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  • #31
    Kudos to you for actually getting to triple digits, Chad. It's a great list full of players I must look into further. This is gonna be tough–I'm only halfway there just plucking ballot-ineligibles out of my personal Hall of Fame!

    Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
    CF – Willie Davis, Jim Edmonds, George Gore, Paul Hines, Andruw Jones, Kenny Lofton, Dale Murphy, Alejandro Oms, Bernie Williams, Jim Wynn
    Andruw is still on the ballot tho. May I suggest Cesar Cedeno as a replacement?

    EDIT: you have Wagner and Helton on there as well, both still on the ballot.
    Last edited by pedrosrotatorcuff; 04-06-2022, 09:45 AM.
    They don’t think it be like it is, but it do.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by pedrosrotatorcuff View Post
      Kudos to you for actually getting to triple digits, Chad. It's a great list full of players I must look into further. This is gonna be tough–I'm only halfway there just plucking ballot-ineligibles out of my personal Hall of Fame!



      Andruw is still on the ballot tho. May I suggest Cesar Cedeno as a replacement?

      EDIT: you have Wagner and Helton on there as well, both still on the ballot.
      Great catch! Thank you! I also caught Jeff Kent sneaking in there.

      So those four are replaced with Cedeno, Jim Fregosi, Fred Lynn (should have won the 1979 AL MVP also) and Wilbur Wood.
      Last edited by Chadwick; 04-06-2022, 10:38 AM.
      "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
      "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
      "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
      "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
        Two and a half years later....


        UPDATE TOP 100

        P – Kevin Appier, Tommy Bridges, Kevin Brown, Roger Clemens, Eddie Cicotte, David Cone, Wilbur Cooper, John Donaldson, Wes Ferrell, Chuck Finley, Orel Hershiser, John Hiller, Tim Hudson, Kazuhisa Inao, Tommy John, Masaichi Kaneda, Jim McCormick, Don Newcombe, Roy Oswalt, Billy Pierce, Dick Redding, Rick Reuschel, Bret Saberhagen, Johan Santana, Curt Schilling, Urban Shocker, Victor Starffin, Dave Stieb, Luis Tiant, Wilbur Wood

        C – Charlie Bennett, Bill Freehan, Thurman Munson, Katsuya Nomura, Wally Schang, Jim Sundberg, Gene Tenace, Quincy Trouppe

        1B – Dick Allen, Norm Cash, Will Clark, Keith Hernandez, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Hiromitsu Ochiai, Sadaharu Oh, John Olerud, Rafael Palmeiro, Joe Start

        2B – Ross Barnes, Bobby Grich, Tony Phillips, Willie Randolph, Tubby Scales, Lou Whitaker

        3B – Sal Bando, John Beckwith, Buddy Bell, Ken Boyer, Darrell Evans, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Shigeo Nagashima, Graig Nettles

        SS – Perucho Cepeda, Bill Dahlen, Jim Fregosi, Nomar Garciaparra, Jack Glasscock, Home Run Johnson, Dick Lundy, Dobie Moore

        LF – Albert Belle, Lance Berkman, Barry Bonds, Jose Cruz, Isao Harimoto, Bob Johnson, Charlie Keller, Sherry Magee, Hurley McNair, Pete Rose

        CF – Cesar Cedeno, Willie Davis, Jim Edmonds, George Gore, Paul Hines, Kenny Lofton, Fred Lynn, Dale Murphy, Alejandro Oms, Bernie Williams, Jim Wynn

        RF – Bobby Bonds, Dwight Evans, Joe Jackson, Heavy Johnson, Dave Parker, Reggie Smith, Sammy Sosa
        Great list sir better late than never!

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        • #34
          My "Let's Do This Thing" Mass-Induction: Rogues Gallery (This would easily be the most talented class...reasons set aside.) NEN = No Explanation Needed

          Barry Bonds - NEN

          Roger Clemens - NEN

          Curt Schilling - Obvious superlatives, politics keeping him out.

          Sammy Sosa - His 6-year peak is truly absurd. His rate-stats are great, his counting stats are in some ways unmatched. Add the other surrounding seasons and the man has a great case. 1998.

          Shoeless Joe - NEN

          Pete Rose - NEN

          Big Mac - The greatest slugger ever. His OPS+ is 163 - Of people who played their entire careers in the MLB after 1900 he's 11th!!! 1998

          Jose Canseco - He was certainly blacklisted from 500. He was still mashing and valuable enough for a roster spot. 132 Career OPS+ = Gwynn in the same era. His contributions outside the lines are massive. He's famous. Hall of Fame.

          Raffy - When he retired his membership in the 3000/500 club made him only the 4th to do it. He's still one of only seven. That's truly insane. Go look at his stats again.

