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    2021 BBF Ballot Screening Committee

    This is the ninth annual meeting of the BBF Ballot Screening Committee, where we will tell the BBWAA Screening Committee which players deserve to be on the next Hall of Fame ballot.

    Soon the BBWAA Ballot Screening Committee will meet to decide which players will make the ballot for their next election. Ten-year veterans who last played in 2015 will be newly eligible. The committee always does its work "in quiet rooms" hidden from any scrutiny. So I don't know who is on the committee or exactly when they plan to meet. Rule 4-A of the BBWAA election rules outlines their task:


    4. Method of Election:

    A. BBWAA Screening Committee - A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.

    In this poll we will consider the first-year candidates for the 2021 BBWAA ballot. Choose as many as you think deserve to be on the ballot. However, try to vote for at least 10, as a bare-bones minimum. Please don't vote for more than 24, try to do a little screening. Here's last year's BBF Ballot Screening.

    I have done a prescreening, paring down from 50 to 31 players in the poll. None of those 19 cut are close to minimum standards for making the ballot: position players Jeff Baker, Willie Bloomquist, Alberto Callaspo, Chris Denorfia, Dan Johnson, Reed Johnson, Gerald Laird, David Murphy, Wil Nieves, Skip Schumaker; pitchers Grant Balfour, Joe Beimel, Bruce Chen, Randy Choate, Kevin Correia, Neal Cotts, Jeff Francis, Jason Frasor, Tim Stauffer. Given their usual standards the screeners will place about 16-17 of those 50 on the ballot; although to be honest, only about three of them really have any business being in a poll for the HOF.

    This year's award for top sub-10-year man (ineligible for the ballot) goes to Josh Hamilton. His exclusion from this ballot highlights the absurdity of the ten-years rule, as he is one of the top five players retiring in 2015. The first player chosen in the 1999 draft, Hamilton was a 5-time all star. He won the MVP in 2010, finishing 5th and 7th in other years. Struggles with substance abuse delayed his debut until he was 25, then injuries cut him down at age 34. He finished with a 129 OPS+ and 28.2 WAR. Honorable mention goes to Chad Billingsley.

    Keep in mind that this poll is not to vote for who you think should be in the Hall, or who you think should be considered, or even who had potential. This poll asks you to decide which guys meet the standards used by the BBWAA Screening committee. If you're not sure what their standards are, look at the 2020 HOF voting.

