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Home Run HoF Project: Year 8 - 1946 (5)

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  • bluesky5
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    1. Mike Tiernan - 96 points
    2a Wally Berger - 94
    2b Jim O'Rourke
    4. Sam Crawford - 54
    5. Harry Heilmann - 48
    ---------Inductees---------
    6a High Pockets Kelly - 46
    6b Hans Wagner
    8. Tillie Walker - 38
    9. Hugh Duffy 34
    10. Tim Jordan - 32
    11. Bob Meusel - 28
    12. Bug Holliday - 18
    12. Jack Fournier - 16
    13. Jesse Burkett - 11
    15a Hardy Richardson - 4
    15b Chick Hafey

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  • JR Hart
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    Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

    Good choice on Bug Holliday JR. Was worried you weren't going to make it this round.
    OH yeah I'm in

    Are we still going?

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  • bluesky5
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    Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
    Time to clear the docket Comparing the dead ball vs live ball guys is too unfair
    Good choice on Bug Holliday JR. Was worried you weren't going to make it this round.

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  • JR Hart
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    Time to clear the docket Comparing the dead ball vs live ball guys is too unfair
    1 Tim Jordan
    2 Mike Tiernan
    3 Jim O'Rourke:
    4 Bug Holliday
    5 Tillie Walker
    6 Honus Wagner
    7 High Pockets Kelly
    8 Bob Meusel -
    9 Chick Hafey
    10 Wally Berger

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  • jjpm74
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    Originally posted by Cougar View Post

    Probably path dependence, and/or inertia. It was spelled "Tilly" in the first post, and the error didn't catch anyone's attention enough to correct it. Good catch.
    But my Aunt Tillie spells it Tillie!

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  • Cougar
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    Originally posted by dgarza View Post
    Every single person here (other than myself) is spelling Tillie Walker with a "y". Why?
    Probably path dependence, and/or inertia. It was spelled "Tilly" in the first post, and the error didn't catch anyone's attention enough to correct it. Good catch.

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  • dgarza
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    Every single person here (other than myself) is spelling Tillie Walker with a "y". Why?

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  • Cougar
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    1. Jim O'Roarke
    2. Wally Berger
    3. Mike Tiernan
    4. Jesse Burkett
    5. Sam Crawford
    6. Harry Heilmann
    7. Honus Wagner
    8. Tilly Walker
    9. Bob Meusel
    10. Hardy Richardson

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  • Cougar
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    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
    I was looking at some oddball home run stats. I found it interesting that Robin Ventura is tied for 5th all time with 18 career grand slams:

    The other oddball stat were walk off home runs. There are currently 18 players in MLB history with at least 10 walk off home runs. These players had 10 or more walk off home runs in their careers:

    Jim Thome 13
    Jimmie Foxx 12
    Mickey Mantle 12
    Stan Musial 12
    Albert Pujols 12
    Frank Robinson 12
    Babe Ruth 12
    David Ortiz 11
    Tony Perez 11
    Ryan Zimmerman 11
    Dick Allen 10
    Harold Baines 10
    Barry Bonds 10
    Adam Dunn 10
    Jason Giambi 10
    Reggie Jackson 10
    Mike Schmidt 10
    Sammy Sosa 10
    Zimmerman jumps out at you here...he's only got 270 career HR, I think the next lowest is Dick Allen with 351, and Baines and Perez are the only other two below 400.

    I'm not going to do the math, but I'll guesstimate that Zim's only got about 50% of the average career HR of everyone else. (So far, he's still active, of course.) Clustered around 540 HR are Foxx, Mantle, Ortiz, and Schmidt.

    Dude is pretty clutch.
    Last edited by Cougar; 03-30-2020, 04:36 PM.

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  • PVNICK
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    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post

    No on O'Rourke? he is the only 3X home run leader not elected. He should at least be on your radar and ahead of your current bottom 4. O'Rourke also belted more actual, out of the park home runs than Crawford in an even more difficult home run hitting era.

    On Heilmann, he only topped 20 home runs once in the same era where many were hitting 20+ a season. He was better than 5th in home runs 2X (once 3rd amd once 4th). I hope the guys supporting Heilmann now will be supporting Rob Deer when his day comes.
    lololol

    I stand corrected on O'Rourke and have amended my ballot.

