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  • #91
    Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
    I'm kind of in a unique position with racism. I am white and Jewish, and was married to a black Baptist woman for 5 years, and have had other black girlfriends. Many times one of them would call about a job and have a good phone conversation, but when they showed up in person were told that the job was no longer available. I was a DJ for about 20 years from 1979 to 1995. Several times when I was playing in a club some black folks would come in, and the owner would come over and tell me not to play anything but rock and new wave until they left.

    When my father heard I had a black girlfriend (my future wife) he told me that he never wanted to meet her, even if we got married.

    I can cite dozens of other examples of overt racism that I have witnessed in my time.






    I appreciate you sharing your background.
    Personally I think the problem in this world is that many(note that I do not use the word most, even though it might or might not apply.) stereotype people who are different from themselves, sometimes based on personal experience with a small number of those people. I am white. But I have experienced those stereotypes from being part of a different type of population.(If you want an explanation, feel free to PM me.)
    Honestly, I think this thread has gone way off topic and would be best served if it were closed.
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    • #92
      Jim Rice is in, Dwight Evans isn't. Must be racism.

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      • #93
        I don`t believe racism is involved,but Whitaker needs to go in.He is 49th in career War for position players .Even if you don`t have complete faith in War,check out the 48 guys in front of him,they are all top notch- no losers or flukes in the list.Just think,only 48 players since 1876 are ahead of Lou Whitaker!
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        • #94
          Ok I give in

          Whitaker isn't in because of racism

          Neither is Vada Pinson or Dave Parker. It's all because of racism.


          Actually, anything unfortunate that happens to a person of minority status, is because of racism.

          Furthermore, even if a person of minority status commits a crime, it's excusable, because of racism.


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          • #95
            Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
            Ok I give in

            Whitaker isn't in because of racism

            Neither is Vada Pinson or Dave Parker. It's all because of racism.


            Actually, anything unfortunate that happens to a person of minority status, is because of racism.

            Furthermore, even if a person of minority status commits a crime, it's excusable, because of racism.

            Thank god you've come to your senses!

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            • #96
              Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
              Ok I give in

              Whitaker isn't in because of racism

              Neither is Vada Pinson or Dave Parker. It's all because of racism.


              Actually, anything unfortunate that happens to a person of minority status, is because of racism.


              Furthermore, even if a person of minority status commits a crime, it's excusable, because of racism.

              It was all subconscious though. I wonder if we can start calling out subconscious rapist or murderers? Yo I know deep down he wants to rape this person. Arrest him.
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              • #97
                Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                It was all subconscious though. I wonder if we can start calling out subconscious rapist or murderers? Yo I know deep down he wants to rape this person. Arrest him.
                Is Harvard a credible source?

                The simple test that determines if you’re subconsciously racist

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                • #98
                  https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...always-racists

                  NEW ORLEANS—W.K. Kellogg’s (WKKF) 2012 conference kicked off with what is now familiar news regarding racial inequity: Racial inequity exists, and it’s not decreasing. In the conference’s first plenary session titled “Unconscious Bias and Race,” Dr. David Williams, professor of African and African American Studies at Harvard University, cited studies documenting that when Latinos and African Americans were treated by physicians for a broken bone in their leg, they received pain medication significantly less often than white patients with the same injury.


                  Kellogg Conference Plenary Panel

                  Source: Mikhail Lyubansky

                  The data were not new. They came from a 2002 Institute of Medicine report on racial and ethnic disparities in healthcare, which stressed that “a large body of research underscores the existence of disparities.” As examples, the report stated
                  … minorities are less likely to be given appropriate cardiac medications or to undergo bypass surgery, and are less likely to receive kidney dialysis or transplants. By contrast, they are more likely to receive certain less-desirable procedures, such as lower limb amputations for diabetes and other conditions.
                  The data beg an obvious question, and Williams did not disappoint. “How on earth do we make sense of this?” he asked. “How is it possible for the best trained medical workforce in the world to produce… care that appears to be so discriminatory?"

                  The answer, Williams argued, is unconscious discrimination. According to Williams, the research shows that when people hold a negative stereotype about a group and meet someone from that group, they often treat that person differently and honestly don't even realize it. Williams noted that most Americans would object to being labeled as “racist” or even as “discriminating”, but he added, “Welcome to the human race. It is a normal process about how all of us process information. The problem for our society is that the level of negative stereotypes is very high.”

                  Understanding the power of unconscious bias has emerged as a new mission for leaders and advocates working to bring racial healing and racial equity to communities across the U.S.

