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CKL All Decade Team (1960s)

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  • CKL All Decade Team (1960s)

    Player of the Decade: Willie Mays
    Pitcher of the Decade: Sandy Koufax

    First Team
    C: Bill Freehan
    1B: Willie McCovey
    2B: Dick McAuliffe
    3B: Harmon Killebrew
    SS: Maury Wills
    LF: Frank Robinson
    CF: Willie Mays
    RF: Hank Aaron
    SP: Sandy Koufax
    SP: Jim Bunning
    SP: Juan Marichal
    SP: Camilio Pascaul
    RP: Don McMahan

    Second Team
    C: Elston Howard
    1B: Norm Cash
    2B: Pete Rose
    3B: Ron Santo
    SS: Jim Fregosi
    LF: Carl Yastrzemski
    CF: Mickey Mantle
    RF: Tony Oliva
    SP: Dean Chance
    SP: Gary Peters
    SP: Fergie Jenkins
    SP: Joe Horlen
    RP: Stu Miller

    Third Team
    C: Joe Torre
    1B: Jim Gentile
    2B: Junior Gilliam
    3B: Dick Allen
    SS: Rico Petrocelli
    LF: Billy Williams
    CF: Jimmy Wynn
    RF: Roberto Clemente
    SP: Luis Tiant
    SP: Bob Gibson
    SP: Sam McDowell
    SP: Don Drysdale
    RP: Hoyt Wilhelm

    40th man: Orlando Cepeda
    Attached Files
    Last edited by leecemark; 10-03-2008, 02:38 PM.

  • #2
    Major Accomplishments

    Thanks Mark!

    This decade concluded in similar fashion to MLB, except that some names were changed:


    Instead of Roger Maris, the single-season HR record was broken in 1961 by Jim Gentile, who belted 77 of them over the Tiger Stadium wall. Incidentally, Roger Maris played the role of Mickey Mantle (76 HR).


    In 1963, Carl Yastrzemski of the JW Skipjacks completed a 46-game hitting streak, second longest is baseball history behind Joe DiMaggio's 56 game streak set 22 years earler. In real life, it would not be until 1978 that DiMaggio's streak became threatened (Pete Rose, 44 games).


    In 1966, Matty Alou of the PAP Redbirds came very close to hitting .400, finishing with a .392 average. Nobody in MLB through the 60s came close to this mark (.361 by Norm Cash in 1961). Rico Cary hit .366 for MLB in 1970; does he have a shot at .400?


    We had two Batting Triple Crowns in MLB in the 1960s: Frank Robinson in 1966, and Carl Yastrzemski in 1967. For the DMCKL, this distinction was handed to Orlando Cepeda in 1963 (again for the PAP Redbirds).

    We had three pitching Triple Crowns in MLB, all by Sandy Koufax (1963, 1965, 1966). Only once did a DMCKL pitcher achieve that mark: Luis Tiant in 1968 for the Legends. Koufax came close several times but couldn't nail down all three stats.


    On June 22, 1965, Knights pitcher Sonny Siebert tossed nine perfect innings against the PAP Redbirds (this team is showing up a lot isn't it?)... the final score, 6-0. It was the first perfect game since Don Larsen's historic World Series performance in 1956. Do you know who caught this game Mark?

    Catfish Hunter pitched a perfect game in real life in 1968.

    I'll fill this in as we go along...
    Last edited by J W; 09-11-2008, 01:45 PM.


    • #3
      No Hitters

      Comparing MLB to DMCKL through the 1961-1969, we see there were way less no-hitters accomplished (31 to 7)... no surprise considering we use modern-day reliever usages:


      (1961) Warren Spahn
      (1962) Sandy Koufax, Bo Belinsky, Earl Wilson, Bill Monbouquette, Jack Kralick
      (1963) Sandy Koufax, Don Nottebart, Juan Marichal
      (1964) Ken Johnson, Sandy Koufax, Jim Bunning
      (1965) Jim Maloney, Sandy Koufax, Dave Morehead
      (1966) Sonny Siebert
      (1967) Steve Barber / Stu Miller, Don Wilson, Dean Chance, Joe Horlen
      (1968) Tom Phoebus, Catfish Hunter *, George Culver, Gaylord Perry, Ray Washburn
      (1969) Bill Stoneman, Jim Maloney, Don Wilson, Jim Palmer, Ken Holtzman, Bob Moose


      (1961) Ted Bowsfield - Legends
      (1963) Larry Jackson - Gamblers
      (1965) Sonny Siebert - Knights *
      (1965) Juan Marichal - Pirates
      (1966) Sonny Siebert - Knights
      (1967) Pete Richert - Skipjacks
      (1968) Bill Hands - Legends
      (1969) TBD

      * Denotes Perfect Game
      Last edited by J W; 09-05-2008, 09:08 AM.