          Dave Kingman - It's my list! That said, he retired Uncategorized Groups on the all-time AB/HR list. The hardest skill in sports, arguably, and he was the 5th best to do it upon retirement. He was a HR specialist of the highest order. He's in.
          Last edited by scottmitchell74; 05-18-2022, 07:05 AM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
            My "Let's Do This Thing" Mass-Induction: Rogues Gallery (This would easily be the most talented class...reasons set aside.) NEN = No Explanation Needed

            Barry Bonds - NEN

            Roger Clemens - NEN

            Curt Schilling - Obvious superlatives, politics keeping him out.

            Sammy Sosa - His 6-year peak is truly absurd. His rate-stats are great, his counting stats are in some ways unmatched. Add the other surrounding seasons and the man has a great case. 1998.

            Shoeless Joe - NEN

            Pete Rose - NEN

            Big Mac - The greatest slugger ever. His OPS+ is 163 - Of people who played their entire careers in the MLB after 1900 he's 11th!!! 1998

            Jose Canseco - He was certainly blacklisted from 500. He was still mashing and valuable enough for a roster spot. 132 Career OPS+ = Gwynn in the same era. His contributions outside the lines are massive. He's famous. Hall of Fame.

            Raffy - When he retired his membership in the 3000/500 club made him only the 4th to do it. He's still one of only seven. That's truly insane. Go look at his stats again.

            Dave Kingman - It's my list! That said, he retired Uncategorized Groups on the all-time AB/HR list. The hardest skill in sports, arguably, and he was the 5th best to do it upon retirement. He was a HR specialist of the highest order. He's in.
            Kingman is a horrible pick. Terrible baserunner, not good defensively, and honestly was not a very good hitter given his profile. If in, he would have the 2nd worst OBP of all hitters and that's pitiful given that the only thing that gets him in is his bat. Your claim about Kingman being the 5th best at doing the hardest thing in sports is definitely varied as there are honestly much better ways at determining such a thing even from a rate standpoint. If in, he would have the highest K% so in that sense that striking out is by definition the biggest way to fail as a hitter, Kingman would be the biggest failure to be in the HOF. I mean no disrespect at all when I say this but these are some criticisms that I do have of Kingman's selection.
            Last edited by Bamay22; 05-20-2022, 10:53 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Bamay22 View Post

              Kingman is a horrible pick. Terrible baserunner, not good defensively, and honestly was not a very good hitter given his profile. If in, he would have the 2nd worst OBP of all hitters and that's pitiful given that the only thing that gets him in is his bat. Your claim about Kingman being the 5th best at doing the hardest thing in sports is definitely varied as there are honestly much better ways at determining such a thing even from a rate standpoint. If in, he would have the highest K% so in that sense that striking out is by definition the biggest way to fail as a hitter, Kingman would be the biggest failure to be in the HOF. I mean no disrespect at all when I say this but these are some criticisms that I do have of Kingman's selection.
              No sweat.

              To be clear: At retirement 5th best at hitting HRs - which I designated as the hardest thing in sports. From an ab/hr ratio this is objective.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post

                No sweat.

                To be clear: At retirement 5th best at hitting HRs - which I designated as the hardest thing in sports. From an ab/hr ratio this is objective.
                Yeah, I know what you meant. I just think that a clear event stat like HR shouldn't necessarily be looked at when determining who did the hardest thing in sports best.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Bamay22 View Post

                  Yeah, I know what you meant. I just think that a clear event stat like HR shouldn't necessarily be looked at when determining who did the hardest thing in sports best.
                  Okay, gotcha.

                  Well, many people claim the hardest thing in sports is to hit a baseball, and then HRs are the most desired form of hit, so that's my rationale. Might not be correct...but I have to get DK442 in somehow!!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post

                    Okay, gotcha.

                    Well, many people claim the hardest thing in sports is to hit a baseball, and then HRs are the most desired form of hit, so that's my rationale. Might not be correct...but I have to get DK442 in somehow!!
                    What do you think about all the other stuff I said about Kingman?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Bamay22 View Post

                      What do you think about all the other stuff I said about Kingman?
                      Irrefutable.

                      I've evolved in my thinking on specialists. Relievers get in for being specialists. I'm considering Kingman a HR specialist, and upon retirement he was the 5th best ever.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post

                        Irrefutable.

                        I've evolved in my thinking on specialists. Relievers get in for being specialists. I'm considering Kingman a HR specialist, and upon retirement he was the 5th best ever.
                        Well relievers are relievers and they get in based on how good they were relative to other relievers. Kingman is a hitter and would get in despite not being a very good hitter.

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