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  • dgarza
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    1. Wally Berger
    2. Jim O'Rourke
    3. Bob Meusel
    4. Tillie Walker
    5. Harry Heilmann
    6. Hugh Duffy
    7. Mike Tiernan
    8. Sam Crawford
    9. Bug Holliday
    10. Hardy Richardson

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  • jjpm74
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    I was looking at some oddball home run stats. I found it interesting that Robin Ventura is tied for 5th all time with 18 career grand slams:

    1. Alex Rodriguez: 25 (696)
    2. Lou Gehrig: 23 (493)
    3. Manny Ramirez 21 (555)
    4. Eddie Murray 19 (504)
    5. Willie McCovey 18 (521)
    5. Robin Ventura 18 (294)

    Ventura is the only one there with under 500 home runs besides Gehrig. It is safe to say Gehrig and his 493 home runs would have surpassed 500 home runs had he not suffered from Lou Gehrig's disease. Ventura was under 300 home runs. You have to go way down the list to find the next guy with less than 300 home runs. Travis Hafner who is tied at 29th all time with 12 grand slams belted only 213 home runs. Matt Stairs also at #29 ended up with 265 home runs. Rudy York is also there at #29 with 277 career home runs.Joe Rudi, also tied at 29 with 12 only had 179 career home runs, making his home runs count more than anyone.

    The other oddball stat were walk off home runs. There are currently 18 players in MLB history with at least 10 walk off home runs. These players had 10 or more walk off home runs in their careers:

    Jim Thome 13
    Jimmie Foxx 12
    Mickey Mantle 12
    Stan Musial 12
    Albert Pujols 12
    Frank Robinson 12
    Babe Ruth 12
    David Ortiz 11
    Tony Perez 11
    Ryan Zimmerman 11
    Dick Allen 10
    Harold Baines 10
    Barry Bonds 10
    Adam Dunn 10
    Jason Giambi 10
    Reggie Jackson 10
    Mike Schmidt 10
    Sammy Sosa 10

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  • jjpm74
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    Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
    1. Wally Berger
    2. Mike Tiernan
    3. George Kelly he has some early accomplishments (perhaps just trtiviata) such as first player with 3 HRs in a game 2x, first, of apparently only 4 NLers with 7 HR in 6 consecutive games
    4. Harry Heilmann
    5. Sam Crawford
    6. Jack Fournier
    7. Tilly Walker
    8. Tim Jordan
    9. Bob Meusel
    10. Zeke Bonura

    I felt guilty about Burkett until I read JJPM more parsingly. I trust his numbers. 50% IPHRs for Sam vs. 5/7 for Burkett seems like a big difference. I was sold on Jordan though.
    No on O'Rourke? he is the only 3X home run leader not elected. He should at least be on your radar and ahead of your current bottom 4. O'Rourke also belted more actual, out of the park home runs than Crawford in an even more difficult home run hitting era.

    On Heilmann, he only topped 20 home runs once in the same era where many were hitting 20+ a season. He was better than 5th in home runs 2X (once 3rd amd once 4th). I hope the guys supporting Heilmann now will be supporting Rob Deer when his day comes.
    Last edited by jjpm74; 03-29-2020, 04:23 PM.

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  • PVNICK
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    1. Wally Berger
    2. Mike Tiernan
    3. George Kelly he has some early accomplishments (perhaps just trtiviata) such as first player with 3 HRs in a game 2x, first, of apparently only 4 NLers with 7 HR in 6 consecutive games
    4. Jim O'Rourke
    5. Harry Heilmann
    6. Sam Crawford
    7. Jack Fournier
    8. Tilly Walker
    9. Tim Jordan
    10. Bob Meusel


    I felt guilty about Burkett until I read JJPM more parsingly. I trust his numbers. 50% IPHRs for Sam vs. 5/7 for Burkett seems like a big difference. I was sold on Jordan though.
    Last edited by PVNICK; 03-29-2020, 07:39 PM.

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  • bluesky5
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    He was the last guy on the ballot, basically. He had some good HR years in the early live ball era too. He adapted quick. I do like Jordan better I forgot about him. Have him at 9th now. Don't know how O'Rourke got to 10th I put him back up at 6th which may be low.

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