      • #4
        Preliminary Ballots

        --These are all the players meeting the criteria above, plus a few other noteables. If you think a reasonable candidate has been overlooked just point them out and I'll add them to the ballot once the position threads go up. Pitcher will be in a separate post, which I also get up today.

        C: Joe Torre, Elston Howard, Tom Haller, Bill Freehan, Johnny Roseboro and.....Clay Dalrymple??? (#5 in games caught!)
        1B: Willie McCovey, Jim Gentile, Orlando Cepeda, Norm Cash, Bill White, Norm Seiburn. Mickey Mantle made 2 All Star teams at 1B, but 3 in CF and played significantly more there. Harmon Killebrew made 3 of his 5 All Star appearances at 3B (1 each at 1B and LF) and played more there than here.
        2B: Joe Morgan (didn't technically qualify, but better than most who did), Pete Rose, Dick McAuliffe, Junior Gilliam, Julian Javier, Jerry Lumpe Bill Mazeroski, Tony Taylor and Bobby Richardson.
        SS; Maury Wills, Bert Campaneris, Luis Aparicio, Jim Fregosi, Zolio Versalles, Ron Hansen and Rico Petrocelli.
        3B: Harmon Killebrew, Dick Allen, Eddie Mthews, Ken Boyer, Ron Santo, and Brooks Robinson.
        CF; Willie Mays, Curt Flood, Vada PInson, Jim Wynn, Al Kaline, Micky Mantle, and Matty Alou.
        LF: Carl Yastrzemski, Frank Robinson, Billy Williams, Lou Brock, Tom Tresh and Leon Wagner. Both Robinson and Williams split time this decade fairly evenly between LF and RF. Robinson more in LF and having a better shot at the first team there. Williams slightly more in RF, but having his best shot in LF.
        RF: Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente, Tony Oliva, Johnny Callison, Rusty Staub, Bob Allison and Frank Howard.
        Last edited by leecemark; 09-05-2008, 08:12 PM.


        • #5
          Black Ink & Gray Ink Scores

          BATTING SCORES: 1961-1969

          The scores noted use the same formula as Bill James' MLB Gray Ink forumula with the exception that OBP has replaced games played garnering one point. Scores are for leading/top ten in the entire league. A total of 157 batters qualified with at least one Gray Ink point.

          Black Ink
          A total of 45 players earned at least one Black Ink point. Players are ordered by Gray Ink score second:

          26 - Aaron H
          25 - Mays W
          25 - Killebrew H
          18 - Cepeda O
          13 - Gentile J
          13 - Alou M
          13 - Morgan J
          11 - Mantle M
          11 - Yastrzemski C
          9 - Brock L

          8 - Pinson V
          8 - Wynn J
          8 - Wills M
          8 - Callison J
          7 - McCovey W
          7 - Clemente R
          6 - Robinson F
          6 - Oliva T
          5 - Williams B
          5 - Rose P

          4 - Cash N
          4 - Wagner L
          4 - Alou F
          4 - Davis W
          4 - Aparicio L
          4 - Jackson R
          4 - Carty R
          3 - Allison B
          3 - Davis T
          3 - Fregosi J

          2 - Mathews E
          2 - Campaneris B
          2 - Kaline A
          2 - Siebern N
          2 - Versalles Z
          2 - Bressoud E
          2 - Johnson D
          1 - Santo R
          1 - Flood C
          1 - McAuliffe D

          1 - Altman G
          1 - Green L
          1 - Tresh T
          1 - Hisle L
          1 - Amaro R

          Gray Ink
          Players scoring 10 or more Gray Ink points are listed. There are 67 total.

          152 - Aaron H
          138 - Mays W
          109 - Robinson F
          92 - McCovey W
          86 - Mantle M
          84 - Killebrew H
          83 - Allen R
          80 - Williams B
          78 - Oliva T
          76 - Yastrzemski C

          65 - Cash N
          53 - Pinson V
          51 - Cepeda O
          51 - Wynn J
          49 - Allison B
          46 - Clemente R
          46 - Wills M
          40 - Santo R
          38 - Callison J
          37 - Mathews E

          36 - Brock L
          36 - Torre J
          35 - Wagner L
          34 - Gentile J
          33 - Alou M
          33 - Stargell W
          29 - Howard F
          29 - Rose P
          28 - Davis T
          27 - Maris R

          27 - Morgan J
          24 - Flood C
          23 - Boyer K
          21 - Campaneris B
          21 - Colavito R
          19 - Alou F
          19 - Fregosi J
          19 - Powell B
          18 - Fairly R
          17 - Davis W

          17 - Kaline A
          17 - McAuliffe D
          17 - Perez T
          16 - Aparicio L
          16 - Hart JR
          16 - Howser D
          16 - Jackson R
          16 - Robinson B
          15 - Altman G
          15 - Siebern N

          15 - White B
          14 - Green L
          14 - Horton W
          14 - Versalles Z
          13 - Carty R
          13 - Groat D
          13 - Staub R
          12 - Northrup J
          12 - Tovar C
          12 - Tresh T

          11 - Hall J
          11 - Petrocelli R
          11 - Smith R
          11 - Ward P
          10 - Freehan B
          10 - Jones C
          10 - Stuart D
          Last edited by J W; 09-11-2008, 01:13 PM.