                  Dr. Gail Christopher, vice president for program strategy at the Kellogg Foundation, explained that centuries of a racial hierarchy in America has left its mark on our society, especially pertaining to how people of color are perceived by whites. “Our society assigns value to groups of people,” she said. “It is a process that is embedded in the consciousness of Americans and impacted by centuries of bias.”

                  Of course, doctors are not the only ones who express unconscious racial bias. Dr. Phillip Goff, assistant psychology professor at UCLA, showed examples of how law enforcement officials can be influenced by unconscious bias not only when it comes to race, but also in regard to what they perceive to be threats to their masculinity. Over 80% of incidents that involved police use of deadly force were preceded by threat to the officers’ masculinity. "’Fag’ is a deadly word,” Goff observed. In fact, Goff’s research suggests that threats to masculinity were much more predictive of deadly use of force (in highly realistic simulation exercises) than explicit measures of racial prejudice. Racism, it turns out, is not necessarily perpetrated by racists but by people who feel threatened for other reasons and are not aware of their racial bias.

                  article continues after advertisement

                  Here's Goff revealing one of social scientists' "dirty little secrets."



                  Goff’s findings may allow us to reconcile the existence of racial inequity on a variety of different indexes with the increasingly popular rhetoric that racism no longer exists.

                  “That is an illusion,” said Rachel Godsil, the director of research for the American Values Institute.

                  The last panelist, john powell, director of the Haas Center for Diversity and Inclusion and Robert D. Haas Chancellor’s Chair in Equity and Inclusion at the University of California Berkeley, elaborated. “The fact that we have these deep, unconscious biases – and it’s conflicted around race … we can be primed to be racially fair, we can be primed to be racially anxious – and it doesn’t make us a racist. It makes us human. And if we’re going to address it, we have to acknowledge that.”

                  article continues after advertisement

                  “There are three types of not knowing,” powell explained: 1. What we can’t know, like how many neurons are firing at any given moment, 2. What we don’t care to know, like the color of the car we pass at a particular intersection, and 3. What we don’t want to know. When we talk about racism, we usually talk about #2 and #3, and those are important conversations to be having. We all need to care. We all need to want to know. But #1 is important as well.

                  Indeed, unless we intentionally go out of our way to learn about and become aware of our own bias, it is likely to spill out at the most inopportune time, like during a stressful traffic stop (in the case of a law enforcement officer) or during a medical emergency in the ER. As powell observed, “when there's tension between conscious and unconscious drives, the unconscious usually wins.”

                  The good news is that it doesn’t have to. We just have to learn to become aware and be willing to acknowledge our own biases and then consciously override them. Denial and professed racial color-blindness only makes things worse.

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                  • #99
                    Laughable.
                    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                    • It's really not much of a surprise that most of the discussions we have around here about the Negro Leagues and the color barrier turn into such a mess, with all of this as the background.
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                      • Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
                        Laughable.
                        beyond laughable

                        academia will go to any length to stay relevant

                        EVERYONE IS A RACIST old news
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                        • Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

                          beyond laughable

                          academia will go to any length to stay relevant

                          EVERYONE IS A RACIST old news
                          I wonder what happens if someone acts racist but subconsciously isn't racist? Can someone with the ability to tap into other people's subconscious enlighten me?
                          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                          • Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
                            academia will go to any length to stay relevant
                            Harvard craves the approval of Lou Dobbs and Steve Doocy.
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                            • No one can see in your mind. It's an obtuse and reprehensible idea. Especially from people who should know better. It's the thought accusations that get the thought police called. These people may have good intentions or they may not (believe it or not I can't read minds) but the means doesn't justify the ends.
                              "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                              • Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post
                                https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...always-racists

                                NEW ORLEANS—W.K. Kellogg’s (WKKF) 2012 conference kicked off with what is now familiar news regarding racial inequity: Racial inequity exists, and it’s not decreasing. In the conference’s first plenary session titled “Unconscious Bias and Race,” Dr. David Williams, professor of African and African American Studies at Harvard University, cited studies documenting that when Latinos and African Americans were treated by physicians for a broken bone in their leg, they received pain medication significantly less often than white patients with the same injury.


                                Kellogg Conference Plenary Panel

                                Source: Mikhail Lyubansky

                                The data were not new. They came from a 2002 Institute of Medicine report on racial and ethnic disparities in healthcare, which stressed that “a large body of research underscores the existence of disparities.” As examples, the report stated
                                … minorities are less likely to be given appropriate cardiac medications or to undergo bypass surgery, and are less likely to receive kidney dialysis or transplants. By contrast, they are more likely to receive certain less-desirable procedures, such as lower limb amputations for diabetes and other conditions.


