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  • #16
    Updated rosters can be posted any time - it's up to the individual owners. All Rich can do is give us a deadline and post his own roster. A compiled FA list would be really handy, but would take more work (although not necessarily from Rich).

    I haven't seen a Rookie list yet, but that seems like a lower priority than the other stuff (mostly because BBRef has it in one easy-to-find place)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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    • #17
      Checking the DM disk, I notice that four players are missing from the Kumquat roster. Three of them - Gene Wright, Bob Rhodes, and Nick Altrock - were listed twice in the Player tab under the Organizer. I assume that means that they played on two different real life teams and will be added to the Kumquat roster in time. The fourth player, Jack O'Brien, was on the Kumquat roster in 1901, was out in 1902, and has returned in 1903. He could be added now, I assume.

      Thanks.

      Jack
      Illegitimi Non Carborundum

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BigRon View Post
        As usual, I'm behind the curve. Has Rich posted or sent out 1903 "rookies"? I know we can get them through BB-Ref, but....
        Rich sent out a preliminary database to the DM game owners. I don't see any preliminary rosters posted here, though. I think Rich will need to get preliminary rosters posted for each team so everyone can review the rosters prior to a free agent list going up. My own particular roster had two or three guys listed who shouldn't have been on it (they'll be free agents), and I think everyone else should get a chance to verify rosters prior to the free agent lists going up. Once the rosters are verified, generating free agent lists is a snap.
        Last edited by catcher24; 11-26-2012, 04:16 PM.
        You see, you spend a good deal of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. J. Bouton

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        • #19
          SP: Rube Waddell, 15.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 5 years, exp 1905 (RFA)
          SP: Joe McGinnity, 10.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
          SP: Bill Dinneen, 8.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
          SP: Tully Sparks, 7.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 6 years, exp 1906
          SP: Bill Bernhard, 6.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
          SP: Kid Nichols, 5.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
          SP: Bob Wicker, 4.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 5 years, exp 1905
          SP: Addie Joss, 3.00M Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, Exp 1908
          SP: Jack Sutthoff, 2.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
          RF: Ducky Holmes, 2.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
          SP: Rube Vickers, 1.50M Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, Exp 1908
          1B: John Ganzel, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
          SS: Dave Brain, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 4 years, exp 1904
          C: Jack Warner, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
          1B: Charlie Carr, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
          SP: Rube Kisinger, 0.75K Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, exp 1908
          C: Fritz Buelow, 0.50K Contract, 1901 draft, 3 years, exp 1903
          SP: Martin Glendon, 0.50K Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, exp 1908
          OF: Harry Arndt, 0.25K Contract, 1902 draft, 7 years, exp 1908


          19 Players = 69.25M

          Free agents

          1B: Pop Dillon, 5.50M Contract, 1901 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
          2B: Tim Flood, 5.25M Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
          2B: Pete Childs, 2.75M Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, Exp 1902
          LF: Lefty Davis, 1.00M Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
          SS: Herman Long, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
          C: Jack O'Connor, 0.75K Contract, 1901 draft, 2 years, exp 1902
          3B: Fred Hartman, 0.75K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
          1B: Hal O'Hagan, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
          RF: Pepper Clark, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
          CF: Jim Jones, 0.25K Contract, 1901 draft/trade, 2 years, exp 1902
          LF: Bill Thomas, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
          RF: Lew Post, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
          3B: Soldier Boy Murphy, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
          2B: Gary Wilson, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
          SS: Ed Glenn, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 year, exp 1902
          2B: Jake Atz, 0.25K Contract, 1902 FA, 1 Year, exp 1902
          My dream ballpark dimensions
          LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
          RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
          Location....San Diego

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          • #20
            Originally posted by catcher24 View Post
            Rich sent out a preliminary database to the DM game owners. I don't see any preliminary rosters posted here, though. I think Rich will need to get preliminary rosters posted for each team so everyone can review the rosters prior to a free agent list going up. My own particular roster had two or three guys listed who shouldn't have been on it (they'll be free agents), and I think everyone else should get a chance to verify rosters prior to the free agent lists going up. Once the rosters are verified, generating free agent lists is a snap.
            Thanks Lew - absolutely everyone should post their rosters here. I hope to have the player profiles finished by Wednesday. At that point I will send out a free agent list and rosters for every owner to verify. I appreciate everyones patience on this. I did not forsee having to do this much work on the database.
            Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything. ~Toby Harrah