          • #6
            Since I wasn't involved in this decade I will abstain from voting.


            • #7
              --That is fine if you don't want to. You definately are welcome to participate though. It would be a great way to get caught up on the history of the league.


              • #8
                Preliminary Pitchers Ballot

                SP: Jim Kaat, Juan Pizzaro, Sandy Koufax, Fergie Jenkins, Camilio Pascaul, Gary Peters, Jim Bunning, Bob Gibson, Bob Friend, Juan Marichal, Done Drysdale, Dean Chance, Joe Horlen, Luis Tiant, Denny McLain, Phil Neikro, Jim O'Toole, Earl Wilson, Milt Pappas, Mike Cuellar, Tom Seaver, Larry Deirker, Larry Jackson, Chris Short, Dick Ellsworth, Claude Osteen
                RP: Ron Perranoski, Hoyt Wilhelm, Don McMahon, Eddie Fisher, Lindy McDaniel, Stu Miller, Ron Kline, Jack Baldshun, Frank Linzy, Barny Schultz, Ted Abernathy, Dick Hall


                • #9
                  --I put the ballots for catcher and firstbase up last night. I'll do 2 a day to allow at least some time for discussion. Each will run two weeks - or until every owner votes whichever comes first. That will be about a three week total from this thread going up to the last positions closing for the project.


                  • #10

                    I can't jump in on this guys..out of town on Saturday and my wife has major surgery on Monday and will be in the hospital for 3-4 days...nothing life threatening...reconstructive related to breast cancer two years ago...she is cancer free and healthy but 7!!! hours of surgery...thanks!

                    "I want all of you rookies to line up in alphabetical order by height." Casey Stengel


                    • #11
                      --Best wishes to you and the wife Joe. Take care of her and don't worry about missing anything here. Things will be moving slowly the next few weeks anyway.


                      • #12
                        As I'm putting together my ballot for the All-Decade teams, I can't help but notice the drawback of the mercenary strategy: there are no players who spent the majority of the decade as a Gold Sox. And only one up for consideration whose career as a Gold Sox was the most important part of his career (Johnny Callison).


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by leecemark View Post
                          --That is fine if you don't want to. You definately are welcome to participate though. It would be a great way to get caught up on the history of the league.
                          Ok I will vote I will wait until I get more owners opinions though to base mine off of those. Thanks



                          • #14
                            Knights All Decade Team

                            --As the CKl picks its all Decade Team, the Knights have also announced their franchise All Decade squad;
                            C: Tim McCarver (1963-68)
                            1B: Jim Gentile (1961-65)
                            2B: Junior Gilliam (1961-65)
                            3B: Eddie Mathews (1961-63)
                            SS: Dick McAuliffe (1961-69)
                            LF: Lee Maye (1961-68)
                            CF: Willie Mays (1961-69) - Player of the Decade
                            RF: Billy Williams (1965-69)
                            SP: Camilio Pascaul (1961-63, 65-68) - Pitcher of the Decade
                            SP: Gary Peters (1963-68)
                            SP: Juan Marichal (1966-69)
                            SP: Sonny Seibert (1964-69)
                            RP: Barney Schultz (1961-65)
                            --Most of these guys are career Knights or close to it. Gilliam, McAuliffe, Mays, Seibert and Schultz have never played for anybody else (Leo Cardenas has also been a Knight from 61-69, but didn't make the team). Gentile got a few AB's for the Skipjacks in 1966 before retiring and returning to the Knights as a coach. Pacaul started and finished with the Knights, but did help the Gold Sox to make the playoffs in a one season sabbatical. Peters, McCarver and Maye all would have been career Knights if not for expansion. Those 3 departed in last year's draft.


                            • #15
                              Ooh, I think I'll do that too:

                              C: Johnny Bench ('68-'69)
                              1B: Deron Johnson ('64-'66)
                              2B: Glenn Beckert ('67-'68)
                              3B: Brooks Robinson ('64-'65)
                              SS: Zoilo Versalles ('64-'65)
                              OF: Johnny Callison ('64-'65)
                              OF: Jim Northrup ('68-'69)
                              OF: Felipe Alou ('67-'69)

                              SP: Jim Perry ('66-'69)
                              SP: John Buzhardt ('64-'65)
                              SP: Jose Santiago ('64-'68)
                              RP: Jack Baldschun ('64-'65)
                              RP: Roy Face ('64-'69)

                              Yeah... not a lot of continuity on the north side of the Windy City. I believe Face, Ken Sanders, and Steve Blass are the only ones remaining from the expansion team. And the latter two have just one full season apiece.