                                The data beg an obvious question, and Williams did not disappoint. “How on earth do we make sense of this?” he asked. “How is it possible for the best trained medical workforce in the world to produce… care that appears to be so discriminatory?"

                                The answer, Williams argued, is unconscious discrimination. According to Williams, the research shows that when people hold a negative stereotype about a group and meet someone from that group, they often treat that person differently and honestly don't even realize it. Williams noted that most Americans would object to being labeled as “racist” or even as “discriminating”, but he added, “Welcome to the human race. It is a normal process about how all of us process information. The problem for our society is that the level of negative stereotypes is very high.”

                                Understanding the power of unconscious bias has emerged as a new mission for leaders and advocates working to bring racial healing and racial equity to communities across the U.S.

                                Dr. Gail Christopher, vice president for program strategy at the Kellogg Foundation, explained that centuries of a racial hierarchy in America has left its mark on our society, especially pertaining to how people of color are perceived by whites. “Our society assigns value to groups of people,” she said. “It is a process that is embedded in the consciousness of Americans and impacted by centuries of bias.”

                                Of course, doctors are not the only ones who express unconscious racial bias. Dr. Phillip Goff, assistant psychology professor at UCLA, showed examples of how law enforcement officials can be influenced by unconscious bias not only when it comes to race, but also in regard to what they perceive to be threats to their masculinity. Over 80% of incidents that involved police use of deadly force were preceded by threat to the officers’ masculinity. "’Fag’ is a deadly word,” Goff observed. In fact, Goff’s research suggests that threats to masculinity were much more predictive of deadly use of force (in highly realistic simulation exercises) than explicit measures of racial prejudice. Racism, it turns out, is not necessarily perpetrated by racists but by people who feel threatened for other reasons and are not aware of their racial bias.

                                article continues after advertisement

                                Here's Goff revealing one of social scientists' "dirty little secrets."



                                Goff’s findings may allow us to reconcile the existence of racial inequity on a variety of different indexes with the increasingly popular rhetoric that racism no longer exists.

                                “That is an illusion,” said Rachel Godsil, the director of research for the American Values Institute.

                                The last panelist, john powell, director of the Haas Center for Diversity and Inclusion and Robert D. Haas Chancellor’s Chair in Equity and Inclusion at the University of California Berkeley, elaborated. “The fact that we have these deep, unconscious biases – and it’s conflicted around race … we can be primed to be racially fair, we can be primed to be racially anxious – and it doesn’t make us a racist. It makes us human. And if we’re going to address it, we have to acknowledge that.”

                                article continues after advertisement

                                “There are three types of not knowing,” powell explained: 1. What we can’t know, like how many neurons are firing at any given moment, 2. What we don’t care to know, like the color of the car we pass at a particular intersection, and 3. What we don’t want to know. When we talk about racism, we usually talk about #2 and #3, and those are important conversations to be having. We all need to care. We all need to want to know. But #1 is important as well.

                                Indeed, unless we intentionally go out of our way to learn about and become aware of our own bias, it is likely to spill out at the most inopportune time, like during a stressful traffic stop (in the case of a law enforcement officer) or during a medical emergency in the ER. As powell observed, “when there's tension between conscious and unconscious drives, the unconscious usually wins.”

                                The good news is that it doesn’t have to. We just have to learn to become aware and be willing to acknowledge our own biases and then consciously override them. Denial and professed racial color-blindness only makes things worse.

                                __________________________________________

                                For more racial analysis of news and popular culture, join the | Between The Lines | Facebook page and follow Mikhail on Twitter.

                                Creative Commons License This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported License.SHOW17 COMMENTSAbout the Author
                                I for one don't like to stereotype, and when I meet someone I try my best to judge them on their own personal merits and not on my biases. BUT....it has been my observation that not only do the majority of them embrace the stereotypes, but shove them in your face so hard that you are forced to put them in that 'group'.

                                Racism is bad, but if someone is going to completely embrace all the negative aspects of their race that people stereotype them for, they really in no position to complain.

                                If an african american is going to act 'thug', play loud rap music, wear their jeans hanging ground, be lazy at their job, steal, sell and buy drugs etc, then they deserve any racism that comes their way IMO. Let's not pretend that it is totally a one sided thing.
                                Last edited by willshad; 06-16-2018, 05:41 PM.

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