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  • 1968-69 Offseason Thread

    --Greeting all, its time to start preparations for another season of CKL baseball. This offseason will be a little more eventfull than most as we add 4 new teams. Welcome to our new owners and their teams - Hack_Miller and the KW Wranglers, Windy City Fan and the Windy City Thunder, The Dude and AC Appletonia and Blueblood and the Brawlers..
    --The first deadline will be for existing owners to post their 14 man protected list, as well as their expansion eligible players and free agents. That list needs to be posted by midnight EST on Friday, May 9. The expansion draft is set for 9PM EST on Friday, May 16.
    --The other deadlines are also tenative based on the expansion timeline. The first 9 rounds will be live. The subsequent 16 rounds will be on an 8 hour clock and could take as much as 3 weeks to complete (although hopefully it will move quicker). The rookie draft then is very tenatively scheduled for 8 PM EST on Friday, June 6 and the free agent auction for 8 PM EST on Friday, June 13.
    --Existing owners are now free to make trades. Expansion owners may not make any deals until they have players to move. They may not trade draft picks prior to the conclusion of the expansion draft. The non-tender/buy out period is also postponed until after the expansion draft. Existing owners may not release players under club control until after they have been offered up to the new teams.
    --As a reminder, all player who had a PA or BF in the CKL in 1968 are due a 250K raise, with 2 exceptions. Players on multi-year free agent deals have the same salary throughout the deal. Players from the draft class of 1966 have their salaries doubled regardless of whether they played last year or not.
    Last edited by leecemark; 05-24-2008, 06:01 AM.

  • #2
    Rookie draft order

    --Please let me know if I have any errors or omissions in traded picks.

    1) Thuinder 2-Cloverleafs
    2) Wranglers
    3) Brawlers
    4) Appletonia
    5) Gamblers, 1-Angels, 2 and 3- Legends
    6) Diablos, 2-Knights
    7) Badgers
    8) Angels, 1/2*- Knights, 3 -Appletonia , 4 - Legends, 5 - Gold Sox
    9) Shoeless Joes 1-Hard Cider, 2-Appletonia, 3-Hard Cider
    10) Redbirds 1-Thunder (extra pick between 2nd and 3rd rounds)
    11) Cloverleafs
    12) Skipjacks 2-Appletonia
    13) Knights
    14) Hard Cider 1-Cloverleafs, 3-Angels
    15) Gold Sox 1-Hard Cider, 2- Redbirds, 3 - Shoeless 4-Angels
    16) Legends 2-Knights
    Last edited by leecemark; 05-24-2008, 10:08 AM.

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    • #3
      Free Agents

      --All players drafted in 1963 will be free agents this year unless they have previously acheived free agency and signed a multi-year deal. Also any players whose contracts expired after 1968 will be free agents. Only 10 players will be premium free agents (i.e. auctioned off in the live draft). I've bolded my nominations from the class of 63. Your suggestions for other players or expiring contract players are welcome. Also let me know if any of the class of 63 players are on multi-year deals I've missed.

      1) Hard Cider from Gamblers - Dick Allen
      2) Legends - Jim Ray Hart
      3) Diablos - Pete Rose
      4) Shoeless Joes - Mickey Lolich
      5) Cannons - Jimmy Wynn
      6) Legends from Redbirds - Tommy John
      7) Skipjacks - Willie Horton
      8) Gamblers from Knights via Skipjacks - Rico Carty
      9) Legends from hard Cider - Ron Hunt
      Second round
      1/10) Gamblers - Rico Petrocelli
      2/11) Legends - Rusty Staub
      3/12) Cannons from Diablos - Don Buford
      4/13) Hard Cider from Avengers - Joe Morgan - already on multi-year deal
      5/14) Hard Cider from Cannons - Jim Hall
      6/15) Shoeless Joes from Redbirds - Denny McLain
      7/16) Skipjacks - Frank Linzy
      8/17) Legends from Knights - Gene Alley
      9/18) Hard Cider - Wally Bunker
      Third round
      1/19) Gamblers - Ron Herbel
      2/20) Legends - Ray Culp - already on multi-year deal
      3/21) Diablos - Joe Hoerner
      4/22) Shoeless Joes - Don Wert
      5/23) Cannons - Ken Harrelson
      6/24) Redbirds - Bruce Howard
      7/25) Gambler from Skipjacks via Hard Cider - Gates Brown
      8/26) Knights - Vic Davalillo
      9/27) Hard Cider - Larry Brown
      Fourth round
      1/28) Gamblers -]Jose Cardenal[
      2/29) Legends - Marcelino Lopez
      3/30) Diablos - Jose Santiago
      4/31) Shoeless Joes - Bob Sadowski
      5/32) Cannons - Aubrey Gatewood
      6/33) Redbirds - Willie Smith
      7/34) Skipjacks - Dick Green - already on multi-year deal
      8/35) Knights - Pass
      9/36) Redbirds from Hard Cider - Cleon Jones
      Fifth round
      1/37) Gamblers - Pass
      2/38) Legends - Pass
      3/39) Diablos - Pass
      4/40) Shoeless Joes - Pass
      5/41) Cannons - Al Ferrara - already on FA deal
      6/42) Redbirds - Jesus Alou
      7/43) Skipjacks - Grover Powell
      8/44) Knights - Pass
      9/45) Hard Cider - Dick Calmus
      6th round
      Cannons - John Bateman
      Redbirds - Bob Chance
      Last edited by leecemark; 05-01-2008, 10:00 PM.

