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  • 1984 All Star Ballot

    --Time to vote for the 1983 CKL All Stars. Please vote for first and second teamers at each position, votes will be counted at 5 points for 1st team and 3 points for 2nd. There will be a DH/wild card position. You may vote for a player who is primarily a DH there or the 3rd best from another position, whichever you think more worthy of making the team.
    --Vote for 9 starting pitchers, with votes counted 9,8,7,etc. Vote for 3 releiver pitchers with votes counted 5,3,1.
    --Balloting will be open through Thursday,September 12 at midnight EST.
    --Attached are leaderboards expanded to top 25. This will be posted again when we actually get to the break for those who want to hold off til then to vote
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    Last edited by leecemark; 09-09-2013, 08:36 PM.

  • #2
    I'll stump for a few players ....

    On the Tyrants we have a few strong candidates. Lloyd Moseby leads the league in BA/OBP/SLG. Yes he's missed some time, but that kind of slash line from a CF is hard to ignore.
    Kirk Gibson is 6th in OBP, 2nd in SLG, second in HR 2nd in Runs, as 13 steals and only been caught once.
    Ryne Sandberg is having an errorless year in the field at 2B. 15 SB and only been caught twice with a healthy .786 OPS. He's also got 105 hits and 52 runs scored.
    Rookie closer, John Franco has 15 saves (5th) in 16 opportunities and a sparkling 1.98 ERA. He has the second best save conversion rate in the league and the second best Inherited Runners Scored percentage (both behind the excellent Searage).
    Second year starter, Alejandro Pena, is proving his rookie season was no fluke. He's 8 - 1 and an ERA of 2.54 (good for second in the league). He's 2nd in WHIP and first in QS percentage, second in K/BB, 5th in OPS allowed. And did all of this in a hitter's park!

    For the Thunder, rookie sensation Don Mattingly leads the league in RBI. He's got a healthy .792 OPS in a pitcher's park and is batting .305.
    Another rookie sensation Ron Darling is 8 - 1 with a 2.86 ERA (4th). He's got the lowest BA allowed and the second lowest SLG allowed. 10th in WHIP, second in QS percentage, and has the lowest OPS allowed.
    Last edited by Windy City Fan; 09-06-2013, 09:54 AM.
    "I will calmly wait for my induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame."
    - Sammy Sosa

    "Get a comfy chair, Sammy, cause its gonna be a long wait."
    - Craig Ashley (AKA Windy City Fan)

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    • #3
      Alright then, stump time:

      The Skipjacks have gotten off to a 56-28 start, tied with the Corsairs for best record. The biggest contributors for us start with Gary Carter, who is 4th in batting average, 21st in OBP and 10th in slugging from the C position in a relative pitchers' park; he is 6th in the DMCKL in total Runs Created and 5th in the league in total hits. Willie Wilson has done very well batting leadoff, hitting .311 with 40 stolen bases (against just 11 CS - compare to Raines, Henderson & Collins) -- he is 6th in the league in total hits and he has manned a solid CF. We currently have three players with 15+ home runs, more than any other team (Steve Balboni, Brian Downing and Dwight Evans) -- Balboni is 5th in the league in slugging% and Evans is 7th in the league in extra base hits. Evans, Downing, Balboni and Carter all have 30 or more XB hits through the halfway point. Finally, Julio Franco has been a pleasant surprise batting .314 from the SS position.

      We don't really have a starting pitcher that says "all star", but the bullpen is strong with Gene Garber (21/23 saves, 1.56 ERA, 1.09 WHIP) and Bill Campbell (41.2 IP, 1.73 ERA, 1.06 WHIP) keeping it a 7 inning ballgame.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Windy City Fan View Post
        I'll stump for a few players ....

        On the Tyrants we have a few strong candidates. Lloyd Moseby leads the league in BA/OBP/SLG. Yes he's missed some time, but that kind of slash line from a CF is hard to ignore.
        Kirk Gibson is 6th in OBP, 2nd in SLG, second in HR 2nd in Runs, as 13 steals and only been caught once.
        Ryne Sandberg is having an errorless year in the field at 2B. 15 SB and only been caught twice with a healthy .786 OPS. He's also got 105 hits and 52 runs scored.
        Rookie closer, John Franco has 15 saves (5th) in 16 opportunities and a sparkling 1.98 ERA. He has the second best save conversion rate in the league and the second best Inherited Runners Scored percentage (both behind the excellent Searage).
        Second year starter, Alejandro Pena, is proving his rookie season was no fluke. He's 8 - 1 and an ERA of 2.54 (good for second in the league). He's 2nd in WHIP and first in QS percentage, second in K/BB, 5th in OPS allowed. And did all of this in a hitter's park!

