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  • #31
    The DH is disgusting.
    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post


      I am no PED fanatic, but the fact he was USELESS until he suddenly was a great hitter out of nowhere at age 27 is troubling. Why in his particular case? This isn't a case of a great player who got WAY better after using PEDs. Ortiz would likley not be in baseball without PEDs. DHs who can't hit aren't MLB players for very long. He only had one 6+ WAR season.
      I've wondered about this too (I think most of us have). What somewhat complicates his timeline is that The Metrodome seems to have really suppressed his batting numbers, in particular his power.
      In his last two seasons with the Twins 2001-2002), Ortiz hit 11 HRs at home batting .250/.332/.432/.764. But on the road he hit 27 HRs batting .261/.333/.541/.875.
      In 2002, Ortiz hit 15 HRs on the road, but just 5 at home.

      Don't get me wrong. No, I don't think The Metrodome was keeping a "150 OPS+ batter" down at the time; I don't think he was going to be anywhere near that level from 1997-2002. But I do think that Ortiz was developing into a probable 30-HR type slugger years before he ever got to Boston.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by dgarza View Post
        I've wondered about this too (I think most of us have). What somewhat complicates his timeline is that The Metrodome seems to have really suppressed his batting numbers, in particular his power.
        In his last two seasons with the Twins 2001-2002), Ortiz hit 11 HRs at home batting .250/.332/.432/.764. But on the road he hit 27 HRs batting .261/.333/.541/.875.
        In 2002, Ortiz hit 15 HRs on the road, but just 5 at home.

        Don't get me wrong. No, I don't think The Metrodome was keeping a "150 OPS+ batter" down at the time; I don't think he was going to be anywhere near that level from 1997-2002. But I do think that Ortiz was developing into a probable 30-HR type slugger years before he ever got to Boston.
        Right, but the stats which adjust for park like wrc+ and ops+ show Ortiz jumping from around 110 every year to 150-170 overnight.

        That being said, the PED ramifications are really way down the list for me. I just think he is a tad short of the HOF regardless.

        The fact many people prefer a 140 ops dh over great middle infielders with 120 ops shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how value is created for teams. I think we have many people here that think a 20 point offensive difference is insurmountable.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

          Right, but the stats which adjust for park like wrc+ and ops+ show Ortiz jumping from around 110 every year to 150-170 overnight.

          That being said, the PED ramifications are really way down the list for me. I just think he is a tad short of the HOF regardless.
          Right. A point I was trying to make was at that some (not all) of what Ortiz would become we could probably have seen coming if we were really paying attention or digging deep. It might have seemed out of the blue at the time, but it wasn't completely out of the blue. PEDs fuzzy the lens, of course.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

            Right, but the stats which adjust for park like wrc+ and ops+ show Ortiz jumping from around 110 every year to 150-170 overnight.

            That being said, the PED ramifications are really way down the list for me. I just think he is a tad short of the HOF regardless.

            The fact many people prefer a 140 ops dh over great middle infielders with 120 ops shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how value is created for teams. I think we have many people here that think a 20 point offensive difference is insurmountable.
            The home run is king. Sometimes we reap what we sow.

            Or how games are won... this is the type of phrasing that leads to people believing things 'cancel out' in a players career. For instance we talked about Grove. willshad (surprisingly) and maybe 2-3 others implied that by being used in lots of high leverage situations with Boston it 'cancelled out' him being benched in high leverage situations with Philadelphia. It's a logical fallacy. That's not to say players can't redeem themselves. Whether it's by scoring a big run after making a defensive error or performing big against a team after failing big a few times.

            The games are played to be won and the season/playoffs are played to win a championship. Not to 'create value' that can be arbitrarily redefined at a future date.

            I know you didn't mean anything by saying that. I'm not trying to nitpick at you. Just throwing my two cents in for people to scroll past.
            Last edited by bluesky5; 03-26-2020, 11:32 AM.
            "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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            • #36
              This election, we elected Adrian Beltre, Joe Jackson, Jim McCormick, David Ortiz, Johan Santana, Ichiro Suzuki and Chase Utley. Dropping off the ballot is Dunn. The rest of the candidates from this election will be on the 2021 ballot.