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      • #4
        Looking at your list and then a quick trip to b-r.com, Mark, leads me to suggest making Willie Horton a PFA rather than Jose Cardenal. Horton has three seasons of over 130 OPS+ coming up and a 117 and 99, while Cardenal has 90,105,88,121,119. Horton does have less PA every year, though. Maybe you were looking for quantity over quality, although either one would be welcome on my team!
        You see, you spend a good deal of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. J. Bouton

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        • #5
          According to my records the Angels own Hard Cider's 3rd rd pick in '69 and EB Gold Sox 4th rd pick in '69. Hard Cider's 3rd rd pick is listed as belonging to the Skipjacks. After going back and looking at the 67-68 offseason thread. The Skipjacks traded Hard Cider's pick to me during this past offseason. The complete deal was as follows.

          - 3B Brooks Robinson (18.0, 64-68)
          - 2nd round pick in '68 (JW Skipjacks)
          - 3rd round pick in '69 (from Hard Cider)

          to Sockeye's Angels for

          - RP Don McMahon (10.0, 65-69)
          - SP Ray Sadecki (9.25, 61)
          - 1B/OF Ken Harrelson (1.0, 63-68)

          The 4th rd pick from the Gold sox came to me in the first deal I pulled off after entering the league. Post #171 of the 1967 season thread. I quote "the Gold Sox send their fourth-round picks in 1968 and 1969 to the Angels for Steve Barber and the Angels' fifth-round pick in 1968."
          Last edited by Sockeye; 05-01-2008, 07:15 PM.
          My dream ballpark dimensions
          LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
          RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
          Location....San Diego

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          • #6
            NOTE: I will be trying to complete a trade to finish this protected list. I am aware I have under 14 .
            14 Protected
            LF/3B/1B Harmon Killebrew (12m, Franchise Player)
            CF Willie Davis (7.5m 67-70)
            LHP Jim Kaat (8.75m, 61 Draft, Trade with Defunct Nails)
            LHP Ron Perranoski (8.00m 61 Draft, Trade with Gold Sox)
            RHP Mel Stottlemyre (3.50m, 64 Draft)
            LHP Jerry Koosman (1.00m, 67 Draft)
            C Ed Kirkpatrick (.25m 67-69)
            RHP Marty Pattin (.50m, 68 Draft)
            3B Bill Melton (.75m, 68 Draft)
            SS Rico Petrocelli (1.50m, 63 Draft)
            4 Extra Spots as of right now.

            ___________________________


            This is my roster taken from my thread.

            Retained on FA contract (6, 21.5m)

            LF/3B/1B Harmon Killebrew (12m, Franchise Player)
            CF Willie Davis (7.5m 67-70)
            3B/1B Pete Ward (1.25m 68-69)
            C Ed Kirkpatrick (.25m 67-69)
            SS Sandy Alomar (.25m 67-69)
            RHP Jim Britton (.25m 67-69)

            Draftees retained by salary increase (9, 26.75)

            LHP Jim Kaat (8.75m, 61 Draft, Trade with Defunct Nails)
            LHP Ron Perranoski (8.00m 61 Draft, Trade with Gold Sox)
            RHP Mel Stottlemyre (3.50m, 64 Draft)
            C Paul Casanova (1.75m, 65 Draft)
            RHP Gary Wagner (1.75m, 65 Draft)
            LHP Jerry Koosman (1.00m, 67 Draft)
            RHP Gene Brabender (1.00m, 66 Draft)
            RHP Marty Pattin (.50m, 68 Draft)
            RHP Gary Waslewski (.50m, 67 Draft)