        For the Thunder, rookie sensation Don Mattingly leads the league in RBI. He's got a healthy .792 OPS in a pitcher's park and is batting .305.
        Another rookie sensation Ron Darling is 8 - 1 with a 2.86 ERA (4th). He's got the lowest BA allowed and the second lowest SLG allowed. 10th in WHIP, second in QS percentage, and has the lowest OPS allowed.
        --I'll probably be voting for most of these guys. Moseby hasn't exactly missed time though. He has been strictly platooned, so his rates look better than they otherwise would. That said he has been the best CFer and one of the best players in the league. Darling hasn't pitched all that much so he might not quite make my cut. I might vote for Franco ahead of the "excellent Searage". Searge has been amazing, but he is already at 97% of usage and I tend not to vote for guys who have not going to end up having an All Star season (if that's due to overuse not over performance).

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        • #5
          Originally posted by J W View Post
          Alright then, stump time:

          The Skipjacks have gotten off to a 56-28 start, tied with the Corsairs for best record. The biggest contributors for us start with Gary Carter, who is 4th in batting average, 21st in OBP and 10th in slugging from the C position in a relative pitchers' park; he is 6th in the DMCKL in total Runs Created and 5th in the league in total hits. Willie Wilson has done very well batting leadoff, hitting .311 with 40 stolen bases (against just 11 CS - compare to Raines, Henderson & Collins) -- he is 6th in the league in total hits and he has manned a solid CF. We currently have three players with 15+ home runs, more than any other team (Steve Balboni, Brian Downing and Dwight Evans) -- Balboni is 5th in the league in slugging% and Evans is 7th in the league in extra base hits. Evans, Downing, Balboni and Carter all have 30 or more XB hits through the halfway point. Finally, Julio Franco has been a pleasant surprise batting .314 from the SS position.

          We don't really have a starting pitcher that says "all star", but the bullpen is strong with Gene Garber (21/23 saves, 1.56 ERA, 1.09 WHIP) and Bill Campbell (41.2 IP, 1.73 ERA, 1.06 WHIP) keeping it a 7 inning ballgame.


          --Carter should be a unanimous 1st teamer and Garber is a ballot lock for me. The rest are all solid choice, just depends how the ballot ends up shaking out.

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          • #6
            --The Corsairs top players have been rookie SP Doc Gooden and LF/3B George Bell (main question with him is which position he gets the votes in). SPs Andjuhar and Alexander are both worth a look as is RP Willie Hernandez. We platoon a lot which keeps the counting numbers down, but 1B Mike Easler has been amazing in his role. 2B Marty Barret does play everyday and is among the better players at his position. DH Gary Mathews is another everyday guy and sports an OBP well over .400.
            --The Knights don't have any realistic candidates. If you had to vote for somebody from each team I guess Goose Goosage would be their best candidate, but he isn't anywhere near the top relievers so far.

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            • #7
              --Updated leaderboards thru the break. Get those votes in!
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              • #8
                C
                1. Gary Carter - #11 RC, #9 RC/27. superior C to the field, plausible MVP candidate.
                2. Chris Bando - Lumberjaxx loaded this guy's PA toward the first half and he's been amazing in limited duty. 940 OPS, best steal% in league.

                1B
                1. Alvin Davis - #1 RC, #5 RC/27. Darkhorse MVP candidate for the Jaxx.
                2. Kent Hrbek - #14 RC, #19 RC/27. Tough call vs. Keith Hernandez... Hrbek doing great in TC/game but bad error rate.

                2B
                1. Ryne Sandberg - #15 RC. Best glove at 2B by the stats.
                2. Tim Raines - #9 RC. Leads league in SB (50 at 74%). Has actually held his own with the glove.

