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  • Future Today's Game Candidates

    Maintaining this as a point of reference.

    ALL CAPS indicates an executive, manager or umpire.
    (BBWAA) indicates the player currently retains his BBWAA eligibility.
    (20xx) indicates previous appearance(s) on the Today's Game ballot

    2022 TODAY'S GAME CANDIDATES (Through 2006 Retirees)
    SANDY ALDERSON
    Kevin Appier
    DUSTY BAKER
    Albert Belle (2017, 2019)
    Kevin Brown
    Brett Butler
    Jose Canseco
    Will Clark (2017, 2019)
    David Cone
    JERRY CRAWFORD
    Eric Davis
    BILL DEWITT JR.
    Tony Fernandez
    Chuck Finley
    John Franco
    BRUCE FROEMMING
    CITO GASTON
    Juan Gonzalez
    Mark Grace
    JOHN HART
    Tom Henke
    JOHN W. HENRY
    Orel Hershiser (2017, 2019)
    JOHN HIRSCHBECK
    WALT JOCKETTY
    DAVEY JOHNSON (2017, 2019)
    Wally Joyner
    David Justice
    Jimmy Key
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Mark Langston
    JIM LEYLAND
    CHARLIE MANUEL (2019)
    Dennis Martinez
    TIM MCCLELLAND
    Fred McGriff
    Mark McGwire - (2017)
    ED MONTAGUE
    John Olerud
    Rafael Palmeiro
    Tony Phillips
    LOU PINIELLA (2017, 2019)
    BRIAN SABEAN
    Bret Saberhagen
    BUCK SHOWALTER
    GEORGE STEINBRENNER (2017, 2019)
    Darryl Strawberry
    Robin Ventura
    Frank Viola
    Larry Walker
    TIM WELKE
    Devon White
    Bernie Williams
    Matt Williams


    2024 TODAY'S GAME CANDIDATES (2007-2008 Retirees)
    Moises Alou
    Barry Bonds (BBWAA)
    Roger Clemens (BBWAA)
    Steve Finley
    Keith Foulke
    Julio Franco
    Luis Gonzalez
    Shawn Green
    Orlando Hernandez
    Jeff Kent (BBWAA)
    Kenny Lofton
    Mike Mussina (BBWAA)
    Kenny Rogers
    Reggie Sanders
    Curt Schilling (BBWAA)
    MIKE SCIOSCIA
    Sammy Sosa (BBWAA)



    2027 TODAY'S GAME CANDIDATES (2009-2011 Retirees)
    Mike Cameron
    Carlos Delgado
    J.D. Drew
    Jim Edmonds
    Nomar Garciaparra
    Brian Giles
    Troy Glaus
    Jason Kendall
    Derrek Lee
    Magglio Ordonez
    Jorge Posada
    Manny Ramirez (BBWAA)
    Gary Sheffield (BBWAA)
    Javier Vazquez
    Billy Wagner (BBWAA)


    2029 TODAY'S GAME CANDIDATES (2012-2013 Retirees)
    Lance Berkman (BBWAA)
    Chris Carpenter
    Johnny Damon
    Roy Halladay (BBWAA)
    Todd Helton (BBWAA)
    Andruw Jones (BBWAA)
    Jamie Moyer
    Roy Oswalt (BBWAA)
    Andy Pettitte (BBWAA)
    Placido Polanco (BBWAA)
    Mariano Rivera (BBWAA)
    Scott Rolen (BBWAA)
    Johan Santana
    Miguel Tejada (BBWAA)
    Omar Vizquel (BBWAA)
    Kevin Youkilis (BBWAA)
    Carlos Zambrano


    2032 TODAY'S GAME CANDIDATES (2014-2016 Retirees)
    Bobby Abreu
    Josh Beckett
    Mark Buehrle
    Eric Chavez
    Carl Crawford
    Jason Giambi
    Tim Hudson
    Torii Hunter
    Derek Jeter
    Cliff Lee
    Joe Nathan
    David Ortiz
    Jonathan Papelbon
    Jake Peavy
    Alex Rodriguez
    Jimmy Rollins
    Mark Teixeira