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            • #21
              Nick Altrock FA 02-06 $14.75
              George Barclay draft 02 $0.25
              Jake Beckley FA 01-04 $6.00
              Jimmy Burke FA 01-03 $1.00
              Monte Cross FA 01-03 $1.00
              Mike Donlin FA 01-05 $7.00
              Red Dooin draft 02 $0.50
              Patsy Dougherty draft 02 $2.50
              Jack Doyle FA 01-03 $1.00
              Mal Eason FA 01-03 $1.00
              Kid Gleason FA 01-04 $2.00
              Fred Jacklitsch FA 01-03 $1.00
              Billy Lauder FA 01-03 $0.75
              Sam Leever FA 01-08 $15.00
              Bobby Lowe FA 01-03 $0.75
              Pat Moran FA 01-03 $3.00
              George Mullin draft 02 $3.00
              Jack O'Brien FA 01-03 $1.00
              Casey Patten FA 01-05 $2.00
              Bill Phillips FA 01-03 $2.00
              Bob Rhodes draft 02 $1.50
              Cy Seymour FA 01-05 $8.00
              Harry Steinfeldt FA 01-03 $5.00
              Doc White FA 01-08 $10.00
              Gene Wright FA 01-03 $0.50

              25 $90.50

              Free Agents

              James Durham FA 02 $0.25
              Crese Heismann FA 01-02 $0.50
              Jack Lundbom FA 02 $0.25
              Andy Oyler FA 02 $0.25
              Illegitimi Non Carborundum

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              • #22
                So we post preliminary rosters here, then finalize them in the Rosters thread?
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Wade8813 View Post
                  So we post preliminary rosters here, then finalize them in the Rosters thread?
                  Yes, the roster thread really doesn't need to be updated until right before the season starts. At least that is how I always do it.
                  My dream ballpark dimensions
                  LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
                  RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
                  Location....San Diego

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                  • #24
                    Detroit Tigers 1903 Pre-Draft Roster:

                    Code:
                    Detroit Tigers		1903	 Pre-Draft 			
                    				 Contract 		
                     Pos 	 Name 	 Acquired 	 Salary 	 Begin 		 End 
                    C	Bill Bergen	Draft	 $750,000 	1901	-	1903
                    C	Deacon McGuire	Draft	 $2,000,000 	1901	-	1904
                    1B	Frank Chance	Draft	 $10,000,000 	1901	-	1906
                    1B	Roy Brashear	Draft	 $1,000,000 	1902	-	1903
                    2B	Claude Ritchey	Draft	 $6,000,000 	1901	-	1906
                    3B	Lave Cross	Draft	 $5,000,000 	1901	-	1904
                    SS	Bill Friel	Draft	 $1,000,000 	1901	-	1903
                    SS	Bill Dahlen	Draft	 $8,000,000 	1901	-	1905
                    SS	John Gochnauer	Draft	 $500,000 	1901	-	1903
                    OF	Fred Clarke	Draft	 $15,000,000 	1901	-	1907
                    OF	Jimmy Slagle	Draft	 $4,000,000 	1901	-	1904
                    OF	Kip Selbach	Draft	 $3,000,000 	1901	-	1904
                    P 	D Phillippe	Draft	 $10,000,000 	1901	-	1907
                    P 	Harry Howell	Draft	 $4,000,000 	1901	-	1905
                    P	Bill Duggleby	Draft	 $3,000,000 	1901	-	1905
                    P	Chick Fraser	Draft	 $2,000,000 	1901	-	1905
                    P	Ed Murphy	Draft	 $1,000,000 	1901	-	1903
                    P	Happy Townsend	Draft	 $1,000,000 	1901	-	1904
                    P	Charlie Smith	Draft	 $500,000 	1902	-	1908
                    P	Alex Pearson	Draft	 $250,000 	1902	-	1903
                    			 -   			
                    Players		         21	 $80,000,000 			
                    						
                    	 Retired Players 					
                    	Joe Wall					
                    	Doc Yeager					
                    	Rube Ward					
                    	Zaza Harvey					
                    	Steve Brodie					
                    	Bill Magee					
                    	Gene McCann					
                    	Jim Gardner					
                    						
                    	 Non-Tenders 					
                    	Sleuth Fleming					
                    						
                    	Draft Picks Traded To	Year	 Round 			
                    	                Spiders	1903	 1 			
                    						