                3B
                1. Buddy Bell - #2 RC, #3 RC/27. Early batting champ (.354), third in OPS (.922), good defense at 3B. My early season MVP for the Angels.
                2. Mike Schmidt - #12 RC, #8 RC/27. Leader in HR by large margin (27), best defense in league at 3B. Could be MVP if not for Bell.

                SS
                1. Cal Ripken Jr - #8 RC, #12 RC/27. As a SS, another plausible MVP candidate for the Maloy Boys.
                2. Alan Trammell - #18 RC, #24 RC/27. Fine contributor to the Jaxx.

                LF
                1. Dave Winfield - #13 RC, #13 RC/27. Not many full-time LFers... this guy has been errorless so far and is the best bat for the Hard Cider.
                2. George Bell - #10 RC, #17 RC/27. Had to put him here; 3B field too strong.

                CF
                1. Lloyd Moseby - #4 in RC, #1 in RC/27 by a wide margin. Partly platooned, no defense, but the best offensive force in the league so far.
                2. Willie Wilson - #17 in RC, 47 SB at a 81% clip, .370 OBP, good defense in CF.

                RF
                1. Kirk Gibson - #5 in RC, #2 in RC/27. Leading the vaunted Tyrant offense. Plausible MVP candidate.
                2. Dwight Evans - best defender in RF according to stats and good power. Other considerations: Gwynn, Davis, Dawson.

                DH
                1. Rickey Henderson - #3 in RC, #5 in RC/27, 44 SB at a 71% clip. #3 in batting and OBP. Moved to DH here - twice as many errors/game at CF than anyone.
                2. Gary Matthews - #7 in RC, #7 in RC/27. Best OBP in league (.429) on a championship contending team. Sincere apologies to Don Baylor.

                SP
                1. Dwight Gooden - 13-3, #2 ERA, #1 Ks by a good margin, #5 runners/9, 12 QS. Early leader for CYA, plausible triple crown candidate.
                2. Tom Seaver - 9-6, #3 ERA, #1 runners/9, 14 QS. Extreme hard luck pitcher this season.
                3. Orel Hershiser - 10-3, #1 ERA, #2 runners/9, but off the list in QS. Leads 1-2 punch for the Angels.
                4. Dave Steib - 12-3, #8 ERA, #3 runners/9, 11 QS. Leading the Badgers.
                5. Bret Saberhagen - 9-2, #5 ERA, #9 runners/9, 11 QS. Other Angels ace.
                6. Steve Trout - 11-2, #6 ERA, 13 QS. Not terribly good rate stats but doing well for the 50-win Jaxx.
                7. Mike Boddicker - 9-5, #7 ERA, #12 SLG% against. Tyrants have a stellar staff but not so many wins from it.
                8. Ron Darling - 8-1, #10 ERA, #1 batting against and #2 SLG% against. Not used as much but dominant for the Thunder.
                9. Alejandro Pena - 8-2, #4 ERA, #7 runners/9. Nice pitcher for the Tyrants but like Darlling, not as many games started.

                RP
                1. Gene Garber - 24/26 in saves, 1.67 ERA, 1.12 WHIP. Taking the workload well for the Skipjacks.
                2. John Franco - 16/17 in saves, 1.65 ERA, 0.92 WHIP. Future looks promising for this guy. Lots of Angels and Tyrants on the pitching staff.
                3. Bill Campbell - 47 IP, 1.72 ERA, 1.06 WHIP. Homer pick in place of Ray Searage who will not be able to pitch in the All Star game.
                Last edited by J W; 09-10-2013, 10:45 AM.
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                • #9
                  C - Gary Carter, Chris Bando
                  1B - Alvin Davis, Kent Hrbek
                  2B - Ryne Sandberg, Tim Raines
                  3B - Buddy Bell, Mike Schmidt
                  SS - Cal Ripken, Alan Trammell
                  LF - Dave Winfield, Brian Downing
                  CF - Rickey Henderson, Lloyd Moseby
                  RF - Kirk Gibson, Andre Dawson
                  DH - Don Baylor, Gary Matthews

                  SP - Dave Steib, Dwight Gooden, Joaguin Andujar, Tom Seaver, Steve Trout, Doyle Alexander, Bert Blyleven, Don Sutton, Alejandro Pena