              The official results:
              ...
              Code:
               
              % yes % no Player
              ### #####
              65.4 34.6 Lance Berkman
              80.8 19.2 Johan Santana
              ### ##### ….
              65.4 34.6 Pete Browning
              57.7 42.3 Bus Clarkson
              80.8 19.2 Joe Jackson
              80.8 19.2 Jim McCormick
              65.4 34.6 Dobie Moore
              61.5 38.5 Rick Reuschel
              53.8 46.2 Jimmy Wynn
              ### ##### ……
              46.2 30.8 Bobby Abreu
              53.8 23.1 Tim Hudson
              76.9 15.4 David Ortiz
              ### ##### …...
              100.0 0.0 Adrian Beltre
              0.0 100.0 Adam Dunn
              92.3 7.7 Ichiro Suzuki
              84.6 7.7 Chase Utley
              Last edited by jalbright; 04-04-2020, 11:48 AM.
              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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              • #37
                The holdovers
                ...
                Code:
                 
                % yes % no Player
                ### #####
                65.4 34.6 Lance Berkman
                ...
                65.4 34.6 Pete Browning
                57.7 42.3 Bus Clarkson
                65.4 34.6 Dobie Moore
                61.5 38.5 Rick Reuschel
                53.8 46.2 Jimmy Wynn
                ...
                46.2 30.8 Bobby Abreu
                53.8 23.1 Tim Hudson
                Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                • #38

                  Our list of inductees, updated to include this election:

