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    • #32
      Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

      Not every Republican is a racist, but most racists are Republicans.

      I saw plenty of racism by democrats in city politics (where pretty much the whole city council and administration is democrat). They would play one minority race against another, as well as emphasizing documented versus undocumented status. They don't do that at the state level so much but they definitely do in small groups and one on one conversations.

      I also had city council members tell me that it was important to avoid pushing hispanic people to learn English because when they did, they were more likely to vote outside of party lines.

      I also had teacher's union representatives (officers) tell me that it was critically important to education to make abortion available to ethnic minorities because it had been proved to reduce crime and also made it easier to teach because the population of the school was more homogeneous.

      Also I do think that falsely attributing people's motives to racism IS racism on a couple of different levels. It harms the falsely accused individual because of their non-minority status, and it uses racial minorities as a political tool that doesn't necessarily benefit them. For example, racial minorities are often cited in minimum wage debates even though virtually zero% of minorities below the poverty line have jobs that pay at the minimum wage level (something like 95% of minority families below the poverty line have no family members who are legally employed at all).

      And also arguably there may be some degree to which financial aid and support from the government makes it harder to move from the lower economic class to the middle class. For example, college tuition rates for someone <150% of the poverty line is pretty much zero, but it rises dramatically when income level rises above that level.

      Since only 24% of the population is Republican I find it hard to believe that most racists are Republican. http://news.gallup.com/poll/181475/m...ic-states.aspx

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      • #33
        Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

        I think we are all subconsciously racist. We see black teenagers with their pants worn down low coming down the street and we are more worried about something happening than if we see white teenagers with purple hair and nose rings coming down the street.
        OK, but being aware of someone's race and even interacting with them based in part on their race is different than wanting worse for them because of their race. There is legitimate racial awareness, racial differentiation based on ignorant or illogical reasons, and unfair treatment based on race.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post

          I agree with your posts about as often as there's a solar eclipse, but this is one of those times.

          Just to put it in a baseball context, I remember watching the 1983 ALCS between Baltimore and the Chicago White Sox. At one point during a game, there was a brief snippet of an interview with the Orioles' Tito Landrum. Immediately thereafter, Al Michaels made a reference to "the well-spoken Tito Landrum", as if he was surprised an African American player could speak articulately. I can't imagine hearing that comment after an interview with a white player.
          First off, that's is 35 years ago. It still happens today, but it it is not like Michaels valued him less. I would say that this is a pervasive racial ignorance and dysfunction.

          At this point in my life I have moved from the inner city to a middle class suburb. About 6 months ago I saw someone take a package from my front door right after it had been delivered. I walked out my front door, looked down each street-3 directions and saw a woman walking away and getting into a car that was idling in the street. I walked up to her and asked her if she had seen anything suspicious. At that point her husband came out the front door and he accused me of interrogating his wife because I was racist. Only then, I realized that he was hispanic or middle eastern. I'll add that I grew up in an 80% hispanic neighborhood and would never have had anyone suggest that.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

            Do you dent that most racists are Republicans? You guys have all of the white supremacists and neo-Nazis.
            By FAR I have met more Eugenics proponents from among teacher's union officers than anywhere else.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
              You guys do realize that blacks were not allowed to play in major league baseball until just 70 years ago?

              There are some people on this board who are old enough to remember when MLB was all white. Does anybody really believe that racism that overt would just disappear completely 30-40 years later when black major leaguers were eligible for the hall of fame?

              During my lifetime I saw white and "colored" water fountains and bathrooms in many places. I saw police forces who were all white and would not hire blacks. There's still a big problem now with police and black citizens. People in my own extended family, Republicans of course, tell me that Michelle Obama is an ugly monkey, for instance. This was my aunt. My response to her was that she should look in the mirror sometime.
              George Wallace was a democrat. So was Lester Maddox, so was Robert Byrd. The entire Southern political structure of the 1960s was run by Democrats.

              Six Democratic Presidents owned slaves including the party's founder Thomas Jefferson, who owned more than 600.

              every Republican House member voted for the 13th Amendment, 56 Democrats voted against it.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by brett View Post

                First off, that's is 35 years ago. It still happens today, but it it is not like Michaels valued him less. I would say that this is a pervasive racial ignorance and dysfunction.

                At this point in my life I have moved from the inner city to a middle class suburb. About 6 months ago I saw someone take a package from my front door right after it had been delivered. I walked out my front door, looked down each street-3 directions and saw a woman walking away and getting into a car that was idling in the street. I walked up to her and asked her if she had seen anything suspicious. At that point her husband came out the front door and he accused me of interrogating his wife because I was racist. Only then, I realized that he was hispanic or middle eastern. I'll add that I grew up in an 80% hispanic neighborhood and would never have had anyone suggest that.
                Did you get your package back?
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                  Do you dent that most racists are Republicans? You guys have all of the white supremacists and neo-Nazis.
                  Of course I deny it. It's a ridiculous claim. It's the type of stereotyping one would expect from you.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

                    Did you get your package back?
                    My wife had driven by the house during lunch and grabbed it.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

                      George Wallace was a democrat. So was Lester Maddox, so was Robert Byrd. The entire Southern political structure of the 1960s was run by Democrats.

                      Six Democratic Presidents owned slaves including the party's founder Thomas Jefferson, who owned more than 600.

                      every Republican House member voted for the 13th Amendment, 56 Democrats voted against it.
                      All in the distant past. I am speaking of NOW.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

                        Of course I deny it. It's a ridiculous claim. It's the type of stereotyping one would expect from you.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

                          Of course I deny it. It's a ridiculous claim. It's the type of stereotyping one would expect from you.
                          Can you name a white supremacist or a Neo-Nazi who is a Democrat?
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                            Not every Republican is a racist, but most racists are Republicans.

                            I think we are all subconsciously racist. We see black teenagers with their pants worn down low coming down the street and we are more worried about something happening than if we see white teenagers with purple hair and nose rings coming down the street.
                            So we are all racist, and most of us are Republicans? Or is subconscious racism not really racism? I don't see how these two comments fit together. Do you think that Hilary Clinton is racist (I remember that some accused her after her "hot sauce" interview).

                            What about Jesse Jackson: “There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”



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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                              Can you name a white supremacist or a Neo-Nazi who is a Democrat?
                              Robert Byrd. In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia.[10][11]

                              According to Byrd, a Klan official told him, "You have a talent for leadership, Bob ... The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation." Byrd later recalled, "Suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities! I was only 23 or 24 years old, and the thought of a political career had never really hit me. But strike me that night, it did."[17] Byrd became a recruiter and leader of his chapter.[11] When it came time to elect the top officer (Exalted Cyclops) in the local Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously.[11]

                              In December 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore G. Bilbo:
                              I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.

                              — Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944[11][18]

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