                  RP - Ray Searage, Gene Garber, Rich Bordi
                  Dan
                  CKL - Maloy Boys
                  P2PKL - Detroit Tigers

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                  • #10
                    C
                    1. Gary Carter: easily #1 and a legit MVP candidate
                    2. Tony Pena: solid season at a weak position
                    1B
                    1. Alvin Davis: one of many rookie standouts this season
                    2. Kieth Hernandez: OBP trumps Mattingly's RBIs
                    2B
                    1. Tim Raines: sparking the Jaxx playoff drive
                    2. Ryne Sandberg: emerging star
                    3B
                    1. Buddy Bell: MVP front runner
                    2. Mike Schmidt: turning in his usual outstanding season
                    SS
                    1. Cal Ripken another MVP posssibilty
                    2. Alan Trammell: best of the rest
                    LF
                    1. George Bell: actually played more 3B, but Corsairs best bat deserves a spot
                    2. Dave Winfield: earning his big contract
                    CF:
                    1. Rickey Henderson: another MVP candidate
                    2. Lloyd Moseby: dominating in platoon role
                    RF
                    1. Kirk Gibson: super all around season
                    2. Chili Davis: having a very nice season
                    DH
                    1. Don Baylor: booming bat
                    2. Gary Mathews: setting the table for Corsairs
                    --I think this might be the 1st time I've used the Dh spots for 2 actual DHs


                    SP
                    1. Doc Gooden: fireballing rook leads in wins and Ks and 2nd in ERA
                    2. Dave Stieb: another big year for Badgers ace
                    3. Tom Seaver: big encore for 39 year old legend
                    4. Orel Hershiser: emerging ace
                    5. Mike Boddicker: coming into his own
                    6. Steve Trout: unexpected Jaxx ace
                    7. Aljendro Pena: another quality season, but again lite on quanity
                    8. Bret Saberhagen: another super rookie
                    9. Jouquin Andjuhar: Corsair's workhorse

                    RP
                    1. Gene Garber: closing things out in style for Skipjacks
                    2. Willie Hernandez: coming on strong for Corsairs
                    3. John Franco: dominating rookie closer
                    --Ray Searage has actually been the best reliever of the first half, but his season is already over due to excess usage

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                    • #11
                      Really? dang.

                      I adjusted my ballot according to the news regarding Searage.
                      Last edited by J W; 09-10-2013, 10:45 AM.
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                      • #12
                        Here's my 2 cents

                        C
                        1. Gary Carter, Skipjacks - Still producing at an elite level. Big reason the Skipjacks are the leagues best team right now
                        2. Sal Bando, Jax - 2nd best offensive numbers behind the plate and leads catchers in SB%
                        1B
                        1. Don Mattingly, Thunder - 26 doubles and leads league with 76 RBI's while hitting .300
                        2. Willie Upshaw, Dust Bunnies - 17 Homers leads first baggers, while his rbi's and runs are second best at the position
                        2B
                        1. Ryne Sandberg, Tyrants - Great glove edges him over Raines
                        2. Tim Raines, Jax - Best offensive nubers among second basemen
                        3B
                        1. Buddy Bell, Angels - .354 batting average - are you kidding me? What a season so far
                        2. Mike Schmidt, Llamas - 27 Homers . . .are you kidding me?? haha. any other season he would be my first team ballot
                        SS
                        1. Cal Ripken, Boys - Easily the best shortstop in the league so far this year
                        2. Alan Trammell, Jax - the era of light hitting shortstops is coming to an end. Trammell is always in the discussion of leaders here
                        LF
                        1. George Bell, Corsairs – League leader in doubles and second in RBI’s.
                        2. Dave Collins, Angels – unheralded outfielder hitting .310 with 40 stolen bases also ripped 10 triples
                        CF:
                        1. Lloyd Moseby, Tyrants – One of the league’s elite hitters during the 1st half. Leads in OPS by a pretty good margin. Also tied for league lead in triples.
                        2. Ricky Henderson, Boys – Leading the league in runs scored while playing up to everyone’s expectations. On base percentage is great, it’s his .917 OPS that stands out the most
                        RF
                        1. Kirk Gibson, Tyrants - 3rd in homers, and keeping his average close to .300. 2nd in OPS behind teammate Moseby
                        2. Dave Winfield, Hard Cider – Hitting .321 and among the league leaders in RBI’s
                        DH
                        1.Don Baylor, Boys - .322 AVG and 14 Home Runs
                        2. Gary Matthews, Corsairs – Leads league in OBP