            Draftees retained without salary increase (7, 2.5m)

            3B Bill Melton (.75m, 68 Draft)
            RHP Bill Stoneman (.50m, 67 Draft)
            SS/3B Eddie Leon (.25m, 68 Draft)
            C Dick Billings (.25m, 68 Draft)
            RHP Bruce Dal Canton (.25m, 67 Draft)
            LF Danny Walton (.25m, 68 Draft)
            RHP Mike Paul (.25m, 68 Draft)

            22 at 50.75m
            ---------



            Leaving due to expiring FA contract

            2B Bill Mazeroski (.75m 68-68)
            1B Tom McCraw (.25m 68-68)
            LHP Steve Barber (.25m 68-68)
            OF Vic Davalillo (.50m 67-68)
            RHP Joe Sparma (.25m 68-68)
            RHP Sammy Ellis (.25m 68-68)
            C Dave Duncan (.25m 68-68)
            2B Frank Quilici (.25m 68-68)
            C Dave Adlesh (.25m, 66-68)
            2b Marv Staehle (.25m (66-68)

            Leaving due to non tender--Non tenders not permitted till after expansion draft. These guys will be part of your contribution to the expansion pool

            1B Gary Holman (.25m 68 Draft)
            RHP Jeff James (.25m 68 Draft)
            2B John Donaldson (.50m, 66 Draft)
            3B Hank Allen (.50m, 66 Draft)

            Leaving due to 6 year rule

            OF Jose Cardenal (.75m, 63 Draft)
            OF Rico Carty (2.50m, 63 Draft)
            RHP Ron Herbel (1.50m, 63 Draft)
            Last edited by -Kyle-; 05-07-2008, 03:37 PM.

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            • #7
              Legends Roster

              Legends protected, draft eligible, and free agent players. All salaries are updated for the 1969 season. Thru is the last year of contract; the player will become a free agent after that season. YTY is a year to year contract at the club's option. Bump is the year the player is due to receive their "arbitration" salary doubling; if no year is listed, the bump has already been given.

              14 Protected Players
              C: Bill Freehan - 1961 draft, 5M, YTY
              1B: Willie McCovey - 1961 draft/trade, 11M, YTY
              2B: Joe Morgan - 1968 FA - 5 years, 10.5M, thru 1972
              3B: Ron Santo - 1961 draft, 12M, Franchise player
              3B: Richie Hebner - 1968 draft, 1M, thru 1973
              OF: Reggie Smith - 1966 draft, 2.5M, thru 1971
              OF: Rick Monday - 1966 draft, 2.5M, thru 1971
              OF: Hank Aaron - 1961 draft/trade, 12.25M, YTY
              SP: Tom Seaver - 1967 draft, 1.5M, thru 1972
              SP: Fergie Jenkins - 1965 draft, 2.75M, thru 1970
              SP: Bill Hands - 1965 draft, 2.75M, thru 1970
              SP: Dock Ellis - 1968 draft, 1M, thru 1973
              RP: Sparky Lyle - 1967 draft, 1.25M, thru 1972
              RP: Lindy McDaniel - 1961 draft, 3M, YTY

              Expansion Draft Eligible
              C: Duke Sims - 1964 draft, 1M, thru 1969
              1B: Mike Jorgenson - 1968 draft, 250K - bump 1971, thru 1973
              2B: Dick Green - 1967 FA - 3 years, 1.75M, thru 1969
              SS: Bert Campaneris - 1964 draft/trade, 1.75M, thru 1969
              SS: Ed Brinkman - 1968 FA - 3 years, 250K, thru 1970
              OF: Joe Rudi - 1967 draft, 250K - bump 1970, thru 1972
              OF: Dave May - 1967 draft, 250K - bump 1970, thru 1972
              OF: Amos Otis - 1967 draft, 500K - bump 1970, thru 1972
              OF: Tommie Harper - 1968 FA - 4 years, 6M, thru 1971
              OF: Art Shamsky - 1965 draft, 1.75M, thru 1970
              OF: Ed Stroud - 1968 FA - 3 years, 250K, thru 1970
              SP: Luis Tiant - 1964 draft/trade, 3.5M, thru 1969
              SP: Al Downing - 1961 draft, 2.25M, YTY
              RP: Ted Abernathy - 1961 draft, 2M, YTY
              RP: Bob Locker - 1965 draft, 1.75M, thru 1970
              RP: Ron Kline - 1961 draft, 2.75M, YTY
              RP: Roger Nelson - 1967 draft, 500K - bump 1970, thru 1972
              RP: John Cumberland - 1968 draft, 250K - bump 1971, thru 1973
              RP: Tom Burgmeier - 1968 draft, 250K - bump 1971, thru 1973
              RP: Fred Beene - 1968 draft, 250K - bump 1971, thru 1973

