Manny Ramirez and the HoF?

[efin98]

Manny Ramirez hit his 20th grand slam of his career last night putting him in posession of second place on the all time list, second only to the Iron Horse. It was suggested in the Red Sox forum that he could be on pace to earn a spot in the Hall of Fame.

He is only 88 home runs from 500, is only 161 hits away from 2,000, and has a .314 batting average with one batting title under his cap. He hasn't won the MVP award but has been pretty worth in his career. He has won a World Series MVP award.

Does he have enough momentum to make it into the Hall of Fame when he retires? Does he get in on the first ballot?

[iPod]

Not gonna find too many people on this board who don't consider Manny a HoFer.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Not gonna find too many people on this board who don't consider Manny a HoFer.

I hope his recent BA struggles are NOT a sign of decline. Frank Thomas went from bring a .330 hitter to being a .275 hitter it seemed overnight.

[efin98]

Not gonna find too many people on this board who don't consider Manny a HoFer.

Does the fact that he hasn't won a gold glove nor has he won the MVP nor that he probably won't reach 3,000 hits take away from his Hall of Fame potential?

[klsm54]

Barring an unforeseen decline in his offenive production, he is a shoe-in in my eyes. And very likely, if he continues to accrue stats like he has in the past, a first ballot choice.

[Senor Octobre]

As a Sox fan I AM rather biased, but I think ManRam has definitely done enough to earn a spot in the Hall (as regulars in the Sox forum may know), if you ask me the question is, as efin98 mentioned previously, is he a first ballot HOFer. To me, all he has to do is crack 2000 hits, 450 homeruns and he's all but a lock, but I still think he's in now, just not on the first ballot.

[Senor Octobre]

Not first ballot depending on the year he's up for it, I should add. If its a year similar to this one coming (2006 Class), then he has a good chance of making it 1st ballot.

[Cougar]

A lock, and a probable first ballot. Ramirez is the closest thing to Jimmie Foxx we've seen in our lifetimes.

[CuriousBoston]

Agreed

A lock, and a probable first ballot. Ramirez is the closest thing to Jimmie Foxx we've seen in our lifetimes.

Absolutely.

[Atlanta Braves Freak]

Definetly similiar to Jimmie Foxx. Both are RBI-producing hitters and they can both hit it out the park. In my eyes Manny Ramirez is a second ballot Hall of Famer.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

It would help if Manny won an MVP. I'm a HUGE Manny fan by he way. I've had him on my fantasy teams EVERY year I've played...

[GiambiJuice]

It would help if Manny won an MVP. I'm a HUGE Manny fan by he way. I've had him on my fantasy teams EVERY year I've played...

Manny does not need an MVP to be a first ballot HOFer in my book.

This guy is absolutely incredible! Every time I see Manny the words "professional hitter" jump into my mind (no kidding).

He gets the job done time and time again. 20 grand slams, RBI Machine.

.315 lifetime average. One of only 4 active players to win the batting,HR, and RBI title at least once each in his career.

I know he may not be the most passionate player in the world, and sometimes it seems as if he doesn't even know where he is. But I think that actually contributes to his calmness and cool in tense situations. He realizes that it's just a game and I don't think he ever feels pressure!

I've always felt that he has been the best all around hitter in baseball the last ten years.

Plus I highly doubt that he ever took streroids, unlike Bonds and Giambi.

Although I think Albert Pujols has taken over the mantle of best all around hitter in baseball, I would still put Manny in the top three (though his avg is down this year, he's still leading the AL in HR and RBI).

I'll say it again: Manny Ramirez is one of the best hitters of our era and should be a first ballot Hall of Famer!!!

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Manny does not need an MVP to be a first ballot HOFer in my book.

This guy is absolutely incredible! Every time I see Manny the words "professional hitter" jump into my mind (no kidding).

He gets the job done time and time again. 20 grand slams, RBI Machine.

.315 lifetime average. One of only 4 active players to win the batting,HR, and RBI title at least once each in his career.

I know he may not be the most passionate player in the world, and sometimes it seems as if he doesn't even know where he is. But I think that actually contributes to his calmness and cool in tense situations. He realizes that it's just a game and I don't think he ever feels pressure!

I've always felt that he has been the best all around hitter in baseball the last ten years.

Plus I highly doubt that he ever took streroids, unlike Bonds and Giambi.

Although I think Albert Pujols has taken over the mantle of best all around hitter in baseball, I would still put Manny in the top three (though his avg is down this year, he's still leading the AL in HR and RBI).

I'll say it again: Manny Ramirez is one of the best hitters of our era and should be a first ballot Hall of Famer!!!

Yes, Manny is awesome. I was wondering, how many first ballot HoF position players didn't win an MVP?

[GiambiJuice]

Yes, Manny is awesome. I was wondering, how many first ballot HoF position players didn't win an MVP?

Good question. Probably a lot. Just from recent memory we can start with Boggs. (obviously not including pitchers)

It's funny how people treat the MVP award. People say How can X be a hall of famer if he never won an MVP? Then I posted a thread stating my opinion that Juan Gonzalez is a HOFer.

When I say he won TWO MVPs, people say "he didn't deserve them anyway"

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Good question. Probably a lot. Just from recent memory we can start with Boggs. (obviously not including pitchers)

It's funny how people treat the MVP award. People say How can X be a hall of famer if he never won an MVP? Then I posted a thread stating my opinion that Juan Gonzalez is a HOFer.

When I say he won TWO MVPs, people say "he didn't deserve them anyway"

Oh, I'm not knocking Manny for not winning an MVP. He's had several MVP caliber seasons for sure. I don't don't know that many first ballot HoFer didn't win MVP. I'll have to go check...