                        SP
                        1. Doc Gooden – Corsairs: leads the league in wins and strikeouts while 2nd in ERA. Add it all up and he’s the Cy Young front-runner/ROY runaway
                        2. Steve Trout – Jax: 11-2 record is the best winning percentage among top pitchers. 3.08 ERA is impressive
                        3. Dave Steib – Badgers: Continues to be a top pitcher as he sits 8th in ERA, and 2nd in wins, while also top 10 in K’s
                        4. Orel Hershiser –Angels: leage leading 2.50 ERA anchoring an impressive Angels Staff
                        5. Tom Seaver - Thunder : Been waiting for the old man to slow down. Not this year. Best pitcher on a very good staff.
                        6. Mike Boddicker – Tyrants: Great ERA, and a 9-5 record for the Tyrants
                        7. Rick Mahler – Hard Cider: #3 starter for the Cider has turned out to be their Ace.
                        8. Bret Saberhagen – Angels: Rookie has been excellent for the Angels
                        9. Bert Blyleven – Boys: Another guy who keeps on performing in the twilight of his career

                        RP
                        1. Gene Garber – Skipjacks: Excellent quality at the closer role for the Skipjacks.
                        2. Kent Tekulve – Tyrants: No offense to John Franco, but Tekulve’s 11-2 record from the bullpen is borderline amazing.
                        3. Ray Searage – Angels: He may be done for the year, but he was 26 for 26 in saves, and only allowed 1 inherited runner to score. Wow
                        Last edited by rmadachik; 09-10-2013, 03:59 PM.
                        Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah

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                        • #13
                          C: Carter, Bando
                          1B: A. Davis, Mattingly
                          2B: Sandberg, Raines
                          SS: Ripken, Trammell
                          3B: Bell, Schmidt
                          LF: Bell, Downing
                          CF: Moseby, Henderson
                          RF: Gibson, Winfield
                          DH: Baylor, Mathews

                          SP: Gooden, Hershiser, Stieb, Seaver, Trout, Boddicker, Pena, Saberhagen
                          RP: Garber, Franco, Searage (no one else jumped out and his numbers are sooooo good, I had to put him on even if his season is over)
                          "I will calmly wait for my induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame."
                          - Sammy Sosa

                          "Get a comfy chair, Sammy, cause its gonna be a long wait."
                          - Craig Ashley (AKA Windy City Fan)

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                          • #14
                            C: Gary Carter, Chris Bando
                            1B: Alvin Davis, Wilie Upshaw
                            2B: Ryne Sandberg; Tim Raines
                            3B: Buddy Bell; Mike Schmidt
                            SS: Cal Ripken; Alan Trammell
                            LF: Dave Winfield, George Bell
                            CF: Rickey Henderson; Lloyd Moseby
                            RF: Kirk Gibson; Dan Gladden
                            DH: Don Baylor; Mike Easler

                            SP: Dwight Gooden; Tom Seaver; Steve Trout; Dave Stieb; Mike Boddicker; Joaquin Andujar; Ron Darling; Bert Blyleven; Rick Mahler

                            RP: Ray Searage; John Franco; Don Aase
                            You see, you spend a good deal of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. J. Bouton

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                            • #15
                              C: Carter, Bando
                              1B: A. Davis, Mattingly
                              2B: Sandberg, Raines
                              SS: Ripken, Trammell
                              3B: Bell, Schmidt
                              LF: Bell, Downing
                              CF: Moseby, Henderson
                              RF: Gibson, Winfield
                              DH: Baylor, Mathews

                              SP: Gooden, Hershiser, Stieb, Seaver, Trout, Boddicker, Pena, Saberhagen
                              RP: Searage,Garber, Franco,

                              I do not understand why Searage is penalized because his season is over. Why do we have the All-Star ballot in the middle of the season? To determine who had the best first half. If we wanted to consider who had the best season, we would vote at the send of the season. At the time of the voting, Searage was the CKL best reliever.
                              Illegitimi Non Carborundum

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