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  • sschirmer
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    Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan
    Apparently, it doesn't help him that he won the World Series with the 1979 Pirates and 1987 Twins either, but that's a silly point.
    One would think.

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  • SamtheBravesFan
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    Originally posted by sschirmer
    I agree with this. I'm still somewhat amazed that the writers haven't figured out that he's fourth all-time in k's, and won 287 games on some crappy teams in a lot of hitter friendly ballparks.
    Apparently, it doesn't help him that he won the World Series with the 1979 Pirates and 1987 Twins either, but that's a silly point.

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  • sschirmer
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    Originally posted by Appling
    One reason I support Blyleven is very similar to yours: Bert may have been the best curveball pitcher of all time!

    His outstanding control of a very wicked curveball helped him pass Walter Johnson in career strikeouts, and achieve 287 career wins.

    I agree with this. I'm still somewhat amazed that the writers haven't figured out that he's fourth all-time in k's, and won 287 games on some crappy teams in a lot of hitter friendly ballparks.

    Ghost, you may have developed the splitter, but I still think Sutter's was better than yours.

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  • KCGHOST
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    Bruce Sutter no more developed the split-finger fastball than I did. He was simply the guy who was using it when it caught the media's attention.

    And I have no idea how anyone would prove who had the best curveball. My personal favorite on that front would be Camilo Pascual, but who knows.

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  • Appling
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    Originally posted by sschirmer
    It's my contention that what sets Sutter apart from Gossage and perhaps Smith, is the development of a pitch so widely used after he brought it to the forefront. That probably has a lot of bearing on him getting in. Well, that and his beard!
    One reason I support Blyleven is very similar to yours: Bert may have been the best curveball pitcher of all time!

    His outstanding control of a very wicked curveball helped him pass Walter Johnson in career strikeouts, and achieve 287 career wins.

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  • sschirmer
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    It's my contention that what sets Sutter apart from Gossage and perhaps Smith, is the development of a pitch so widely used after he brought it to the forefront. That probably has a lot of bearing on him getting in. Well, that and his beard!

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  • Appling
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    "Next year it is McGuire, Ripken and Gwynn and all else will be ignored.
    Wake up BBWAA!!"


    I recall reading that Gossage and Rice pulled in over 60% and Blyleven earned approval from something over 50% of this year's voters. Each of the three has seen increased support in each of the past three or four elections.

    So is it even possible that some writers who voted for these players this year, will somehow abandon them in next year's election? After all, they can vote for those glittering first-ballot players (Cal Ripken, Tony Gwynn and Mark McGwire) and still have room on their 10-player ballot for these three as well.

    If I were a voter who believed any (or all) of these 2006 "near-misses" was worthy of HOF election this year, I don't think I would drop them next year just to "make room" for the new "Big Three". There should be room on that ballot for 4 -- or 5 -- or even 6 "yes" votes!
    Last edited by Appling; 02-01-2006, 07:58 PM.

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  • Captain Cold Nose
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    Originally posted by KCGHOST
    Calm down, TF. Take a deep breath and go back through all the threads on this subject since the election and you will see much discussion of the BBWAA's snub of Gossage. We have members who also passionately support the induction of Rice, Dawson and Trammell though not anything resembling a 75% majority. I'll guarantee you this group is far more HoF savvy than the BBWAA and we would not elect those guys. That doesn't make us dumbasses, we are simply a group that disagrees with your assessment.

    And you can't seriously espouse Morris until the much superios Bert Blyleven is taken care of. As for Garvey I assume you were just putting us on
    A well-grounded voice of reason.

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  • KCGHOST
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    Originally posted by Tigerfan1974
    Only 1 inductee? Are they serious? If Sutter, why not Gossage and/or Smith? What about Rice? MAybe Dawson or even Garvey?
    And I am of course preferential to Morris and Trammel, 2 dominant people at their position during their career!

    Next year it is McGuire, Ripken and Gwynn and all else will be ignored.
    Wake up BBWAA!!
    Calm down, TF. Take a deep breath and go back through all the threads on this subject since the election and you will see much discussion of the BBWAA's snub of Gossage. We have members who also passionately support the induction of Rice, Dawson and Trammell though not anything resembling a 75% majority. I'll guarantee you this group is far more HoF savvy than the BBWAA and we would not elect those guys. That doesn't make us dumbasses, we are simply a group that disagrees with your assessment.

    And you can't seriously espouse Morris until the much superios Bert Blyleven is taken care of. As for Garvey I assume you were just putting us on

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  • Captain Cold Nose
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    Originally posted by Tigerfan1974

    Next year it is McGuire, Ripken and Gwynn and all else will be ignored.
    Wake up BBWAA!!
    Barry or Dorothy?

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  • Tigerfan1974
    started a topic BBWAA screwed up again!

    BBWAA screwed up again!

    Only 1 inductee? Are they serious?
    If Sutter, why not Gossage and/or Smith? What about Rice?
    MAybe Dawson or even Garvey?
    And I am of course preferential to Morris and Trammel, 2 dominant people at their position during their career!

    Next year it is McGuire, Ripken and Gwynn and all else will be ignored.
    Wake up BBWAA!!

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