                  Alphabetical List of inducted players

                  Code:
                  Hank Aaron
                  Pete Alexander
                  Dick Allen
                  Roberto Alomar
                  Cap Anson
                  Luke Appling
                  Richie Ashburn
                  Earl Averill
                  Jeff Bagwell
                  Frank (Home Run) Baker
                  Dave Bancroft
                  Ernie Banks
                  Ross Barnes
                  Jake Beckley
                  John Beckwith
                  Cool Papa Bell
                  Carlos Beltran
                  Adrian Beltre
                  Johnny Bench
                  Charlie Bennett
                  Yogi Berra
                  Akira Bessho
                  Craig Biggio
                  Bert Blyleven
                  Wade Boggs
                  Barry Bonds
                  Lou Boudreau
                  Ken Boyer
                  Roger Bresnahan
                  George Brett
                  Lou Brock
                  Dan Brouthers
                  Mordecai Brown
                  Ray Brown
                  Willard Brown
                  Jim Bunning
                  Jesse Burkett
                  Roy Campanella
                  Rod Carew
                  Max Carey
                  Steve Carlton
                  Gary Carter
                  Bob Caruthers
                  Perucho Cepeda
                  Frank Chance
                  Oscar Charleston
                  Fred Clarke
                  John Clarkson
                  1roger Clemens
                  Roberto Clemente
                  Ty Cobb
                  Mickey Cochrane
                  Eddie Collins
                  Jimmy Collins
                  David Cone
                  Roger Connor
                  Stan Coveleski
                  Sam Crawford
                  Joe Cronin
                  Bill Dahlen
                  George Davis
                  Andre Dawson
                  Leon Day
                  Dizzy Dean
                  Ed Delahanty
                  Bill Dickey
                  Martin Dihigo
                  Joe DiMaggio
                  Larry Doby
                  Bobby Doerr
                  Don Drysdale
                  Dennis Eckersley
                  Jim Edmonds
                  Yutaka Enatsu
                  Dwight Evans
                  Buck Ewing
                  Red Faber
                  Bob Feller
                  Wes Ferrell
                  Carlton Fisk
                  Elmer Flick
                  Whitey Ford
                  Rube Foster
                  Willie Foster
                  Nellie Fox
                  Jimmie Foxx
                  Bill Freehan
                  Frankie Frisch
                  Pud Galvin
                  Lou Gehrig
                  Charlie Gehringer
                  Bob Gibson
                  Josh Gibson
                  Jack Glasscock
                  Tom Glavine
                  Joe Gordon
                  Goose Goslin
                  Goose 1gossage
                  Frank Grant
                  Hank Greenberg
                  Bobby Grich
                  Ken Griffey, Jr.
                  Heinie Groh
                  Lefty Grove
                  Vladimir Guerrero
                  Tony Gwynn
                  Roy Halladay
                  Billy Hamilton
                  Isao Harimoto
                  Gabby Hartnett
                  Harry Heilmann
                  Todd Helton
                  Rickey Henderson
                  Billy Herman
                  Keith Hernandez
                  Pete Hill
                  Paul Hines
                  Rogers Hornsby
                  Carl Hubbell
                  Kazuhisa Inao
                  Monte Irvin
                  Joe Jackson
                  Reggie Jackson
                  Hughie Jennings
                  Ferguson Jenkins
                  Derek Jeter
                  Tommy John
                  Bob Johnson
                  Home Run Johnson
                  Randy Johnson
                  Walter Johnson
                  Andruw Jones
                  Al Kaline
                  Masaichi Kaneda
                  Tim Keefe
                  Willie Keeler
                  Joe Kelley
                  King Kelly
                  Jeff Kent
                  Harmon Killebrew
                  Ralph Kiner
                  Sandy Koufax
                  Masaaki Koyama
                  Nap LaJoie
                  Barry Larkin
                  Bob Lemon
                  Buck Leonard
                  Pop Lloyd
                  Dick Lundy
                  Ted Lyons
                  Biz Mackey
                  Greg Maddux
                  Sherry Magee
                  Mickey Mantle
                  Juan Marichal
                  Edgar Martinez
                  Pedro Martinez
                  Eddie Mathews
                  Christy Mathewson
                  Willie Mays
                  Jim McCormick
                  Willie McCovey
                  Joe McGinnity
                  John McGraw
                  Fred McGriff
                  Bid McPhee
                  Cal McVey
                  Joe Medwick
                  Jose Mendez
                  Minnie Minoso
                  Johnny Mize
                  Paul Molitor
                  Joe Morgan
                  Thurman Munson
                  Eddie Murray
                  Stan Musial
                  Mike Mussina
                  Shigeo Nagashima
                  Graig Nettles
                  Hal Newhouser
                  Kid Nichols
                  Phil Niekro
                  Katsuya Nomura
                  Hiromichi Ochiai
                  Sadaharu Oh
                  Alejandro Oms
                  Jim O'Rourke
                  David Ortiz
                  Mel Ott
                  Satchel Paige
                  Jim Palmer
                  Tont Perez
                  Gaylord Perry
                  Mike Piazza
                  Billy Pierce
                  Lip Pike
                  Eddie Plank
                  Kirby Puckett
                  Old Hoss Radbourn
                  Tim Raines
                  Dick Redding
                  Pee Wee Reese
                  Sam Rice
                  Cal Ripken, Jr.
                  Mariano Rivera
                  Robin Roberts
                  Brooks Robinson
                  Frank Robinson
                  Jackie Robinson
                  Alex Rodriguez
                  Ivan Rodriguez
                  Bullet Joe Rogan
                  Red Ruffing
                  Amos Rusie
                  Babe Ruth
                  Noan Ryan
                  Ryne Sandberg
                  Johan Santana
                  Ron Santo
                  Louis Santop
                  Wally Schang
                  Curt Schilling
                  Mike Schmidt
                  Tom Seaver
                  Joe Sewell
                  Urban Shocker
                  Al Simmons
                  Ted Simmons
                  George Sisler
                  Enos Slaughter
                  Hilton Smith
                  Ozzie Smith
                  Reggie Smith
                  John Smoltz
                  Duke Snider
                  Warren Spahn
                  Al Spalding
                  Tris Speaker
                  Victor Starffin
                  Willie Stargell
                  Joe Start
                  Turkey Stearnes
                  Dave Steib
                  Harry Stovey
                  Mule Suttles
                  Don Sutton
                  Ichiro Suzuki
                  Ben Taylor
                  Bill Terry
                  Frank Thomas
                  Jim Thome
                  Sam Thompson
                  Luis Tiant Jr
                  Joe Tinker
                  Joe Torre
                  Cristobal Torriente
                  Alan Trammell
                  Quincy Trouppe
                  Chase Utley
                  Dazzy Vance
                  Arky Vaughan
                  Rube Waddell
                  Honus Wagner
                  Larry Walker
                  Bobby Wallace
                  Ed Walsh
                  Paul Waner
                  John Montgomery Ward
                  Willie Wells
                  Zack Wheat
                  Lou Whitaker
                  Deacon White
                  Hoyt Wilhelm
                  Billy Williams
                  Smoky Joe Williams
                  Ted Williams
                  Vic Willis
                  Jud Wilson
                  Dave Winfield
                  George Wright
                  Early Wynn
                  Carl Yastrzemski
                  Tetsuya Yoneda
                  Cy Young
                  Robin Yount
                  Alphabetical list of inducted contributors