    2034 TODAY'S GAME CANDIDATES (2017-2018 Retirees)
    Carlos Beltran
    Adrian Beltre
    Matt Cain
    John Lackey
    Joe Mauer
    Francisco Rodriguez
    Carlos Ruiz
    Ichiro Suzuki
    Chase Utley
    David Wright
    Last edited by Chadwick; 12-17-2018, 02:37 PM.
    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

  • #2
    my HOF choices for each election (I'm assuming each now-on-ballot player gets passed for purposes of this list)

    2019
    Albert Belle
    David Cone
    Orel Hershiser
    Mark McGwire
    Bret Saberhagen

    2022
    Kevin Brown
    Edgar Martinez (BBWAA)
    Fred McGriff (BBWAA)
    Rafael Palmeiro
    Larry Walker (BBWAA)

    2024
    Barry Bonds (BBWAA)
    Roger Clemens (BBWAA)
    Jeff Kent (BBWAA)
    Kenny Lofton
    Mike Mussina (BBWAA)
    Curt Schilling (BBWAA)
    Mike Mussina

    2027
    Jim Edmonds
    Manny Ramirez (BBWAA)
    Billy Wagner (BBWAA)

    2029
    Lance Berkman (BBWAA)
    Roy Halladay (BBWAA)
    Todd Helton (BBWAA)
    Andruw Jones (BBWAA)
    Andy Pettitte (BBWAA)
    Mariano Rivera (BBWAA) shouldn't even be listed here, his induction this year is a foregone conclusion
    Scott Rolen (BBWAA)
    Johan Santana

    2032
    Mark Buehrle
    Tim Hudson
    Torii Hunter
    Derek Jeter (again why is he here when he's a first-ballot lock)
    David Ortiz
    Jonathan Papelbon
    Alex Rodriguez

    2034
    Carlos Beltran
    Adrian Beltre
    Joe Mauer
    Ichiro Suzuki
    Chase Utley

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    • #3
      Here is a modified version, showing my top candidates among the players I think will not be elected by the BBWAA:

      Bobby Abreu (2032)
      Kevin Appier (2022)
      Albert Belle
      Lance Berkman (2029)
      Barry Bonds (2024)
      Kevin Brown (2022)
      Mark Buehrle (2032)
      Will Clark
      Roger Clemens (2024)
      David Cone
      Jim Edmonds (2027)
      Chuck Finley
      Nomar Garciaparra (2027)
      Jason Giambi (2032)
      Todd Helton (2029)
      Orel Hershiser
      Tim Hudson (2032)
      Andruw Jones (2029)
      Jeff Kent (2024)
      Kenny Lofton (2024)
      Joe Mauer (2034)
      Fred McGriff (2022)
      Mark McGwire
      John Olerud (2022)
      Roy Oswalt (2029)
      Rafael Palmeiro (2022)
      Andy Pettitte (2029)
      Tony Phillips
      Jorge Posada (2027)
      Manny Ramirez (2027)
      Alex Rodriguez (2032)
      Scott Rolen (2029)
      Bret Saberhagen
      Johan Santana (2029)
      Gary Sheffield (2027)
      Lee Smith
      Sammy Sosa (2024)
      Mark Teixeira (2032)
      Miguel Tejada (2029)
      Chase Utley (2034)
      Robin Ventura (2022)
      Billy Wagner (2027)
      Larry Walker (2022)
      Bernie Williams (2022)
      David Wright (2034)

      FYI - this assumes that the BBWAA elects Mariano Rivera, Edgar Martinez, Derek Jeter, Mike Mussina, Curt Schilling, David Ortiz, Carlos Beltran, Adrian Beltre and Ichiro Suzuki from the original list. That's nine candidates from among the 2019 ballot plus the newcomers over the next five elections (though some may take the maximum 10 ballots to gain that election by the writers).

