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    Who are the players with the best careers from age 30 on who aren’t in the HOF? Not including players not in because of PED issues, or players who are or will be eligible and are expected to be shoo-ins. Here are some to consider:


    Jim Edmonds
    Jeff Kent
    Larry Walker
    Tony Phillips
    Darrell Evans
    Luis Gonzalez
    Dwight Evans
    Davey Lopes
    Last edited by Stolensingle; 12-24-2019, 02:52 AM.

  • #2
    I'm going to put Steve Finley, Bob Johnson, Jose Cruz, Frank Howard, Ken Williams, and Graig Nettles in this group.

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    • #3
      Kent Tekulve, Jamie Moyer, Tommy John, Jack Quinn, Dolf Luque, Doug Jones, David Cone

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      • #4
        Most of Adrian Beltre's productive years came after age 30.

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        • #5
          Phil Niekro might be at the head of the class for pitchers. He turned 30 in 1969, which was his third season as a starter.

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          • #6
            He's not a serious HOF candidate, but Hank Sauer had one of the most remarkable post-30 careers. Due to a number of circumstances, almost all of Sauer's Major League career took place after his 31st birthday. In that period he hit 281 home runs, one of the all time highest post-30 totals until the PED era. Sauer hit 30 or more homers 6 times after the age of 31 and won an MVP award. Under other circumstances it's likely that he would have hit 500 career homers.

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            • #7
              Curt Schilling post-30 was WAY more productive than prior to 30. Every ASG, Cy Young Vote, and MVP vote happened after age 30. 7/8 5+ WAR seasons were after age 30. In fact, he was better 34-40 than he was 30-34. Arguably all 4 of his best seasons were 34-37.

              He certainly had a very "unusual" career arc, yet is surprisingly not mentioned often when people talk about players with "unique" career arcs. With all of the people who can't stand him for other reasons, I am surprised this isn't brought-up against him more.
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              • #8
                20+ WAA, Age-30 Season & Later, Outside Cooperstown

                P – Babe Adams, Kevin Brown, Eddie Cicotte, Roger Clemens, David Cone, Zack Greinke, Cliff Lee, Jack Quinn, Max Scherzer, Curt Schilling, Urban Shocker, Justin Verlander, Bucky Walters
                C – n/a
                1B – Dolph Camilli, Mark McGwire
                2B – Jeff Kent, Lou Whitaker
                3B – Adrian Beltre
                SS – Art Fletcher
                LF – Barry Bonds, Bob Johnson, Ken Williams
                CF – Jim Edmonds
                RF – Larry Walker
                DH – n/a
                "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                • #9
                  Sal Maglie, though he was even more extreme, not getting going until age 33! From age 33-40 he was 111-51 with a 129 ERA+

                  Dennis Martinez from age 33-41 was 120-77 with a 130 ERA+.

                  Preacher Roe from age 32-37 was 90-33 127 ERA+.

                  John Tudor from age 30 on was 78-40 138 ERA+.

                  Harry Brecheen from age 30 on was 108-81 133 ERA+.
                  Last edited by willshad; 12-24-2019, 09:35 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                    Most of Adrian Beltre's productive years came after age 30.
                    I regard Beltre's HOF election as a sure thing, which is why I didn't include him. My intent has been to identify players who aren't in the HOF, and stand a good chance of never getting in, who had HOF-worthy production in their 30s, but for one reason or another just never got going very well until then.

                    I only focussed on position players, though of course suggestions of pitchers are welcome. Schilling would be a good example, except BA's bringing him up is ironic, as BA has said he regards Schilling's eventual election a lock, in which case he wouldn't fit the criteria I set out. But if he ends up not getting in, at least not in this ten year period by the conventional process, then, yeah, he belongs on the list.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Stolensingle View Post

                      I regard Beltre's HOF election as a sure thing, which is why I didn't include him. My intent has been to identify players who aren't in the HOF, and stand a good chance of never getting in, who had HOF-worthy production in their 30s, but for one reason or another just never got going very well until then.

                      I only focussed on position players, though of course suggestions of pitchers are welcome. Schilling would be a good example, except BA's bringing him up is ironic, as BA has said he regards Schilling's eventual election a lock, in which case he wouldn't fit the criteria I set out. But if he ends up not getting in, at least not in this ten year period by the conventional process, then, yeah, he belongs on the list.
                      I was more commenting on the collective posts which were including guys who are shoo-ins and guys who were not. People were mentioning Niekro and Beltre, and I was wondering why Schilling is never involved in similar discussions.
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