                  Code:
                  Iso Abe
                  Doc Adams
                  Doug Allison
                  Walter Alston
                  Sparky Anderson
                  Ed Barrow
                  Ed Bolden
                  Henry Chadwick
                  Charlie Comiskey
                  Bobby Cox
                  Jim Creighton
                  Tom Connolly
                  Harry Dalton
                  Jack Dunn
                  Leo Durcher
                  Al Munro Elias
                  Billy Evans
                  Pat Gillick
                  Clark Griffith
                  Ned Hanlon
                  Bucky Harris
                  Vic Harris
                  Whitey Herzog
                  John Heydler
                  Bob Howsam
                  Miller Huggins
                  William Hulbert
                  Bill James
                  Ban Johnson
                  Tetsuharu Kawakami
                  Bill Klem
                  Kenesaw Landis
                  Tony LaRussa
                  Tommy Lasords
                  Joe Leggett
                  Jim Leyland
                  Al Lopez
                  Connie Mack
                  Larry MacPhail
                  Joe McCarthy
                  Bill McKechnie
                  Osamu MIhara
                  Marvin Miller
                  Shigeru Mizuhara
                  Tim Murnane
                  Yuki Nishimoto
                  Hank O'Day
                  Lefty O'Doul
                  Walter O'Malley
                  Buck O'Neil
                  Pete Palmer
                  Dickey Pearce
                  Alex Pompez
                  Cum Posey
                  Al Reach
                  Francis Richter
                  Branch Rickey
                  Phil Rizzuto
                  Tubby Scales
                  John Scheurholz
                  Vin Scully
                  Frank Selee
                  Ben Shibe
                  Matsutaro Shoriki
                  Billy Southworth
                  Al Spalding
                  J. G. Taylor Spink
                  Casey Stengel
                  C. I. Taylor
                  Kazuto Tsuruoka
                  Bill Veeck
                  Louis Wadsworth
                  Earl Wever
                  George Weiss
                  William Wheaton
                  Sol White
                  J L Wilkinson
                  Dick Williams
                  Harry Wright
                  Last edited by jalbright; 04-04-2020, 11:48 AM.
                  Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                  Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                  A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                  • #39

                    Our history of inductions, updated to include this election:

                    Inducted players by year inducted

                    Code:
                    1894--Ross Barnes, Al Spalding, Joe Start, Deacon White, George Wright
                    1895--Charlie Bennett, Old Hoss Radbourn
                    1896--Paul Hines
                    1897--Pud Galvin
                    1898--Cap Anson, Roger Connor, Jack Glasscock, Tim Keefe, King Kelly
                    1899--Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, John Montgomery Ward
                    1900--Buck Ewing, Bid McPhee
                    1903--Cal McVey
                    1905--Dan Brouthers, Jim O'Rourke
                    1906--Billy Hamilton, Amos Rusie
                    1907--Lip Pike
                    1908--Ed Delahanty, Frank Grant, Sam Thompson
                    1909--Jesse Burkett
                    1910--Jake Beckley, Kid Nichols
                    1911--Jimmy Collins, George Davis, John McGraw
                    1912--Bill Dahlen, Joe Kelley, Joe McGinnity, Cy Young
                    1913--Willie Keeler
                    1915--Elmer Flick, Rube Waddell, Vic Willis
                    1916--Fred Clarke
                    1917--Mordecai Brown, Home Run Johnson, Nap LaJoie
                    1918--Eddie Plank, Honus Wagner
                    1919--Frank Chance, Bobby Wallace
                    1920--Roger Bresnahan
                    1921--Sam Crawford, Christy Mathewson, Joe Tinker
                    1922--Hughie Jennings, Ed Walsh
                    1924--Sherry Magee
                    1927--Frank (Home Run) Baker
                    1928--Walter Johnson
                    1929--Ty Cobb, Rube Foster, Tris Speaker, Zack Wheat
                    1930--Stan Coveleski, Heinie Groh
                    1931--Pete Alexander, Max Carey, Eddie Collins, Louis Santop
                    1933--Dave Bancroft, Pop Lloyd, Urban Shocker, Cristobal torriente, Smoky Joe Williams
                    1934--Red Faber. Jose Mendez, George Sisler
                    1935--Harry Heilmann
                    1936--Babe Ruth, Dazzy Vance
                    1938--Rogers Hornsby, Alejandro Oms, Joe Sewell
                    1939--Frankie Frisch, Bullet Joe Rogan, Bill Terry
                    1941--Goose Goslin
                    1942--Oscar Charleston, Mickey Cochrane, Lefty Grove, Gabby Hartnett
                    1943--Earl Averill, John Beckwith, Willie Foster, Dick Redding, Turkey Stearnes
                    1944--Lou Gehrig, Charlie Gehringer, Carl Hubbell
                    1945--Al Simmons, Mule Suttles
                    1946--Martin Dihigo, Wes Ferrell, Bob Johnson, Paul Waner
                    1947--Joe Cronin, Ted Lyons, Jud Wilson
                    1948--Cool Papa Bell, Bill Dickey, Jimmie Foxx, Biz Mackey, Red Ruffing
                    1949--Ray Brown
                    1950--Billy Herman, Mel Ott, Willie Wells
                    1951--Luke Appling, Josh Gibson, Buck Leonard, Hilton Smith
                    1952--Dizzy Dean, Hank Greenberg, Joe Medwick
                    1953--Arky Vaughan
                    1954--Pete Hill, Johnny Mize
                    1955--Leon Day, Joe DiMaggio, Joe Gordon, Dick Lundy, Quincy Trouppe
                    1956--Bobby Doerr
                    1957--Lou Boudreau
                    1958--Willard Brown, Perucho Cepeda, Victor Starffin
                    1959--Bob Feller, Pee Wee Reese
                    1960--Monte Irvin, Ralph Kiner, Hal Newhouser, Jackie Robinson, Enos Slaughter
                    1961--Bob Lemon, Ted Williams
                    1962--Roy Campanella
                    1964--Larry Doby, Stan Musial, Early Wynn
                    1966--Yogi Berra, Satchel Paige, Warren Spahn
                    1967--Richie Ashburn, Robin Roberts, Duke Snider
                    1968--Nellie Fox. Billy Pierce
                    1969--Whitey Ford
                    1970--Akira Bessho
                    1971--Sandy Koufax
                    1972--Ernie Banks, Jim Bunning, Mickey Mantle, Eddie Mathews
                    1973--Ken Boyer, Hoyt Wilhelm
                    1974--Don Drysdale, Willie Mays
                    1975--Roberto Clemente, Al Kaline
                    1976--Bob Gibson, Kazuhisa Inao, Masaichi Kaneda
                    1977--Hank Aaron, Harmon Killebrew, Masaaki Koyama, Frank Robinson
                    1978--Juan Marichal, Brooks Robinson
                    1979--Ron Santo, Billy Williams
                    1980--Lou Brock
                    1981--Willie McCovey, Minnie Minoso, Shigeo Nagashima, Katsuya Nomura, Sadaharu Oh, Tetsuya Yoneda
                    1982--Dick Allen, Bill Freehan, Joe Torre
                    1983--Willie Stargell, Luis Tiant Jr.
                    1984--Isao Harimoto, Ferguson Jenkins, Thurman Munson, Gaylord Perry, Carl Yastrzemski
                    1985--Joe Morgan
                    1986--Rod Carew, Jim Palmer
                    1987--Tom Seaver
                    1988--Johnny Bench, Reggie Jackson, Phil Niekro
                    1989--Steve Carlton, Tony Perez, Reggie Smith, Don Sutton
                    1990--Mike Schmidt, Ted Simmons
                    1991--Yutaka Enatsu, Bobby Grich, Graig Nettes
                    1993--Bert Blyleven, Dwight Evans
                    1994--George Brett, Carlton Fisk, Tommy John, Nolan Ryan
                    1995--Gary Carter, Goose Gossage, Sam Rice
                    1996--Keith Hernandez, Dave Winfield, Robin Yount
                    1997--Andre Dawson, Ozzie Smith
                    1998--Eddie Murray, Lou Whitaker
                    1999--Dennis Eckersley, Paul Molitor, Alan Trammell
                    2000--Wade Boggs, Kirby Puckett, Ryne Sandberg
                    2002--Tony Gwynn, Hiromitsu Ochiai, Cal Ripken, Jr.
                    2003--Tim Raines
                    2004--Rickey Henderson
                    2005--Barry Larkin, Edgar Martinez
                    2007--Larry Walker
                    2008--Craig Biggio, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Fred McGriff
                    2009--Roberto Alomar, Jeff Bagwell, Jeff Kent, Greg Maddux, Mike Mussina, Mike Piazza, Dave Steib
                    2010--Randy Johnson
                    2011--Jim Edmonds, Tom Glavine, Ken Griffey Jr, Frank Thomas
                    2012--Pedro Martinez, Ivan Rodriguez
                    2013--Jim Thome
                    2014--Todd Helton, Mariano Rivera
                    2015--Derek Jeter
                    2016--Vladimir Guerrero
                    2018--Roy Halladay
                    2018 special election:  David Cone, Wally Schang, Curt Schilling, John Smoltz, Harry Stovey, Ben Taylor
                    2019--Carlos Beltran, Andruw Jones, Alex Rodriguez
                    2020--Adrian Beltre, Joe Jackson, Jim McCormick, David Ortiz, Johan Santana, Ichiro Suzuki, Chase Utley
                    Inducted contributors by year inducted

