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  • Home Run HoF Project: Year 8 - 1946 (5)

    Home Run Hall of Fame

    Rules:
    • This is a hall of fame for home run hitters only.
    • We're going to induct position players yearly at the same rate as the actual HoF including the Negro Leagues.
    • In 1950, '60, '70, etc. we will elect one eligible pitcher, just for fun.
    • I'll close and open elections on Sunday mornings.
    • Players become eligible after being retired for five seasons including Gehrig, Clemente and alike.
    • You are not limited to the 25 career leaders I list. You may take anything or nothing into account - position, context, peak, longevity, clutch homers, but you need to keep it home run-centric. We are not taking slugging or doubles and triples or anything like that into consideration.
    • Players receive points inverted and doubled so...
    Example:
    1. Ruth - 8 points
    2. Gehrig - 6 points
    3. DiMaggio - 4 points
    4. Mantle - 2 points
    1946 Election - 5 Inductees: Ballots of 10
    (players retired after 1940 season or earlier)

    eligible career home run leaders:

    Wally Berger - 242 (led league 1x)
    Harry Heilmann - 183 (0x)
    Tony Lazzeri - 178 (0x)
    Chick Hafey - 164 (0x)
    Bob Meusel - 156 (1x)
    Bill Terry - 154 (0x)
    High Pockets Kelly - 148 (1x)
    Jack Fournier - 136 (1x)
    Travis Jackson - 135 (0x)
    Zack Wheat - 132 (0x)
    Kiki Cuyler - 128 (0x)
    Marty McManus - 120 (0x)
    Mickey Cochrane - 119 (0x)
    Zeke Bonura - 119 (0x)
    Jimmy Ryan - 118 (1x)
    Tilly Walker - 118 (1x)
    Ty Cobb - 117 (1x)
    Tris Speaker - 117 (1x)
    Bing Miller - 116 (0x)
    Lefty O'Doul - 113 (0x)
    Heinie Manush - 110 (0x)
    Jimmie Dykes - 108 (0x)
    Hugh Duffy - 106 (2x)
    Mike Tiernan - 106 (2x)
    Irish Meusel - 106 (0x)
    Frankie Frisch - 105 (0x)
    George Sisler - 102 (0x)
    Honus Wagner - 101 (0x)
    Cap Anson - 97 (0x)
    Sam Crawford - 97 (2x)

    career home run leaders:

