 1969
SS: Ed Brinkman - 1968 FA - 3 years, 250K, thru 1970
OF: Joe Rudi - 1967 draft, 250K - bump 1970, thru 1972
OF: Dave May - 1967 draft, 250K - bump 1970, thru 1972
OF: Amos Otis - 1967 draft, 500K - bump 1970, thru 1972
OF: Tommie Harper - 1968 FA - 4 years, 6M, thru 1971
OF: Art Shamsky - 1965 draft, 1.75M, thru 1970
OF: Ed Stroud - 1968 FA - 3 years, 250K, thru 1970
SP: Luis Tiant - 1964 draft/trade, 3.5M, thru 1969
SP: Al Downing - 1961 draft, 2.25M, YTY
RP: Ted Abernathy - 1961 draft, 2M, YTY
RP: Bob Locker - 1965 draft, 1.75M, thru 1970
RP: Ron Kline - 1961 draft, 2.75M, YTY
RP: Roger Nelson - 1967 draft, 500K - bump 1970, thru 1972
RP: John Cumberland - 1968 draft, 250K - bump 1971, thru 1973
RP: Tom Burgmeier - 1968 draft, 250K - bump 1971, thru 1973
RP: Fred Beene - 1968 draft, 250K - bump 1971, thru 1973

Free Agents - Contracts Expired
C: Jim French
2B: Don Buford
SP: Jerry Arrigo
SP: Al Jackson
RP: John Morris

Retired
C: Billy Bryan

[jkc32]

--Please let me know if I have any errors or omissions in traded picks.
9) Shoeless Joes 1-Hard Cider, 2-Gold Sox, 3-Hard Cider

I don't recall dealing my 3rd rounder to Hard Cider. I know he has my 1st in 1969 and my 3rd in 1971 (I have his 3rd in 1970)...If my records are wrong, please let me know.

[jkc32]

--All players drafted in 1963 will be free agents this year unless they have previously acheived free agency and signed a multi-year deal. Also any players whose contracts expired after 1968 will be free agents. Only 10 players will be premium free agents (i.e. auctioned off in the live draft). I've bolded my nominations from the class of 63. Your suggestions for other players or expiring contract players are welcome. Also let me know if any of the class of 63 players are on multi-year deals I've missed.

Fifth round
1/37) Gamblers - Pass
2/38) Legends - Pass
3/39) Diablos - Pass
4/40) Shoeless Joes - Pass
5/41) Cannons - Al Ferrara
6/42) Redbirds - Jesus Alou
7/43) Skipjacks - Grover Powell
8/44) Knights - Pass
9/45) Hard Cider - Dick Calmus
6th round
Cannons - John Bateman
Redbirds - Bob Chance

FYI...Al Ferrara was dropped at some point because Shoeless drafted him in 1968 to a 3-year contract. He will be available to the expansion GMs, unless someone can use his .903 OPS against LHP this year?!?!

[Sockeye]

Protected (14 players)

SP: Dave McNally (22.00) (signed 1968, FA after 1972)
SP: Gaylord Perry (27.50) (signed 1968, FA after 1972)
SP: Mike Cuellar (4.75) (traded for 1968, 1961 draftee)
SP: Tom Hall (.75) (drafted 1968, FA after 1973)
SP: Andy Messersmith (1.25) (traded for 1968, FA after 1973)
SP: Jim McAndrew (.50) (drafted 1968, leaves after 1972)
RP: Mudcat Grant (2.50) (drafted 1961)
RP: Rollie Fingers (.25) (drafted 1968, FA after 1973)
OF: Ralph Garr (.25) (drafted 1968, FA after 1973)
C: Ellie Rodriguez (.25) (drafted 1968, FA after 1973)
1B: Gail Hopkins (.25) (drafted 1968, FA after 1973)
1B/OF: Mike Hegan (.25) (signed 1967, FA after 1969)
OF: Brant Alyea (.75) (drafted 1965, FA after 1970)
OF: Jay Johnstone (1.00) (drafted 1966, FA after 1971)