      I don't see the Today's Game voters putting anyone from this group in except Lee Smith, Fred McGriff and some more non-players, even as the bottleneck moves from the BBWAA to that committee, aggressively bloating from one election to the next.

      Despite it's laughably shallow pool of serious candidates in its 2017 debut (which is still, though somewhat less, true in 2019), the Today's Game Era will exceed the number of overlooked-but-deserving stars presently found in the Modern Baseball Era. Fifteen years is a generation and it will be gone in the blink of an eye.

      Gee....I can't wait until my retirement years when I'm still pounding away on the keyboard about the injustices done Larry Walker or Scott Rolen. Their only real hope is stacking the Today's Game Committee with contemporary players/GMs and younger sportswriters. Fat chance of that happening until Joe Morgan's tenure on the board of directors ends.

      Ugh.
      "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
      "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
      "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
      "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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      • #4
        I almost forgot. My prediction for Omar Vizquel is that he will climb to majority support, but not much farther as he will become the new "Jack Morris", but with more analytically-minded voters than Morris was up against. That means Vizquel lasts 10 years with the BBWAA (2018-2027) and becomes a TG candidate in 2029. The TG screening committee is comprised almost exclusively of veteran BBWAA voters, which means Vizquel will be a perennial eyesore on those ballots too and the voters being composed as they are will almost certainly agree that he belongs at some point.

        History will repeat itself, as it were, and that will be irksome.
        "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
        "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
        "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
        "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

        Comment


        • #5
          Obviously, some guys (Rivera, Jeter, Beltre, Ichiro) won't have to rely on the VC, but here are the guys I kind of like for the HOF...

          2019 Today’s Game (thru 2003 retirements)
          Bret Saberhagen

          2022 Today’s Game (add 2004-2006 retirements)
          John Franco (I don't really support him for the HOF, but he played for the Reds)
          Edgar Martinez (BBWAA)
          Fred McGriff (BBWAA)
          Larry Walker (BBWAA)

          2024 Today’s Game (add 2007-2008 retirements)
          Jeff Kent (BBWAA)
          Mike Mussina (BBWAA)
          Curt Schilling (BBWAA)

          2027 Today’s Game (add 2009-2011 final seasons)
          Carlos Delgado (maybe...I just hate to have a blank year)

          2029 Today’s Game (add 2012-2013 final seasons)
          Roy Halladay (BBWAA)
          Todd Helton (BBWAA)
          Mariano Rivera (BBWAA)
          Scott Rolen (BBWAA)

          2032 Today’s Game (add 2014-2016 final seasons)
          Derek Jeter (obviously will be in long before this, but there's no one else on the list I support even a little)

          2034 Today’s Game (add 2017-2018 final seasons)
          Carlos Beltran
          Adrian Beltre
          Joe Mauer
          Ichiro Suzuki
          Chase Utley
          The Writer's Journey

          Comment


          • #6
            Updated through the 2019 Today's Game Committee results.
            "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
            "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
            "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
            "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
              Maintaining this as a point of reference.
              Thanks for putting this list together, Chadwick! Just a heads up, you have Mike Mussina on the 2024 list twice.

              Here are the players that could appear on each I would support for the HOF. * indicates a player I do not personally endorse, but think will get elected and bold indicate who I think will be inducted who I do support. Too much speculation involved for me to speculate beyond 2027:


              2022 TODAY'S GAME CANDIDATES (Through 2006 Retirees)

              Kevin Brown
              David Cone
              Tom Henke
              Orel Hershiser
              JIM LEYLAND
              *Fred McGriff - He is not in my pHOF, but with the recent inductions, seems like a logical induction.
              Mark McGwire
              Rafael Palmeiro
              GEORGE STEINBRENNER
              Larry Walker
              Bernie Williams - It will not surprise me if he is inducted and IMO, he is an underrated, deserving candidate.


