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  • jalbright
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    Moving on in the winners bracket are Gary Carter, Bobby Bonds, Pete Browning and Dolf Luque. The remaining four move on in the loser's bracket.

    The official results:

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    [TD="width: 64"]91[/TD]
     			[TD="width: 136"]Gary Carter[/TD]
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    [TR]
    [TD]73[/TD]
     			[TD]Bobby Bonds[/TD]
     		[/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]54[/TD]
     			[TD]Pete Browning[/TD]
     		[/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]48[/TD]
     			[TD]Dolf Luque[/TD]
     		[/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]38[/TD]
     			[TD]Harry Hooper[/TD]
     		[/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]28[/TD]
     			[TD]Gene Tenace[/TD]
     		[/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]21[/TD]
     			[TD]Roger Maris[/TD]
     		[/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]11[/TD]
     			[TD]Bill Nicholson[/TD]
     		[/TR]
    [/TABLE]

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  • Troublesome
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    This was a difficult group to rank. The top two were easy but after that there's a lot of interchangeable spots.


    1. Gary Carter
    2. Bobby Bonds
    3. Pete Browning
    4. Harry Hooper
    5. Dolf Luque
    6. Gene Tenace
    7. Roger Maris
    8. Bill Nicholson

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  • BigRon
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    Tough group to sort out. After Carter and probably Bonds, you could throw a handkerchief over the rest- they're that close, in my opinion.

    1. Carter- well above anybody else
    2. Bonds
    3. Browning- don't know what to do with these early guys, but he was clearly top shelf
    4. Hooper
    5. Luque
    6. Maris
    7. Nicholson
    8. Tenace

    I basically don't see any difference between 4 and 8, except style. I've got Tenace last, but he could be several spots higher. I didn't enjoy him as a player, but he had value- great eye, good power, but really nothing else- poor contact guy, mediocre defender, didn't run particularly well. Not the kind of player I enjoyed, but he was productive.

    I don't discount Nicholson too much for the war. He'd already showed he was a good hitter before WW2. I can't remember the details, but he had diabetes, and that really curtailed his career as a top player.

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  • Jar of Flies
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    1. Gary Carter
    2. Harry Hooper
    3. Dolf Luque
    4. Bobby Bonds
    5. Pete Browning
    6. Gene Tenace
    7. Bill Nicholson
    8. Roger Maris

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  • dwj21792
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    1. Carter
    2. Bonds
    3. Browning
    4. Hooper
    5. Maris
    6. Luque
    7. Tenace
    8. Nicholson

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  • Chadwick
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    1. Gary Carter
    2. Bobby Bonds
    3. Pete Browning
    4. Gene Tenace
    5. Harry Hooper
    6. Dolf Luque
    7. Bill Nicholson
    8. Roger Maris
    Last edited by Chadwick; 12-09-2018, 05:27 PM.

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  • PVNICK
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    1. Gary Carter
    2. Bobby Bonds
    3. Pete Browning
    4. Harry Hooper
    5. Dolf Luque
    6. Roger Maris
    7. Gene Tenace
    8. Bill Nicholson

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  • dgarza
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    1. Gary Carter
    2. Dolf Luque - Luque started to become a full-time NLer midway 1918 at age 27. I am now also considering the time he spent prior in the Cuban league.
    3. Pete Browning
    4, Bobby Bonds
    ---HOF---
    5. Gene Tenace
    6. Harry Hooper
    7. Bill Nicholson
    8. Roger Maris

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  • John Shoemaker
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    1. Gary Carter
    2. Bobby Bonds
    3. Pete Browning.
    4. Dolf Luque.
    5. Roger Maris
    6. Bill Nicholson
    7. Gene Tenace
    8. Harry Hooper
    Last edited by John Shoemaker; 12-09-2018, 07:14 PM.

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  • jjpm74
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    Originally posted by jalbright

    That's pretty much what the first four votes indicate as well, and I expect the trend will hold up through all the votes.
    That's what will make the outcome of the early rounds interesting. Honestly, outside of Carter, I don't think any of these players have strong enough HOF cases to survive into the top 100.

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  • jjpm74
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    1. Gary Carter
    2. Dolf Luque (his role as a RP boosts his case)
    3. Bobby Bonds
    4. Roger Maris
    5. Pete Browning
    6. Bill Nicholson
    7. Harry Hooper
    8. Gene Tenace (one of the most overrated of all the SABR cases)

    The only definite HOFer in this group is Gary Carter.

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  • NJRob65
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    1. Gary Cater
    2. Bobby Bonds
    3. Gene Tenace
    4. Pete Browning
    5. Dolf Luque
    6. Roger Maris
    7. Bill Nicholson
    8. Harry Hooper

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    1. Gary Carter
    2. Bobby Bonds
    3. Harry Hooper
    4. Gene Tenace
    5. Pete Browning
    6. Bill Nicholson
    7. Dolph Luque
    8. Roger Maris
    Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 12-08-2018, 06:07 PM.

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  • jalbright
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    Here's my ballot:

    1. Gary Carter
    2, Bobby Bond
    3. Dolf Luque
    4. Gene Tenace (mostly because I see this as a weak group)
    5. Roger Maris
    6. Pete Browning
    7. Harry Hooper
    8. Bill Nicholson

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  • jalbright
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    Here's our fourth group of players:
    Bobby Bonds
    Harry Hooper
    Pete Browning
    Roger Maris
    Gene Tenace
    Bill Nicholson
    Gary Carter
    Dolf Luque

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