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  • #31
    1909 Eligibles
    (Born prior to 1869)

    New eligibles include Jesse Burkett, Frank Dwyer, Silver King, Mike Smith and Jack Stivetts.

    Pitchers
    Bud Fowler
    Bobby Mathews
    Jim McCormick
    George Stovey
    Mickey Welch

    Batters
    Jake Beckley
    Jesse Burkett
    Cupid Childs
    Hugh Duffy
    Cal McVey
    Lip Pike
    Ezra Sutton
    Sam Thompson
    George Van Haltren
    Ned Williamson

    Jesse Burkett and Cupid Childs are the winners this year.
    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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    • #32
      1910 Eligibles
      (Born prior to 1870)

      New eligibles include Ted Breitenstein, Clark Griffith, Hughie Jennings and Kid Nichols.

      Pitchers
      Bud Fowler
      Clark Griffith
      Bobby Mathews
      Jim McCormick
      Kid Nichols
      George Stovey
      Mickey Welch

      Batters
      Jake Beckley
      Hugh Duffy
      Cal McVey
      Lip Pike
      Ezra Sutton
      Sam Thompson
      George Van Haltren
      Ned Williamson

      Clark Griffith and Kid Nichols make this a year for newbies.
      "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
      "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
      "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
      "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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      • #33
        1911 Eligibles
        (Born prior to 1871)

        New eligibles include Jimmy Collins, Bill Dahlen and George Davis.

        Pitchers
        Bud Fowler
        Bobby Mathews
        Jim McCormick
        George Stovey
        Mickey Welch

        Batters
        Jake Beckley
        Jimmy Collins
        Bill Dahlen
        George Davis
        Hugh Duffy
        Cal McVey
        Lip Pike
        Ezra Sutton
        Sam Thompson
        George Van Haltren
        Ned Williamson

        Give me George Davis and Bill Dahlen seven days a week and twice on Sundays.
        "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
        "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
        "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
        "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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        • #34
          It's too late, but why Charlie Buffinton or at least why before Mullane and over McCormick, or Mathews or Welch. Buffinton seems so meh to me. Sure he had a few top three seasons, but one was the last gasp of the AA.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
            It's too late, but why Charlie Buffinton or at least why before Mullane and over McCormick, or Mathews or Welch. Buffinton seems so meh to me. Sure he had a few top three seasons, but one was the last gasp of the AA.
            I give more weight to the BB Gauge version of WAR than BB Ref, largely due to the fielding metrics. That said, I don't throw any one system out. Buffinton is much improved (and McCormick, in particular, hit hard) by that.
            "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
            "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
            "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
            "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

            Comment


            • #36
              ah, I guess I need to expand my stats websites.

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              • #37
                The Hall of Miller and Eric has a lot of useful articles on the defensive metrics utilized by Baseball Gauge. The book Wizardry is a more thorough explanation. I have to agree with HOME that it's the best publicly available metric out there.
                "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

                Comment


                • #38
                  Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
                  I'm more comfortable extrapolating Wright's pre-1871 career than I am Start's, not that both don't get credit. For example, I think of Joe Start as the "Eddie Murray" of his day, which has tremendous value. I have him rated as the 4th best 1Bman pre-1920, certainly better than HOFers Jake Beckley and Frank Chance.

                  After adjusting for season length, I have to agree that Jim O'Rourke doesn't seem nearly as impressive as Barnes/Wright. And while Spalding may not have been the greatest pitcher of the 19th century by any means, he's certainly the best pitcher of record eligible at this time. Given the role of the pitcher (in the 1870s) and Spalding's "star power" as the ace of the best team in baseball, I give him the nod over O'Rourke or Deacon White.

                  Bottom line, here is my inaugural class of inductees: Cap Anson,Ross Barnes, Al Spalding and George Wright.
                  Barnes, Spalding and Bob Addy almost beat the Wright brothers and the stacked, undefeated Red Stockings with Rockford in '69 or '70.

                  Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                  It's too late, but why Charlie Buffinton or at least why before Mullane and over McCormick, or Mathews or Welch. Buffinton seems so meh to me. Sure he had a few top three seasons, but one was the last gasp of the AA.
                  Too much reliance on WAR. McCormick was ok. But Welch and especially Mathews were better. Mathews pitched through so many rules changes it's unbelievable. No one else made it through them.
                  Last edited by bluesky5; 12-05-2018, 06:29 PM.
                  "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                  • #39
                    1912 Eligibles
                    (Born prior to 1872)

                    New eligibles include Fielder Jones, Joe Kelley, Joe McGinnity, Amos Rusie and Fred Tenney.