                    Code:
                    1894--Doc Adams, Henry Chadwick, William Hulbert
                    1896--Jim Creighton, William Wheaton
                    1897--Harry Wright
                    1903--Dickey Pearce, Ben Shibe
                    1905--Al Reach
                    1908--Joe Leggett, Louis Wadsworth
                    1911--Frank Selee
                    1915--Al Spalding
                    1919--Doug Allison
                    1920--Tim Murnane, Francis Richter
                    1922--Ned Hanlon
                    1924--Charlie Comiskey, C. I. Taylor
                    1926--Hank O'Day
                    1927--Connie Mack
                    1929--John Heydler, Ban Johnson
                    1931--Miller Huggins, Kenesaw Landis
                    1932--Iso Abe, Ed Barrow, Jack Dunn
                    1933--Clark Griffith, Sol White
                    1937--Tom Connolly, Al Munro Elias
                    1941--Bill Klem-
                    1943--J L Wilkinson
                    1946--Branch Rickey
                    1948--Ed Bolden, Cum Posey
                    1950--Billy Evans, Matsutaro Shoriki
                    1951--Bill McKechnie
                    1952--Joe McCarthy
                    1953--J. G. Taylor Spink
                    1955--Larry MacPhail, Alex Pompez, Casey Stengel
                    1958--Billy Southworth
                    1959--George Weiss
                    1961--Bucky Harris
                    1962--Lefty O'Doul
                    1970--Leo Durocher, Vic harris, Walter O'Malley
                    1971--Tubby Scales
                    1973--Al Lopez
                    1976--Walter Alston, Buck O'Neil
                    1978--Shigeru Mizuhara
                    1979--Osamu Mihara
                    1981--Phil Rizzuto, Kazuto Tsuruoka
                    1982--Marvin Miller
                    1983--Bob Howsam
                    1986--Harry Dalton, Tetsuharu Kawakami
                    1987--Yuki Nishimoto
                    1988--Bill Veeck
                    1992--Vin Scully
                    1994--Tommy Lasorda, Dick Willisms
                    1995--Earl Weaver
                    1996--Whitey Herzog
                    1999--Sparky Anderson
                    2002--Pat Gillick
                    2003--Pete Palmer
                    2005--John Scheurholz
                    2006--Bobby Cox
                    2009--Tony LaRussa
                    2011--Jim Leyland
                    2014--Bill James
                    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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