    Here are basic stats for the top 31 newly eligible candidates:
    Jaws Name Yrs From ASG bWAR fWAR MVPsh WinSh HOFm OPS+ PA H HR RBI SB BA OBP SLG
    CF-34th Torii Hunter 19 1997 5 50.7 43.0 0.37 277 58 110 9692 2452 353 1391 195 .277 .331 .461
    3B-61st Aramis Ramirez 18 1998 3 32.4 38.4 0.43 272 85 115 8986 2303 386 1417 29 .283 .341 .492
    CF-74th Shane Victorino 12 2003 2 31.5 29.3 0.06 153 32 102 5164 1274 108 489 231 .275 .340 .425
    RF-81st Alex Rios 12 2004 2 27.3 25.8 0.04 159 20 100 6929 1778 169 794 253 .277 .321 .434
    CF-87th Grady Sizemore 10 2004 3 27.7 29.7 0.22 139 34 115 4724 1098 150 518 143 .265 .349 .457
    CF-127th David DeJesus 13 2003 0 23.4 25.5 0 147 6 105 5916 1434 99 573 66 .275 .349 .412
    RF-101st Nick Swisher 12 2004 1 21.4 25.1 0 172 14 113 6308 1338 245 803 13 .249 .351 .447
    2B-97th Dan Uggla 10 2006 3 18.2 23.2 0.03 162 35 107 5509 1149 235 706 26 .241 .336 .447
    RF-145th Michael Cuddyer 15 2001 2 17.7 17.1 0.02 153 26 113 6102 1522 197 794 75 .277 .344 .461
    SS-159th Clint Barmes 13 2003 0 14.9 7.8 0 81 0 75 4167 932 89 415 43 .245 .294 .379
    RF-158th Corey Hart 11 2004 2 14.4 12.9 0 110 17 112 4114 1009 162 538 85 .271 .329 .478
    1B-157th Adam LaRoche 12 2004 0 14.2 11.5 0.19 161 16 111 6329 1452 255 882 13 .260 .336 .462
    RF-167th Cody Ross 12 2003 0 13.5 13.2 0 100 1 104 3806 904 132 508 33 .262 .322 .445
    LF-302nd Jonny Gomes 13 2003 0 3.5 7.4 0 100 2 106 4009 835 162 526 50 .242 .333 .436
    LF-336th Delmon Young 10 2006 0 3.2 -1.3 0.11 95 7 98 4371 1162 109 566 36 .283 .316 .421
    CF-89th Josh Hamilton 9 2007 5 28.2 27.9 1.52 147 64 129 4350 1134 200 701 50 .290 .349 .516
    Jaws Name Yrs From ASG bWAR fWAR CYAsh WinSh HOFm ERA+ W L ERA G SV IP SO WHIP
    SP-90th Mark Buehrle 16 2000 5 59.1 60.6 0.04 220 52 117 214 160 3.81 518 0 3283.1 1870 1.281
    SP-84th Tim Hudson 17 1999 4 57.9 64.5 0.68 219 66 120 222 133 3.49 482 0 3126.2 2080 1.239
    SP-206th Dan Haren 13 2003 3 35.1 41.2 0.05 144 30 109 153 131 3.75 391 1 2419.2 2013 1.181
    SP-249th Barry Zito 15 2000 3 31.9 36.0 0.81 145 48 105 165 143 4.04 433 0 2576.2 1885 1.337
    SP-350th A.J. Burnett 17 1999 1 28.8 35.0 0 137 29 104 164 157 3.99 435 0 2731.1 2513 1.325
    SP-441st Randy Wolf 16 1999 1 22.8 30.8 0 116 6 99 133 125 4.24 390 1 2328.1 1814 1.349
    SP-501st Aaron Harang 14 2002 0 20.1 21.5 0.06 102 13 97 128 143 4.26 387 0 2322.0 1842 1.360
    RP-72nd LaTroy Hawkins 21 1995 0 17.8 15.5 0 124 36 106 75 94 4.31 1042 127 1467.1 983 1.406
    SP C.J. Wilson 11 2005 2 17.5 20.0 0.05 95 26 110 94 70 3.74 444 52 1430.1 1259 1.321
    SP-650th Scott Baker 10 2005 0 15.7 15.9 0 58 4 99 66 53 4.26 193 0 1064.2 839 1.253
    RP-125th Rafael Betancourt 12 2003 0 14.1 13.9 0 82 4 133 38 37 3.36 680 75 685.2 724 1.108
    RP-139th Rafael Soriano 14 2002 1 13.8 14.5 0.03 91 40 144 24 28 2.89 591 207 636.1 641 1.078
    SP-702nd Wandy Rodriguez 11 2005 0 13.2 14.7 0 73 2 100 97 98 4.10 275 0 1557.1 1281 1.345
    RP-236th Jeremy Affeldt 14 2002 0 9.7 7.3 0 67 25 110 43 46 3.97 774 28 926.0 720 1.404
    SP-944th Jason Marquis 15 2000 1 6.8 14.4 0 85 10 93 124 118 4.61 377 1 1968.1 1174 1.447
    RP-590th Kevin Gregg 13 2003 0 4.6 3.6 0 65 15 102 30 46 4.24 594 177 720.1 661 1.391
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    Jeremy Affeldt
    0%
    0
    Scott Baker
    0%
    0
    Clint Barmes
    0%
    0
    Rafael Betancourt
    25.00%
    3
    Mark Buehrle
    91.67%
    11
    A.J. Burnett
    83.33%
    10
    Michael Cuddyer
    50.00%
    6
    David DeJesus
    16.67%
    2
    Jonny Gomes
    0%
    0
    Kevin Gregg
    0%
    0
    Aaron Harang
    33.33%
    4
    Dan Haren
    91.67%
    11
    Corey Hart
    16.67%
    2
    LaTroy Hawkins
    50.00%
    6
    Tim Hudson
    100.00%
    12
    Torii Hunter
    100.00%
    12
    Adam LaRoche
    25.00%
    3
    Jason Marquis
    0%
    0
    Aramis Ramirez
    100.00%
    12
    Alex Rios
    50.00%
    6
    Wandy Rodriguez
    0%
    0
    Cody Ross
    0%
    0
    Grady Sizemore
    83.33%
    10
    Rafael Soriano
    58.33%
    7
    Nick Swisher
    41.67%
    5
    Dan Uggla
    58.33%
    7
    Shane Victorino
    83.33%
    10
    C.J. Wilson
    0%
    0
    Randy Wolf
    33.33%
    4
    Delmon Young
    0%
    0
    Barry Zito
    100.00%
    12

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Freakshow; 11-07-2020, 08:19 AM.
    Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

    Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.
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    I ended up picking Buehrle, Burnett, Haren, Hawkins, Hudson, Hunter, Ramirez, Rios, Sizemore, Soriano, Swisher, Wolf, Zito.

    Out of all of those players, Buehrle, Hudson and Hunter are the most likely to get a vote.

    It is also worth noting that if Josh Hamilton had played 10 seasons, I would have added him as well.Such wasted talent there,
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    • #3
      Voted for 12-13 of them. Seems like a particularly weak crowd this year. Not many good choices; not even a good amount of "meh" choices.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
        It is also worth noting that if Josh Hamilton had played 10 seasons, I would have added him as well.Such wasted talent there,
        Same here. I saw him listed and then totally didn't notice him missing from the actual ballot.