Expansion Eligible

OF: Willie Crawford (.75) (drafted 1964, leaves after 1969)
OF: Ron Swoboda (1.50) (traded for 1968, FA after 1970)
OF: Andy Kosco (.50) (signed 1968, FA after 1969)
1B: Dalton Jones (.75) (drafted 1964, FA after 1969)
3B: Bobby Cox (.50) (drafted 1968, leaves after 1969)
OF: Norm Miller (.50) (signed 1967, FA after 1969)
RP: Dick Ellsworth (4.50) (drafted 1961)
SP: Milt Pappas (4.75) (signed 1968, FA after 1970)
RP: Diego Segui (12.75) (signed 1968, FA after 1971)
RP: Rich Nye (1.00) (drafted 1966, leaves after 1970)
RP: Steve Kealey (.25) (drafted 1968, leaves after 1972)
OF: Jim Holt (.25) drafted 1968, FA after 1973)
OF: Andy Kosco (.50) (signed 1968, FA after 1969)
OF: Willie Smith (.50) (signed 1967, FA expires after 1969)
OF: Tommy Davis (.50) (signed 1968, FA after 1970)
C: Randy Hundley (1.25) (traded for 1968, FA after 1969)

Free Agents

1B: Bill White
2B: Cookie Rojas
3B: Max Alvis
SS: Hal Lanier
C: John Bateman
C: Bob Tillman
1B: Ed Kranepool
3B: Don Wert
OF: Jesus Alou

Retired

RP: Bill Kelso

[Erik Bedard]

I've got the Redbirds' first-round pick in 1969 (from the Maury Wills deal).

[Erik Bedard]

Expired contracts

Jimmy Wynn
Wally Bunker
Jose Santiago
Gene Alley

Retirements

Mickey Mantle
Larry Jackson
Bruce Look

Protected (subject to change)

Johnny Bench
Jim Northrup
Jim Perry
Mike McCormick
Bob Veale
Mark Belanger
John Hiller
Nolan Ryan
Ken Sanders
Mike Hedlund
Ken Henderson
Bob Watson
Steve Blass
Don Mincher

Available for Expansion Draft

Duffy Dyer (.25 1968)
Johnny Edwards (.25 1968-70)
Glenn Beckert (1.00 1965)
Ted Kubiak (.75 1967)
Rick Renick (.50 1968)
Wayne Comer (.25 1967)
Felipe Alou (5.00 1961)
Ted Uhlaender (1.00 1965)
Mike Torrez (.25 1967)
Lew Krausse (.75 1961)
Jim Nash (1.00 1966)
Jim Lonborg (2.00 1965)
Roy Face (2.25 1961)
Al Worthington (2.25 1961)
Tom Kelley (.50 1964)
Moe Drabowsky (1.75 1961)
Ed Sprague (.25 1968)
Stan Bahnsen (1.00 1966)
Lou Piniella (.25 1964)

[jterry619]

Birmingham Cloverleafs have a few arms!

I am looking to trade one..perhaps two arms..from this group:

Catfish Hunter 1,250,000 1965
Phil Niekro 2,750,000 1964
Claude Osteen 11,250,000 1961
Don Sutton 3,000,000 1966
Rick Wise 1,750,000 1964

And of course Jim Palmer who I would consider moving for the right offer:

Jim Palmer 12,000,000 1965


Looking for starting position players...not role players...picks or a combination.

You can get contact me via private message or by personal email at
[email protected]

[leecemark]

According to my records the Angels own Hard Cider's 3rd rd pick in '69 and EB Gold Sox 4th rd pick in '69. Hard Cider's 3rd rd pick is listed as belonging to the Skipjacks. After going back and looking at the 67-68 offseason thread. The Skipjacks traded Hard Cider's pick to me during this past offseason. The complete deal was as follows.

- 3B Brooks Robinson (18.0, 64-68)
- 2nd round pick in '68 (JW Skipjacks)
- 3rd round pick in '69 (from Hard Cider)

to Sockeye's Angels for

- RP Don McMahon (10.0, 65-69)
- SP Ray Sadecki (9.25, 61)
- 1B/OF Ken Harrelson (1.0, 63-68)

The 4th rd pick from the Gold sox came to me in the first deal I pulled off after entering the league. Post #171 of the 1967 season thread. I quote "the Gold Sox send their fourth-round picks in 1968 and 1969 to the Angels for Steve Barber and the Angels' fifth-round pick in 1968."

--I took the info from what people had on their page in the roster thread. Everyone should try and keep that up to date.

[leecemark]

--Dan, you left out the most important part of your roster. You need to add a list of the players who will be available for the expansion draft.