                    	Draft Picks Traded From	Year	 Round 			
                    	                Spiders	1903	 2 			
                    	                Spiders	1905	 1
                    Last edited by scubadan; 12-05-2012, 11:34 AM. Reason: correct Clarke's rookie contract to expire in '07
                    Dan
                    CKL - Maloy Boys
                    P2PKL - Detroit Tigers

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                    • #25
                      Express drops/ Roster

                      These are the guys that will be dropped from the 1902 Express roster:

                      Free Agents
                      Billy Maloney, c
                      Jack McCarthy, of
                      Ed Poole, p
                      Pop Williams, p
                      Bob Wood, c
                      Chief Zimmer, c

                      Retirements
                      Erve Beck, 2b
                      Bob Blewett, p
                      Red Calhoun, inf/of
                      Luis Castro, 2b
                      Dad Hale, p
                      George Hildebrand, of
                      Red Long, p
                      Mike Lynch, of
                      John McMakin, p
                      Charlie Shields, p
                      Archie Stimmel, p
                      Ed Wheeler, 2b
                      Art Williams, 1b

                      That leaves the Express with the following players (with salaries) entering the 1903 Rookie Draft/Free Agent auction:
                      Andy Coakley, p 2.5M
                      Ernie Courtney, util 500K
                      Red Donohue, p 7M
                      Patsy Donovan, rf 3M
                      Danny Green, rf 6M
                      Tom Hughes, p 2M
                      Bill Keister, rf 5M
                      Roy Patterson, p 4M
                      Jimmy Sheckard, lf 10M
                      Honus Wagner, ss 15M
                      Tom Walker, p 1M
                      Vic Willis, p 8M
                      Harry Wolverton, 3b 2M

                      13 Players @ 66M
                      You see, you spend a good deal of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. J. Bouton

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                      • #26
                        For anyone that may have missed my earlier post, the Express are making any player on the roster available. We are looking for draft picks but would consider the right player as well. We are mainly interested in trading at least one of our three right fielders: Patsy Donovan, Bill Keister or Danny Green. Donovan is in the last year of his contract at 3M and has a 116 OPS+ in 03; Keister is at 5M, final year, 135OPS+; Green is at 6M, is signed through 04, OPS+ of 144 in 03 and 124 in 04.
                        You see, you spend a good deal of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time. J. Bouton

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by catcher24 View Post
                          For anyone that may have missed my earlier post, the Express are making any player on the roster available. We are looking for draft picks but would consider the right player as well. We are mainly interested in trading at least one of our three right fielders: Patsy Donovan, Bill Keister or Danny Green. Donovan is in the last year of his contract at 3M and has a 116 OPS+ in 03; Keister is at 5M, final year, 135OPS+; Green is at 6M, is signed through 04, OPS+ of 144 in 03 and 124 in 04.
                          Your previous post didn't mention Green - you listed Bill Keister, Patsy Donovan, Vic Willis, and Red Donohue

                          I'm possibly interested in a few of your guys, but I have to figure out a few things first
                          Last edited by Wade8813; 11-27-2012, 01:03 PM.
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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                          • #28
                            Laquey Sharks

                            Code:
                            Cy Young		01-08		15 million
                            Fielder Jones		01-08		10 million 
                            Freddy Parent		01-06		8 million 
                            Ginger Beaumont		01-06		7 million
                            Wid Conroy		01-06		6 million
                            Togie Pittinger		01-05		5 million
                            Emmet Hendrick		01-04		4 million
                            Otto Krueger		01-03		2 million
                            Harry Bemis		02+		2 million
                            Jack Thoney		02+		250k
                            Harry Kane		02-05		250k
                            
                            11 players			       59.5 million
                            NOTE: Players listed as "02+" were rookie picks who I haven't decided for sure how long I'll keep

                            Free Agents
                            Scoops Carey
                            Warren McLaughlin
                            Kitty Bransfield
                            Gus Dorner
                            Art Nichols
                            Rudy Kling
                            Peaches Graham
                            Jimmy McAleer (break in playing time - will be a FA in 07)
                            Otto Williams


                            Retired
                            Jim Hughes
                            Charlie Irwin
                            Jimmy Mathison
                            Farmer Steelman
                            Frank Morrissey
                            Bob Dresser
                            Wiley Dunham
                            George Prentiss
                            Fred Brown
                            Sammy Curran
                            Fred Klobedanz
                            Last edited by Wade8813; 11-27-2012, 01:19 PM.
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxgNjMTPIs

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                            • #29
                              Tennessee Pioneers Roster

                              SP-Jack Chesbro (10.0) Drafted 1901, RFA after 1905
                              SP-George Winter (4.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1905
                              SP-Ed Doheny (2.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1903
                              SP-Win Kellum (1.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1904
                              SP-Bob Ewing (3.0) Drafted 1902, FA after 1908
                              SP-Clarence Currie (.50) Drafted 1902, Retires after 1903
                              SP-Lave Winham (.25) Drafted 1902, Retires after 1903
                              SP-Jim Hackett (.75) Signed 1902, FA after 1903
                              SP-Roscoe Miller (2.0) Signed 1902, FA after 1904
                              SP-Highball Wilson (7.0) Signed 1902, FA after 1903
                              SP-John Terry (.25) Signed 1902, FA after 1903
                              C-Mike Grady (3.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1905
                              C-Hughie Hearne (.75) Drafted 1901, FA after 1903
                              C-Lew Drill (1.5) Drafted 1902, Retires after 1905
                              C-Harry Smith (.75) Signed 1902, FA after 1904
                              C-Charlie Dexter (2.0) Traded for in 1902, FA after 1903
                              1B-Dan McGann (5.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1905
                              2B-Dick Padden (2.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1904
                              2B-Billy Gilbert (1.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1904
                              3B-Bill Bradley (8.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1905
                              SS-Tommy Corcoran (.75) Drafted 1901, FA after 1903
                              LF-Joe Stanley (.50) Signed 1902, FA after 1905
                              CF-Harry Bay (2.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1905
                              RF-Elmer Flick (15.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1907
                              RF-Socks Seybold (7.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1906
                              RF-Willie Keeler (6.0) Drafted 1901, FA after 1906

                              Total Salary=86M, 26 Players under contract

                              Free Agents:
                              SP-Harry Felix (.25) Signed 1902, FA after 1902
                              SP-Arch McCarthy (.25) Signed 1902, FA after 1902
                              C-Billy Sullivan (.75) Drafted 1901, FA after 1902
                              1B-Tom McCreery (10.0) Signed 1902, FA after 1902

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                              • #30
                                Rams players dropped for 1903:

                                Gene DeMontreville
                                Joe Bean
                                Dusty Miller
                                Doc Newton
                                Ike Butler
                                Bill Carrick
                                Doc Adkins
                                Harvey Cushman
                                Ernie Ross
                                Dave Williams

                                Code:
                                POSITION	SIGNED	EXPIRES	SALARY
                                			$85,750,000
                                CATCHER			
                                Roger Bresnahan	1901	1908	$15,000,000
                                Jack Slattery	1901	1903	$250,000
                                Jack O'Neill	1902	1908	$250,000
                                FIRST BASE			
                                Buck Freeman	1901	1904	$7,000,000
                                Charlie Hickman	1901	1906	$8,000,000
                                SECOND BASE			
                                Danny Murphy	1901	1905	$3,000,000
                                Tom Daly	1901	1903	$2,000,000
                                Jack Dunn	1901	1903	$750,000
                                THIRD BASE			
                                			
                                Jim Delahanty	1901	1904	$1,000,000
                                Otto Krueger	1901	1903	$2,000,000
                                SHORTSTOP			
                                George Magoon	1901	1903	$2,000,000
                                Heinie Wagner	1902	1908	$500,000
                                			
                                LEFT FIELD			
                                Topsy Hartsel	1901	1908	$10,000,000
                                			
                                CENTER FIELD			
                                Chick Stahl	1901	1905	$5,000,000
                                RIGHT FIELD			
                                Jesse Burkett	1901	1905	$8,000,000
                                			
                                			
                                STARTERS			
                                Al Orth	1901	1906	$6,000,000
                                Frank Owen	1901	1905	$4,000,000
                                Jack Harper	1901	1904	$2,000,000
                                			
                                RELIEVERS			
                                Fred Glade	1902	1908	$2,000,000
                                Libe Washburn	1902	1903	$500,000
                                Joe Yeager	1902	1903	$6,500,000
                                21 players, 85.75M

                                Things I need (in order): a starter, a shortstop, relievers, bench players

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