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  • jalbright
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    The players from this group moving on to the winners bracket are K. Brown, Bunning, Feller and Start. The rest go into the loser's bracket. The official results:

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    84 Bob Feller
    64 Jim Bunning
    60 Kevin Brown
    43 Joe Start
    33 Chuck Finley
    25 Jim Kaat
    20 Charley Jones
    7 Doug DeCinces

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  • BigRon
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    Don't know what to do about these really oldtime players.

    1. Feller
    2. Bunning
    3. Brown
    4. Finley
    5. Kaat
    6. Start
    7. Jones
    8. DeCinces

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  • Jar of Flies
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    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
    I'm surprised to see Charley Jones ranked as high as 5th on some ballots. As far as I know, he had 3 standout seasons, two of which were in the AA and one of which was in the very early days of the NL. There's not enough career bulk or pioneering elements to his career to justify ranking him ahead of any of the other players in this group, IMO.
    REALLY old thread, but some great groundwork done by Paul Wendt reviewing Charley Jones and Lip Pike's pre-NA careers, Charley appears to have been ready for the bigs a year or two before his first full season of 1876 at age 24:
    http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/...jones_lip_pike

    Jones was also blacklisted from the game, for two prime years, and for actions from management that is likely accepted today, how are these seasons handled?

    His AA big years were during the peak of the league when the St. Louis Browns defeated the Chicago White Stockings in the playoffs.

    I would have given Charley the #3 spot in group 2 if he were slotted in with them.

    His case is anything but straight forward, but I support his induction to the HOF/this one.

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  • dgarza
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    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
    I'm surprised to see Charley Jones ranked as high as 5th on some ballots. As far as I know, he had 3 standout seasons, two of which were in the AA and one of which was in the very early days of the NL. There's not enough career bulk or pioneering elements to his career to justify ranking him ahead of any of the other players in this group, IMO.
    That's not how I see him.

    I see a player who was in the Top 10 WAR six seasons; Top 5 four seasons.
    I see a player who was in the Top 10 OPS+ eight seasons; Top 5 six season; Top 3 three seasons.
    I see a player who was in the Top 10 SLG eight seasons; Top 5 five seasons.
    I see a player who was in the Top 5 triples five seasons.
    I see a player who was in the Top 5 HRs eight seasons; Top 3 six seasons.
    Etc.

    I see a player with a ton of power and Extra-Base Hits across much of his career.
    I would say he had 6-8 "damn good" to "great" years.

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  • jjpm74
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    I'm surprised to see Charley Jones ranked as high as 5th on some ballots. As far as I know, he had 3 standout seasons, two of which were in the AA and one of which was in the very early days of the NL. There's not enough career bulk or pioneering elements to his career to justify ranking him ahead of any of the other players in this group, IMO.

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  • Jar of Flies
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    Originally posted by dgarza

    No. I have limited time on my hands. And really I'm more interested in communal threads rather than ones devoted to any one individual's approach/concept/blogging.

    And honestly, I shouldn't have to be familiar with one person's "personal thread" to know what we're talking about in this thread.
    You guys are both correct, you shouldn't have to be familar with Jim's Musings, but Savoy is correct in saying that it's the best thing at Fever or at least quite impressive and valuable to all of us.

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  • Troublesome
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    1. Bob Feller
    2. Kevin Brown
    3. Jim Bunning
    4. Jim Kaat
    5. Chuck Finley
    6. Joe Start
    7. Charley Jones
    8. Doug DeCinces

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    1. Feller
    2. Brown
    3. Bunning
    4. Start
    5. Jones
    6. Finley
    7. Kaat
    8. DeCinces

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  • Jar of Flies
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    Stacked ballot, particularly compared to round 2:

    1. Bob Feller
    2. Kevin Brown
    3. Jim Bunning
    4. Joe Start
    5. Charley Jones
    6. Jim Kaat

    7. Chuck Finley
    8. Doug DeCinces

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  • John Shoemaker
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    1. Bob Feller
    2. Jim Bunning
    3. Kevin Brown
    4. Joe Start
    5. Chuck Finley
    6. Jim Kaat
    7. Charley Jones
    8. Doug DeCinces

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  • jjpm74
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    1. Bob Feller
    2. Jim Bunning
    3. Kevin Brown
    4. Joe Start
    5.Jim Kaat
    6. Doug DeCiinces
    7. Chuck Finley
    8. Charley Jones

    Very tough call after 1 and 2. Kaat, Brown and Start are very close and all above the line for me.

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  • dgarza
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    1. Bob Feller
    2. Kevin Brown
    3. Jim Bunning
    -----HOF-----
    4. Jim Kaat
    5. Chuck Finley
    6. Charley Jones
    7. Joe Start
    8. Doug DeCinces
    Last edited by dgarza; 12-01-2018, 05:34 PM.

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  • Chadwick
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    1. Bob Feller
    2. Jim Bunning
    3. Kevin Brown
    4. Joe Start
    5. Chuck Finley
    6. Charley Jones
    7. Doug DeCinces
    8. Jim Kaat

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  • PVNICK
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    1. Bob Feller
    2. Joe Start
    3. Jim Bunning
    4. Kevin Brown
    5. Chuck Finley
    6. Charley Jones
    7. Jim Kaat
    8. Doug DeCinces

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  • NJRob65
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    1. Bob Feller
    2. Kevin Brown
    3. Chuck Finley
    4. Jim Bunning
    5. Doug DeCinces
    6. Joe Start
    7. Charley Jones
    8. Jim Kaat

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