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  • #76
    That darned "fetish" of valuing a walk over an out. Silly people.
    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
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    • #77
      Come on, man. You're better than that. Walks are perfectly fine. They're just not the main object of the game.

      Edit: It's half an hour later and the more I think about this, the more I resent it. I don't like people putting words in my mouth and I especially hate it when people put really stupid ones there. I have NEVER written anything as stupid as that.
      Last edited by Los Bravos; 06-13-2018, 03:00 PM.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

        Next time you're in one of my leagues we will set all of your players to zero walks and let them put the ball in play every time, since you agree that walks are bad:-)


        Once again, you take another person's point to the ridiculous extreme. It gets old.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
          That darned "fetish" of valuing a walk over an out. Silly people.
          Then Eddie Stanky is better than Hank Aaron. He made less outs


          I'm playing Savoy's game.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post
            Come on, man. You're better than that. Walks are perfectly fine. They're just not the main object of the game.

            Edit: It's half an hour later and the more I think about this, the more I resent it. I don't like people putting words in my mouth and I especially hate it when people put really stupid ones there. I have NEVER written anything as stupid as that.
            absolutely right. Your post was about over valuing walks, not that walks have no value.

            Baseball is played in situations. Usually someone has to hit the ball fair. If walks were so devastating, they wouldn't give them intentionally at times.
            Last edited by JR Hart; 06-13-2018, 03:35 PM.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

              Then Eddie Stanky is better than Hank Aaron. He made less outs


              I'm playing Savoy's game.
              We may actually see that post someday. We're in some bizarro universe where Barry Bonds was the best player in history, and Hank Aaron was a "compiler".
              Shalom, y'all!
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              • #82
                Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

                Then Eddie Stanky is better than Hank Aaron. He made less outs


                I'm playing Savoy's game.
                You're the first person I've ever seen suggest that "Eddie Stanky is better than Hank Aaron", whatever your reason. Talk about an opinion that people might not agree with!
                "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
                  You're the first person I've ever seen suggest that "Eddie Stanky is better than Hank Aaron", whatever your reason. Talk about an opinion that people might not agree with!
                  Stanky has a career WAA of 20.3 which is better than quite a few HOFers. Maybe that means us SABR types need to start championing his cause. I mean, he had more WAA than Lou Brock!!! ;-)

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                  • #84
                    What amount of WAA can you pile up by being the most miserably irritating person in a five mile radius?
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post
                      Come on, man. You're better than that. Walks are perfectly fine. They're just not the main object of the game.
                      If there was a player who walked in every plate appearance all season long he would be BY FAR the most valuable player in the league. The object of the game for the offense is to get on base / not make outs. A walk does both of those things beautifully.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

                        absolutely right. Your post was about over valuing walks, not that walks have no value.

                        Baseball is played in situations. Usually someone has to hit the ball fair. If walks were so devastating, they wouldn't give them intentionally at times.
                        When they start giving intentional walks with no one on base, let me know.
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
                          I don't think I've ever seen anybody say that Vlad Guerrero was a low level HoFer. I've especially never seen anyone say he's not as good as Larry Walker or Edgar Martinez.
                          I've seen both of those things here, repeatedly.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                            If there was a player who walked in every plate appearance all season long he would be BY FAR the most valuable player in the league. The object of the game for the offense is to get on base / not make outs. A walk does both of those things beautifully.
                            When if's and buts are candy and nuts we'll all have a merry christmas.

                            Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post
                            I've seen both of those things here, repeatedly.
                            I can't say it's too surprising. There is nothing borderline about Guerrero. I just went to his BB-Ref. page and was going to post some stuff but it's so preposterous that he's anything but a shoe-in I'm not going to bother. I can see Larry Walker being better but Edgar Martinez?
                            Last edited by bluesky5; 06-13-2018, 06:58 PM.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                              If there was a player who walked in every plate appearance all season long he would be BY FAR the most valuable player in the league. The object of the game for the offense is to get on base / not make outs. A walk does both of those things beautifully.
                              Not one damned bit of which I have ever contested.

                              Also, at this point, you should just call that one "Contention Number One" and rewrite that every few days instead of typing it all out. It would save time.

                              Of course, this is how you operate around here. You don't respond to what anyone actually writes or the substance of their arguments. You see a few keywords and you spit out some prefab bumper sticker assertion, whether it fits the thing you're responding to or not.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post

                                You don't respond to what anyone actually writes
                                If you're gonna post something stupid like "the fetishization of walks" you're gonna get stupid in return.

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