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        • #5
          Mark Buehrle
          Dan Haren
          Tim Hudson
          Torii Hunter
          Aramis Ramirez
          Alex Rios
          Grady Sizemore
          Nick Swisher
          Dan Uggla
          Shane Victorino

          Shame on them for elevating non-candidates like Alex Rios and Nick Swisher over someone like Josh Hamilton because of an arbitrary standard like 10 seasons played.

          I held my nose to get this many. I refuse to dishonor the electoral process any further.
          "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
          "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
          "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
          "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dgarza View Post
            Voted for 12-13 of them. Seems like a particularly weak crowd this year. Not many good choices; not even a good amount of "meh" choices.
            Yes, indeed. This is the weakest first-year class in nine years, since Bernie Williams led the 2012 newbies. The wealth of candidates we enjoyed from 2013-19 is now the good old days.
            Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

            Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dgarza View Post
              Voted for 12-13 of them. Seems like a particularly weak crowd this year. Not many good choices; not even a good amount of "meh" choices.
              Agreed, an extremely weak class. Only six candidates(Buehrle, Haren, Hudson, Hunter, Sizemore & Victorino) could muster up a 10 or more career bWAA.

              The candidates I voted for:

              Rafael Betancourt
              Mark Buehrle
              A.J. Burnett
              Dan Haren
              Tim Hudson
              Torii Hunter
              Aramis Ramirez
              Grady Sizemore
              Rafael Soriano
              Shane Victorino
              Barry Zito
              Last edited by NJRob65; 04-07-2020, 03:03 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
                Shame on them for elevating non-candidates like Alex Rios and Nick Swisher over someone like Josh Hamilton because of an arbitrary standard like 10 seasons played.

                I held my nose to get this many. I refuse to dishonor the electoral process any further.
                It's a disgusting situation. Maybe if we start a campaign now to increase public awareness of this, I believe there's a chance the HOF would see the obviousness of including Hamilton on the ballot.

                Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
                  It's a disgusting situation. Maybe if we start a campaign now to increase public awareness of this, I believe there's a chance the HOF would see the obviousness of including Hamilton on the ballot.
                  I would prefer they go in the other direction. We're not likely to dig up much outrage over people left off the ballot when those same wouldn't receive many votes for election anyway.

                  I would rather campaign for more integral rule changes or, at least, those with more plausible chances of implementation.
                  "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                  "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                  "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                  "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
                    I would prefer they go in the other direction. We're not likely to dig up much outrage over people left off the ballot when those same wouldn't receive many votes for election anyway.

                    I would rather campaign for more integral rule changes or, at least, those with more plausible chances of implementation.
                    I'm with you there and I'd like to see them just get rid of the 10 year rule completely. It is a silly benchmark to begin with. Had Hamilton managed to drag himself onto a field in 2016 for a game, he'd be on the ballot and the thing is, he would probably get a few votes because he was a feel good story for a short while.

                    If they must have a minimum benchmark, make it 5 years or the equivalent of 5 full seasons in PAs. Do the same for SPs and RPs. That should be easy enough for them to figure out.

                    On this current group of players, I voted based on what I think the screening committee will do. If it was up to me, these guys would be the only players to make the ballot this year:

                    Buehrle, Burnett, Hamilton, Haren, Hawkins, Hudson, Hunter, Zito; and if I were a BBWAA voter, none of these players would get a vote from me next year. I do recognize the significance of making a ballot even if one has no chance of votes, and honestly those 8 are the only ones who had noteworthy enough careers to warrant that nod from me. Sizemore, Victorino and Swisher were just basic players and in other years probably wouldn't be getting any real support here.
                    Last edited by jjpm74; 04-07-2020, 04:23 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Plate appearances for position players and some amalgam of games pitched & innings pitched (to encompass both starters & relievers) for pitchers would definitely seem to be more relevant than seasons in which one got into a box score.
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                      • #12
                        Count me in among the "big yikes" crowd. I would vote for Hudson, Hunter and maybe Buehrle on a real ballot, but (don't cap me on this) I wouldn't be surprised if none of the other guys here got votes.

                        Buehrle
                        Burnett
                        Haren
                        Hudson
                        Hunter
                        Ramirez
                        Victorino
                        Zito
                        They don’t think it be like it is, but it do.

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                        • #13
                          Who will get the most votes from the writers? Buehrle, Burnett, Hudson, Hunter or Zito? I'll go with Torii Hunter.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by henrich View Post
                            Who will get the most votes from the writers? Buehrle, Burnett, Hudson, Hunter or Zito? I'll go with Torii Hunter.
                            I'm thinking Hudson.

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                            • #15
                              Freakshow, in the opening post, when you've posted the statistics, some numbers are in red.

                              I've looked a few times, and I can't see if you've said somewhere what the red indicates. I might just be missing it; if so, I apologize.

                              Please advise?

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