              Free Agents - Contracts Expired
              C: Jim French
              2B: Don Buford
              SP: Jerry Arrigo
              SP: Al Jackson
              RP: John Morris

              Retired

              C: Billy Bryan
              You see, you spend a good deal of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. J. Bouton

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              • #8
                Originally posted by leecemark View Post
                --Please let me know if I have any errors or omissions in traded picks.
                9) Shoeless Joes 1-Hard Cider, 2-Gold Sox, 3-Hard Cider
                I don't recall dealing my 3rd rounder to Hard Cider. I know he has my 1st in 1969 and my 3rd in 1971 (I have his 3rd in 1970)...If my records are wrong, please let me know.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by leecemark View Post
                  --All players drafted in 1963 will be free agents this year unless they have previously acheived free agency and signed a multi-year deal. Also any players whose contracts expired after 1968 will be free agents. Only 10 players will be premium free agents (i.e. auctioned off in the live draft). I've bolded my nominations from the class of 63. Your suggestions for other players or expiring contract players are welcome. Also let me know if any of the class of 63 players are on multi-year deals I've missed.

                  Fifth round
                  1/37) Gamblers - Pass
                  2/38) Legends - Pass
                  3/39) Diablos - Pass
                  4/40) Shoeless Joes - Pass
                  5/41) Cannons - Al Ferrara
                  6/42) Redbirds - Jesus Alou
                  7/43) Skipjacks - Grover Powell
                  8/44) Knights - Pass
                  9/45) Hard Cider - Dick Calmus
                  6th round
                  Cannons - John Bateman
                  Redbirds - Bob Chance
                  FYI...Al Ferrara was dropped at some point because Shoeless drafted him in 1968 to a 3-year contract. He will be available to the expansion GMs, unless someone can use his .903 OPS against LHP this year?!?!

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                  • #10
                    Protected (14 players)

                    SP: Dave McNally (22.00) (signed 1968, FA after 1972)
                    SP: Gaylord Perry (27.50) (signed 1968, FA after 1972)
                    SP: Mike Cuellar (4.75) (traded for 1968, 1961 draftee)
                    SP: Tom Hall (.75) (drafted 1968, FA after 1973)
                    SP: Andy Messersmith (1.25) (traded for 1968, FA after 1973)
                    SP: Jim McAndrew (.50) (drafted 1968, leaves after 1972)
                    RP: Mudcat Grant (2.50) (drafted 1961)
                    RP: Rollie Fingers (.25) (drafted 1968, FA after 1973)
                    OF: Ralph Garr (.25) (drafted 1968, FA after 1973)
                    C: Ellie Rodriguez (.25) (drafted 1968, FA after 1973)
                    1B: Gail Hopkins (.25) (drafted 1968, FA after 1973)
                    1B/OF: Mike Hegan (.25) (signed 1967, FA after 1969)
                    OF: Brant Alyea (.75) (drafted 1965, FA after 1970)
                    OF: Jay Johnstone (1.00) (drafted 1966, FA after 1971)

                    Expansion Eligible

                    OF: Willie Crawford (.75) (drafted 1964, leaves after 1969)
                    OF: Ron Swoboda (1.50) (traded for 1968, FA after 1970)
                    OF: Andy Kosco (.50) (signed 1968, FA after 1969)
                    1B: Dalton Jones (.75) (drafted 1964, FA after 1969)
                    3B: Bobby Cox (.50) (drafted 1968, leaves after 1969)
                    OF: Norm Miller (.50) (signed 1967, FA after 1969)
                    RP: Dick Ellsworth (4.50) (drafted 1961)
                    SP: Milt Pappas (4.75) (signed 1968, FA after 1970)
                    RP: Diego Segui (12.75) (signed 1968, FA after 1971)
                    RP: Rich Nye (1.00) (drafted 1966, leaves after 1970)
                    RP: Steve Kealey (.25) (drafted 1968, leaves after 1972)
                    OF: Jim Holt (.25) drafted 1968, FA after 1973)
                    OF: Andy Kosco (.50) (signed 1968, FA after 1969)
                    OF: Willie Smith (.50) (signed 1967, FA expires after 1969)
                    OF: Tommy Davis (.50) (signed 1968, FA after 1970)
                    C: Randy Hundley (1.25) (traded for 1968, FA after 1969)