              2024 TODAY'S GAME CANDIDATES (2007-2008 Retirees)

              Barry Bonds (BBWAA)
              Roger Clemens (BBWAA)
              Jeff Kent (BBWAA)
              *Kenny Lofton - I do not support him, but he seems like a likely induction candidate
              Mike Mussina (BBWAA)
              Curt Schilling (BBWAA)
              Sammy Sosa (BBWAA)

              2027 TODAY'S GAME CANDIDATES (2009-2011 Retirees)

              Jorge Posada
              Manny Ramirez (BBWAA)
              Billy Wagner (BBWAA)

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              • #8
                The 2019 ballot had the following candidates remain unelected after the election:

                Players
                Albert Belle
                Joe Carter
                Will Clark
                Orel Hershiser

                Managers
                Davey Johnson
                Charlie Manuel
                Lou Piniella

                Executives
                George Steinbrenner

                Umpires
                none

                In thinking about the 2022 ballot, let me begin with the easy ones.

                Umpires - no umpire from this era has a compelling case such that he deserves a spot over any other candidate at this point. If enough members of the Historical Overview Committee (HOC) believe otherwise, there's no scuttlebutt to indicate. It's highly unlikely that we see an umpire added.

                Executives - Walt Jocketty will be the most prominent case available in this category, other than Steinbrenner, who has been on both TG ballots to date. Steinbrenner was included in 2017, when there were three executives on the ballot so the HOC evidently has the hots for him (even if the voters don't). Jocketty might be added as a second executive - Rick Hummell is on the HOC after all and this year's voters included several of Jocketty's contemporaries and his favorite manager (Tony LaRussa). It's a decent possibility.

                Managers - What's not a strong possibility is the addition of Leyland and Baker to the ballot, particularly if it comes at the expense of Piniella (no way), Johnson or Manuel (only slightly more likely). Both were eligible this year, both are better candidates and the HOC, aware that both were eligible, did not view them as superior candidates to the three who made the ballot. That point of view isn't likely to change over the next three years. Barring future employment before then, Buck Showalter will be eligible, but is surely seen as less compelling than Leyland/Baker so that's that.

                So that's the four remaining non-players plus (possibly) Walt Jocketty. That leaves us 5 spaces, maybe 6 with a compelling case, for the players.

                Players - If Mark McGwire isn't making the ballot in 2019, then Rafael Palmeiro and Kevin Brown have no shot at it in 2022, particularly with Joe Morgan overseeing the process and naming the electorate. (He named himself to the electorate this year just to be sure.) No way the HOC exercises any judgment in opposition to Morgan's (well-known) sentiments. David Cone and Bret Saberhagen are viewed by the HOC as inferior to Hershiser so that's not happening either.

                So we have Albert Belle, Joe Carter, Will Clark and Orel Hershiser plus 1-2 more players. The most likely of which may land on the ballot are Fred McGriff and maybe Larry Walker or Bernie Williams.

                So here's my prediction for 2022: the same eight guys from 2019 plus Fred McGriff (makes 9) plus one of Walt Jocketty, Larry Walker or Bernie Williams. My guess is Walker gets that 10th spot, but I wouldn't bet money on it.

                Nowhere near the ballot that the Hall of Fame needs, but it's probably the one we're going to be fed.
                "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

                Comment


                • #9
                  This is the ballot I would prefer, incidentally:

                  Dusty Baker
                  David Cone
                  Walt Jocketty
                  Jim Leyland
                  Fred McGriff
                  Mark McGwire
                  Rafael Palmeiro
                  Lou Piniella
                  Bret Saberhagen
                  Larry Walker

                  Kevin Brown was a tough drop, but he's not getting support if McGwire and Palmeiro aren't. I dropped Steinbrenner, who has been getting no traction, but I retained Piniella for similar reasons - I wish he'd been elected this year. One vote shy is a tough pill to swallow when he's blocking Leyland and Baker's progress.

                  The above would be the "best" ballot I think they could come up with. I only see three of these candidates as likely to actually make the 2022 ballot though. Too bad.
                  "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                  "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                  "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                  "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

                  Comment

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