                    Pitchers
                    Bud Fowler
                    Bobby Mathews
                    Jim McCormick
                    Joe McGinnity
                    Amos Rusie
                    George Stovey
                    Mickey Welch

                    Batters
                    Jake Beckley
                    Jimmy Collins
                    Hugh Duffy
                    Joe Kelley
                    Cal McVey
                    Lip Pike
                    Ezra Sutton
                    Sam Thompson
                    George Van Haltren
                    Ned Williamson

                    We’ll take the pair of pitchers, Amos Rusie and Joe McGInnity are our 1912 selections.
                    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                    • #40
                      1913 Eligibles
                      (Born prior to 1873)

                      New eligibles include Fred Clarke, Home Run Johnson and Willie Keeler.

                      Pitchers
                      Bud Fowler
                      Bobby Mathews
                      Jim McCormick
                      George Stovey
                      Mickey Welch

                      Batters
                      Jake Beckley
                      Fred Clarke
                      Jimmy Collins
                      Hugh Duffy
                      Home Run Johnson
                      Willie Keeler
                      Joe Kelley
                      Cal McVey
                      Lip Pike
                      Ezra Sutton
                      Sam Thompson
                      George Van Haltren
                      Ned Williamson

                      Selections for 1913 are Fred Clarke and Home Run Johnson.
                      "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                      "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                      "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                      "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

                      Comment


                      • #41
                        1914 Eligibles
                        (Born prior to 1874)

                        New eligibles include Harry Davis, John McGraw, Claude Ritchey and Bobby Wallace.

                        Pitchers
                        Bud Fowler
                        Bobby Mathews
                        Jim McCormick
                        George Stovey
                        Mickey Welch

                        Batters
                        Jake Beckley
                        Jimmy Collins
                        Hugh Duffy
                        Willie Keeler
                        Joe Kelley
                        John McGraw
                        Cal McVey
                        Lip Pike
                        Ezra Sutton
                        Sam Thompson
                        George Van Haltren
                        Bobby Wallace
                        Ned Williamson

                        Jimmy Collins and Bobby Wallace get the call this year.
                        "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                        "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                        "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                        "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

                        Comment


                        • #42
                          1915 Eligibles
                          (Born prior to 1875)

                          New eligibles include Charlie Grant, Nap Lajoie, Jack Powell, Honus Wagner.

                          Pitchers
                          Bud Fowler
                          Bobby Mathews
                          Jim McCormick
                          George Stovey
                          Mickey Welch

                          Batters
                          Jake Beckley
                          Hugh Duffy
                          Willie Keeler
                          Joe Kelley
                          Nap Lajoie
                          John McGraw
                          Cal McVey
                          Lip Pike
                          Ezra Sutton
                          Sam Thompson
                          George Van Haltren
                          Honus Wagner
                          Ned Williamson


                          I’ll spare you the suspense and just announce that Honus Wagner and Nap Lajoie become are greatest induction class yet.
                          "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                          "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                          "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                          "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

                          Comment


                          • #43
                            1916 Eligibles
                            (Born prior to 1876)

                            New eligibles include Kid Elberfeld, Johnny Kling, Eddie Plank, Harry Steinfeldt and C.I. Taylor.

                            Pitchers
                            Bud Fowler
                            Bobby Mathews
                            Jim McCormick
                            Eddie Plank
                            George Stovey
                            Mickey Welch

                            Batters
                            Jake Beckley
                            Hugh Duffy
                            Willie Keeler
                            Joe Kelley
                            John McGraw
                            Cal McVey
                            Lip Pike
                            Ezra Sutton
                            Sam Thompson
                            George Van Haltren
                            Ned Williamson


                            This year’s winners are Jake Beckley and Eddie Plank.
                            "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                            "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                            "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                            "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

                            Comment


                            • #44
                              1917 Eligibles
                              (Born prior to 1877)

                              New eligibles include Mordecai Brown, Frank Chance, Elmer Flick, Rube Waddell and Vic Willis.

                              Pitchers
                              Mordecai Brown
                              Bud Fowler
                              Bobby Mathews
                              Jim McCormick
                              George Stovey
                              Rube Waddell
                              Mickey Welch
                              Vic Willis

                              Batters
                              Frank Chance
                              Hugh Duffy
                              Elmer Flick
                              Willie Keeler
                              Joe Kelley
                              John McGraw
                              Cal McVey
                              Lip Pike
                              Ezra Sutton
                              Sam Thompson
                              George Van Haltren
                              Ned Williamson

                              Wow. The candidate pool is starting to genuinely expand and there are increasingly more candidates worthy of consideration. I’m going to pause this here to solicit opinions on the current group before making any decisions.

                              Would love to hear from you guys.
                              Last edited by Chadwick; 12-09-2018, 01:16 PM.
                              "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                              "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                              "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                              "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Waddell or Brown are my best pitchers. Plank is a typo. Willis certainly has merit if you prefer career to peak. Keeler is the best of the OFers. The other players are mostly peak candidates. Ezra Sutton is a dark horse.

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