                    Free Agents

                    1B: Bill White
                    2B: Cookie Rojas
                    3B: Max Alvis
                    SS: Hal Lanier
                    C: John Bateman
                    C: Bob Tillman
                    1B: Ed Kranepool
                    3B: Don Wert
                    OF: Jesus Alou

                    Retired

                    RP: Bill Kelso
                    Last edited by Sockeye; 05-01-2008, 07:37 PM.
                    My dream ballpark dimensions
                    LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
                    RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
                    Location....San Diego

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                    • #11
                      I've got the Redbirds' first-round pick in 1969 (from the Maury Wills deal).

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                      • #12
                        Expired contracts

                        Jimmy Wynn
                        Wally Bunker
                        Jose Santiago
                        Gene Alley

                        Retirements

                        Mickey Mantle
                        Larry Jackson
                        Bruce Look

                        Protected (subject to change)

                        Johnny Bench
                        Jim Northrup
                        Jim Perry
                        Mike McCormick
                        Bob Veale
                        Mark Belanger
                        John Hiller
                        Nolan Ryan
                        Ken Sanders
                        Mike Hedlund
                        Ken Henderson
                        Bob Watson
                        Steve Blass
                        Don Mincher

                        Available for Expansion Draft

                        Duffy Dyer (.25 1968)
                        Johnny Edwards (.25 1968-70)
                        Glenn Beckert (1.00 1965)
                        Ted Kubiak (.75 1967)
                        Rick Renick (.50 1968)
                        Wayne Comer (.25 1967)
                        Felipe Alou (5.00 1961)
                        Ted Uhlaender (1.00 1965)
                        Mike Torrez (.25 1967)
                        Lew Krausse (.75 1961)
                        Jim Nash (1.00 1966)
                        Jim Lonborg (2.00 1965)
                        Roy Face (2.25 1961)
                        Al Worthington (2.25 1961)
                        Tom Kelley (.50 1964)
                        Moe Drabowsky (1.75 1961)
                        Ed Sprague (.25 1968)
                        Stan Bahnsen (1.00 1966)
                        Lou Piniella (.25 1964)
                        Last edited by Erik Bedard; 05-03-2008, 07:23 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Birmingham Cloverleafs have a few arms!

                          I am looking to trade one..perhaps two arms..from this group:

                          Catfish Hunter 1,250,000 1965
                          Phil Niekro 2,750,000 1964
                          Claude Osteen 11,250,000 1961
                          Don Sutton 3,000,000 1966
                          Rick Wise 1,750,000 1964

                          And of course Jim Palmer who I would consider moving for the right offer:

                          Jim Palmer 12,000,000 1965


                          Looking for starting position players...not role players...picks or a combination.

                          You can get contact me via private message or by personal email at
                          [email protected]


                          "I want all of you rookies to line up in alphabetical order by height." Casey Stengel

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
                            According to my records the Angels own Hard Cider's 3rd rd pick in '69 and EB Gold Sox 4th rd pick in '69. Hard Cider's 3rd rd pick is listed as belonging to the Skipjacks. After going back and looking at the 67-68 offseason thread. The Skipjacks traded Hard Cider's pick to me during this past offseason. The complete deal was as follows.

                            - 3B Brooks Robinson (18.0, 64-68)
                            - 2nd round pick in '68 (JW Skipjacks)
                            - 3rd round pick in '69 (from Hard Cider)

                            to Sockeye's Angels for

                            - RP Don McMahon (10.0, 65-69)
                            - SP Ray Sadecki (9.25, 61)
                            - 1B/OF Ken Harrelson (1.0, 63-68)

                            The 4th rd pick from the Gold sox came to me in the first deal I pulled off after entering the league. Post #171 of the 1967 season thread. I quote "the Gold Sox send their fourth-round picks in 1968 and 1969 to the Angels for Steve Barber and the Angels' fifth-round pick in 1968."
                            --I took the info from what people had on their page in the roster thread. Everyone should try and keep that up to date.

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                            • #15
                              --Dan, you left out the most important part of your roster. You need to add a list of the players who will be available for the expansion draft.

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