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Willie Mays Says "Get Barry Bonds In!"

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  • Willie Mays Says "Get Barry Bonds In!"

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    I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that a majority of the comments in that article advocate for Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe (neither of which have anything to do with the PED conversation).

    I have to wonder if Mays' comments will move the needle for any voters this fall. The Hall of Fame (meaning its board of directors) is so concerned about how potential election results might fare with the living Hall of Famers when it suits them. Let's be consistent, Mr. Morgan. Willie Mays' opinion is as valuable a contribution to the conversation as yours is.
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    • #3
      I saw Willie's full speech at the ceremony for Bonds. MLB has a video of the hour long ceremony on its site, which delayed the start of the game. Willie made some good points, even though his impromptu speech was rather rambling and repetitive at times. With the start of the game approaching, I could imagine the organizers of the event were sweating bullets wondering how long Willie would insist on speaking.

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      • #4
        Willie is Bond's Godfather; I'm sure he'd like to see him reach the Hall.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
          Willie is Bond's Godfather; I'm sure he'd like to see him reach the Hall.
          Sadly, I was reminded of all the "He is a good boy" TV clips we see in Chicago after family members are interviewed when a youngster is involved in a shooting (usually when they are the shooter). Sorry family members, you are overlooking the obvious...your "good boy" did something horrible.
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            Originally posted by Toledo Inquisition View Post

            Sadly, I was reminded of all the "He is a good boy" TV clips we see in Chicago after family members are interviewed when a youngster is involved in a shooting (usually when they are the shooter). Sorry family members, you are overlooking the obvious...your "good boy" did something horrible.
            That's an insane comp. Taking steroids is in no way "horrible" and is nothing compared to shooting somebody.

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              Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

              That's an insane comp. Taking steroids is in no way "horrible" and is nothing compared to shooting somebody.
              The comparison is for a family member/someone close to the situation showing poor judgment in overlooking the faults of the person being discussed.

              Taking the steroids as horrible is a perspective that depends on each person. The minor and MLBers who lost jobs and/or money to PED users could consider it horrible.
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                Originally posted by Toledo Inquisition View Post

                The comparison is for a family member/someone close to the situation showing poor judgment in overlooking the faults of the person being discussed.

                Taking the steroids as horrible is a perspective that depends on each person. The minor and MLBers who lost jobs and/or money to PED users could consider it horrible.
                Nobody lost a job because of Bonds taking steroids.
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                  Originally posted by Toledo Inquisition View Post

                  The comparison is for a family member/someone close to the situation showing poor judgment in overlooking the faults of the person being discussed.

                  Taking the steroids as horrible is a perspective that depends on each person. The minor and MLBers who lost jobs and/or money to PED users could consider it horrible.
                  That's ridiculous. Bonds was a top all time player, before he took roids. No one lost a job. The whole roid thing is so hypocritical it's sickening. The whole media was in a love fest in 1998 with Mac/Sosa. Then they DECIDED that it wasn't OK?? barf!!

                  There is already at least a dozen roiders in the hall now. When does this insanity stop? Everyone who is down on the roiders now is a giant hypocrite.
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                    Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

                    That's ridiculous. Bonds was a top all time player, before he took roids. No one lost a job. The whole roid thing is so hypocritical it's sickening. The whole media was in a love fest in 1998 with Mac/Sosa. Then they DECIDED that it wasn't OK?? barf!!

                    There is already at least a dozen roiders in the hall now. When does this insanity stop? Everyone who is down on the roiders now is a giant hypocrite.
                    This post is ridiculous...
                    • No, public opinion decided it wasn't ok. Then the writers followed, then the MLBPA & MLB started banning PED's in 2006 and thus the BBWAA didn't elect known users to the HoF.
                    • Is this an "alternative fact"?
                    • Every sports league in the world bans PED's including the Olympics, Le Tour de France, the NFL, the English Premier League, etc., etc., etc.
                    Also, where have you been? I feel like you haven't posted in weeks.
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                      [QUOTE=bluesky5;n3491166]

                      This post is ridiculous...[*]No, public opinion decided it wasn't ok. Then the writers followed,

                      As I said >>> hypocrites!!!

                      then the MLBPA & MLB started banning PED's in 2006 and thus the BBWAA didn't elect known users to the HoF.

                      so those who used before 2006 were retroactively out??? That's ridiculously unfair.[*]Is this an "alternative fact"?

                      At least a dozen of these guys roided: If you don't believe it, then you are naive. [*]Every sports league in the world bans PED's including the Olympics, Le Tour de France, the NFL, the English Premier League, etc., etc., etc.

                      I didn't mean to infer that there should't be testing
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                      • #12
                        [QUOTE=JR Hart;n3491168]
                        Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                        This post is ridiculous...[*]No, public opinion decided it wasn't ok. Then the writers followed,

                        As I said >>> hypocrites!!!

                        then the MLBPA & MLB started banning PED's in 2006 and thus the BBWAA didn't elect known users to the HoF.

                        so those who used before 2006 were retroactively out??? That's ridiculously unfair.[*]Is this an "alternative fact"?

                        At least a dozen of these guys roided: If you don't believe it, then you are naive. [*]Every sports league in the world bans PED's including the Olympics, Le Tour de France, the NFL, the English Premier League, etc., etc., etc.

                        I didn't mean to infer that there should't be testing
                        None of them came close to the ridiculous stats Bonds put up. Most of them didn't even do as well as Mcgwire, Sosa, or Giambi did in their best seasons. Either these guys were clean, or those others were juicing way more than they did.

                        Last edited by willshad; 08-13-2018, 10:32 AM.

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                        • #13
                          No evidence or accusations against any of those guys regarding PED's. The only one with any accusations is Pudge Rodriguez. More b.s. from you because Bonds can't get elected.
                          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                            [QUOTE=willshad;n3491170]
                            Originally posted by JR Hart View Post

                            None of them came close to the ridiculous stats Bonds put up. Most of them didn't even do as well as Mcgwire, Sosa, or Giambi did in their best seasons. Either these guys were clean, or those others were juicing way more than they did.
                            Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
                            No evidence or accusations against any of those guys regarding PED's. The only one with any accusations is Pudge Rodriguez. More b.s. from you because Bonds can't get elected.
                            So there's no chance that any of these guys roided??

                            That's just preposterous!!! Hello ostriches.

                            Again, at least a dozen of these guys roided: If you don't believe it, then you are naive.



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                              Fakeee Newsss
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