    Lip Pike: 1872-79
    Charley Jones: 1880-81, '83-84
    Jim O'Rourke: 1882
    Harry Stovey: 1885-86, '89-94
    Dan Brouthers: 1887-88
    Roger Connor: 1895-1920
    Babe Ruth: 1921-present
    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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    1936                Team                     Pos.      career HR                          other   
    Harry Stovey        Philadelphia Athletics  1B/OF         122       held career record for 8 seasons, A.A. career leader
    Gavvy Cravath       Philadelphia Phillies     RF          119                  led the N.L. 6x in 7 seasons
    Home Run Baker      Philadelphia Athletics    3B           96        2 GW-HR in '11 world series, 4x consec. A.L. leader
    1937                Team                     Pos.      career HR                          other 
    Cy Williams         Philadelphia Phillies     CF          259         only deadball and live ball home run champion
    Roger Connor        New York Giants           1B          138                held career record for 23 years
    1938                Team                     Pos.      career HR                          other 
    Lip Pike            Atlantic                  CF           21          led league 4x, held career record for 8 years
    1939                Team                     Pos.      career HR                          other  
    Dan Brouthers       Detroit Wolverines        1B          107                 held career record for 2 years
    Ken Williams        St. Louis Browns          LF          196                   first 30/30 player in 1922
    Charley Jones       Cincinnati Reds           LF           54                 held career record for 4 years    
    Sam Thompson        Philadelphia Phillies     RF          126                   first 20/20 player in 1889
    Harry Davis         Philadelphia Athletics    1B           75                      led A.L. 4x in a row  
    1942                Team                     Pos.      career HR                          other 
    Babe Ruth           New York Yankees        P/COF         714                  revolutionized the home run
    1943                Team                     Pos.      career HR                          other 
    Hack Wilson         Chicago Cubs              CF          244          N.L. record 56 HR in '30, led 4x in 5 years
    Rogers Hornsby      St. Louis Cardinals       2B          301        first player with 40 HR and .400 average in '22
    Wildfire Schulte    Chicago Cubs              RF           92                    2x N.L. home run champ
    1944                Team                     Pos.      career HR                          other 
    Goose Goslin        Washington Senators       LF          248              top power hitter on 5 pennant winners
    Buck Freeman        Boston Americans          RF           82        first to lead both N.L. in 1899 and A.L. in 1903
    Ned Williamson      Chicago White Stockings   3B           67              held single-season record for 35 years
    1945                Team                     Pos.       career HR                         other 
    Lou Gehrig          New York Yankees          1B          493               3x A.L. leader in tandem with Ruth
    Ed Delahanty        Philadelphia Phillies     LF          101                        2x N.L. leader
    Jim Bottomley       St. Louis Cardinals       1B          219                      led the N.L. once
    Last edited by bluesky5; 03-29-2020, 11:26 AM.
    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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    • #3
      1. Honus Wagner - I've decided to elevate him due to the huge dimensions of Exposition Park. I believe I'm correct in saying one home run ever cleared the fence.
      2. Mike Tiernan
      3. Sam Crawford
      4. Wally Berger
      5. Hugh Duffy
      6. Jim O'Rourke
      7. High Pockets Kelly
      8. Jack Fournier
      9. Tim Jordan
      10. Harry Heilmann
      Last edited by bluesky5; 03-29-2020, 01:26 PM.
      "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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      • #4
        1. Wally Berger - Will probably sail in, deservedly so even with the brevity of his career.
        2. Mike Tiernan - Moving him up the list after looking more closely at his actual power numbers. He is probably the best slugger from his era not already inducted.
        3. Jim O'Rourke - Led the league in HRs 3X and triples 1X.
        4. High Pickets Kelly - 20s NL slugger who might be a bit underrated.
        5. Hugh Duffy - Stats might be a bit distorted by 1894, but a great hitter nonetheless.
        6. Sam Crawford - For those supporting Crawford, take note that in 1901, he hit 12 inside the park home runs alone. That is 12 out of his league leading 16 total, or 75% of his home runs. If you support Crawford, you should also be supporting Burkett. 50% of Crawford's home runs were inside the part home runs.
        7. Honus Wagner - Try to remember before elevating him too much that almost 50% of his home runs were inside the park home runs.
        8. Jesse Burkett - hit 55 inside the park home runs and 76 total. If Wagner is deserving, so is Burkett.
        9. Tim Jordan - After reading a couple articles about the home run he hit out of Exhibition Park, I went back and looked up his home run stats and see he also led the league in HRs twice. I'll put him on the ballot as an outlier for now.
        10. Jack Fournier - His power numbers late in his career suggest his dead ball era HR stats might be a bit suppressed.

        bluesky5 - Could you shed a bit of light on Tillie Walker? What am I missing there? It looks like he basically had one outlier season.

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        • #5
          He was the last guy on the ballot, basically. He had some good HR years in the early live ball era too. He adapted quick. I do like Jordan better I forgot about him. Have him at 9th now. Don't know how O'Rourke got to 10th I put him back up at 6th which may be low.
          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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          • #6
            1. Wally Berger
            2. Mike Tiernan
            3. George Kelly he has some early accomplishments (perhaps just trtiviata) such as first player with 3 HRs in a game 2x, first, of apparently only 4 NLers with 7 HR in 6 consecutive games
            4. Jim O'Rourke
            5. Harry Heilmann
            6. Sam Crawford
            7. Jack Fournier
            8. Tilly Walker
            9. Tim Jordan
            10. Bob Meusel


            I felt guilty about Burkett until I read JJPM more parsingly. I trust his numbers. 50% IPHRs for Sam vs. 5/7 for Burkett seems like a big difference. I was sold on Jordan though.
            Last edited by PVNICK; 03-29-2020, 07:39 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
              1. Wally Berger
              2. Mike Tiernan
              3. George Kelly he has some early accomplishments (perhaps just trtiviata) such as first player with 3 HRs in a game 2x, first, of apparently only 4 NLers with 7 HR in 6 consecutive games
              4. Harry Heilmann
              5. Sam Crawford
              6. Jack Fournier
              7. Tilly Walker
              8. Tim Jordan
              9. Bob Meusel
              10. Zeke Bonura

              I felt guilty about Burkett until I read JJPM more parsingly. I trust his numbers. 50% IPHRs for Sam vs. 5/7 for Burkett seems like a big difference. I was sold on Jordan though.
              No on O'Rourke? he is the only 3X home run leader not elected. He should at least be on your radar and ahead of your current bottom 4. O'Rourke also belted more actual, out of the park home runs than Crawford in an even more difficult home run hitting era.

              On Heilmann, he only topped 20 home runs once in the same era where many were hitting 20+ a season. He was better than 5th in home runs 2X (once 3rd amd once 4th). I hope the guys supporting Heilmann now will be supporting Rob Deer when his day comes.
              Last edited by jjpm74; 03-29-2020, 04:23 PM.

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              • #8
                I was looking at some oddball home run stats. I found it interesting that Robin Ventura is tied for 5th all time with 18 career grand slams:

                1. Alex Rodriguez: 25 (696)
                2. Lou Gehrig: 23 (493)
                3. Manny Ramirez 21 (555)
                4. Eddie Murray 19 (504)
                5. Willie McCovey 18 (521)
                5. Robin Ventura 18 (294)

                Ventura is the only one there with under 500 home runs besides Gehrig. It is safe to say Gehrig and his 493 home runs would have surpassed 500 home runs had he not suffered from Lou Gehrig's disease. Ventura was under 300 home runs. You have to go way down the list to find the next guy with less than 300 home runs. Travis Hafner who is tied at 29th all time with 12 grand slams belted only 213 home runs. Matt Stairs also at #29 ended up with 265 home runs. Rudy York is also there at #29 with 277 career home runs.Joe Rudi, also tied at 29 with 12 only had 179 career home runs, making his home runs count more than anyone.

                The other oddball stat were walk off home runs. There are currently 18 players in MLB history with at least 10 walk off home runs. These players had 10 or more walk off home runs in their careers:

                Jim Thome 13
                Jimmie Foxx 12
                Mickey Mantle 12
                Stan Musial 12
                Albert Pujols 12
                Frank Robinson 12
                Babe Ruth 12
                David Ortiz 11
                Tony Perez 11
                Ryan Zimmerman 11
                Dick Allen 10
                Harold Baines 10
                Barry Bonds 10
                Adam Dunn 10
                Jason Giambi 10
                Reggie Jackson 10
                Mike Schmidt 10
                Sammy Sosa 10

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                • #9
                  1. Wally Berger
                  2. Jim O'Rourke
                  3. Bob Meusel
                  4. Tillie Walker
                  5. Harry Heilmann
                  6. Hugh Duffy
                  7. Mike Tiernan
                  8. Sam Crawford
                  9. Bug Holliday
                  10. Hardy Richardson

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post

                    No on O'Rourke? he is the only 3X home run leader not elected. He should at least be on your radar and ahead of your current bottom 4. O'Rourke also belted more actual, out of the park home runs than Crawford in an even more difficult home run hitting era.

                    On Heilmann, he only topped 20 home runs once in the same era where many were hitting 20+ a season. He was better than 5th in home runs 2X (once 3rd amd once 4th). I hope the guys supporting Heilmann now will be supporting Rob Deer when his day comes.
                    lololol

                    I stand corrected on O'Rourke and have amended my ballot.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                      I was looking at some oddball home run stats. I found it interesting that Robin Ventura is tied for 5th all time with 18 career grand slams:

                      The other oddball stat were walk off home runs. There are currently 18 players in MLB history with at least 10 walk off home runs. These players had 10 or more walk off home runs in their careers:

                      Jim Thome 13
                      Jimmie Foxx 12
                      Mickey Mantle 12
                      Stan Musial 12
                      Albert Pujols 12
                      Frank Robinson 12
                      Babe Ruth 12
                      David Ortiz 11
                      Tony Perez 11
                      Ryan Zimmerman 11
                      Dick Allen 10
                      Harold Baines 10
                      Barry Bonds 10
                      Adam Dunn 10
                      Jason Giambi 10
                      Reggie Jackson 10
                      Mike Schmidt 10
                      Sammy Sosa 10
                      Zimmerman jumps out at you here...he's only got 270 career HR, I think the next lowest is Dick Allen with 351, and Baines and Perez are the only other two below 400.

                      I'm not going to do the math, but I'll guesstimate that Zim's only got about 50% of the average career HR of everyone else. (So far, he's still active, of course.) Clustered around 540 HR are Foxx, Mantle, Ortiz, and Schmidt.

                      Dude is pretty clutch.
                      Last edited by Cougar; 03-30-2020, 04:36 PM.

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                      • #12
                        1. Jim O'Roarke
                        2. Wally Berger
                        3. Mike Tiernan
                        4. Jesse Burkett
                        5. Sam Crawford
                        6. Harry Heilmann
                        7. Honus Wagner
                        8. Tilly Walker
                        9. Bob Meusel
                        10. Hardy Richardson

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                        • #13
                          Every single person here (other than myself) is spelling Tillie Walker with a "y". Why?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                            Every single person here (other than myself) is spelling Tillie Walker with a "y". Why?
                            Probably path dependence, and/or inertia. It was spelled "Tilly" in the first post, and the error didn't catch anyone's attention enough to correct it. Good catch.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cougar View Post

                              Probably path dependence, and/or inertia. It was spelled "Tilly" in the first post, and the error didn't catch anyone's attention enough to correct it. Good catch.
                              But my Aunt Tillie spells it Tillie!

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