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    The following players have a career bbrefWAR of 70.0 or higher according to their leader board, are not active, and are no longer on or eligible for the BBWAA ballot. Who do you support for the HOF?
    21
    Bill Dahlen
    76.19%
    16
    Bobby Grich
    76.19%
    16
    Jim McCormick
    42.86%
    9
    Raphael Palmeiro
    61.90%
    13
    Pete Rose
    71.43%
    15
    Lou Whitaker
    90.48%
    19

  • #2
    All but McCormick.

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    • #3
      All of them

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      • #4
        Originally posted by pedrosrotatorcuff View Post
        All but McCormick.
        I concur with this.

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        • #5
          Sorry, I meant to vote for everyone. The screen shifted up so I hit Post instead of voting for somebody.
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          • #6
            All of them. So to make it interesting, I've ranked them.

            1. McCormick
            2. Grich
            3. Whitaker
            4. Dahlen
            5. Palmeiro
            6. Rose
            Put it in the books.

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            • #7
              All of them.

              1. Pete Rose
              2. Bobby Grich
              3. Lou Whitaker
              4. Bill Dahlen
              5. Rafael Palmeiro
              6. Jim McCormick

              While I expect 70+ WAR to signal a Hall of Famer, I wouldn't ever want to base a player's worthiness solely on reaching that number. I'm opposed to any "automatic" election.
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              • #8
                I voted for all (to no one's surprise, I presume).

                If someone wanted to exclude Palmeiro or Rose, I would respect their opinion without reservation. But obviously their on-field work merits induction.

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                • #9
                  Palmiero and Rose have obvious HOF numbers. Grich and Whitaker just as obviously do not. McCormick I could go either way on...it's so hard to judge those old timers.

                  I'm pretty steadfast in my opinion that that a HOFer should have a pretty long stretch of greatness and/or overwhelming counting stats. Grich and Whitaker only sniffed greatness for a season or two.
                  Last edited by willshad; 07-31-2020, 10:02 PM.

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                  • #10
                    I'm not voting for Rose or Palmiero. I'd probably hold my nose and vote for Rose once he can no longer enjoy or profit from the honor. His production merits induction, his behavior does not. Palmiero seems to be a PED creation--he wasn't on a HOF trajectory before he started juicing, but he found the right combination of drugs to get that kind of production. That bugs me--it's not what sport is supposed to be about.
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                    • #11
                      Pete Rose and Lou Whitaker, but Lou is a somewhat lower ranked guy, so I can understand tight HOFs not having him.

                      Rose of course brings a huge stench with him, but if you can stomach it belongs in.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                        I'm not voting for Rose or Palmiero. I'd probably hold my nose and vote for Rose once he can no longer enjoy or profit from the honor. His production merits induction, his behavior does not. Palmiero seems to be a PED creation--he wasn't on a HOF trajectory before he started juicing, but he found the right combination of drugs to get that kind of production. That bugs me--it's not what sport is supposed to be about.
                        It bugs me as well. I made the comparison of Will Clark vs Rafael Palmiero before through their first eight seasons and Clark was the far superior player. That's not even debatable.

                        As for Rose my question is even by some major miracle he is reinstated it's not a given he would be elected to the HoF. Though, his career merits induction he's made quite a bit of enemies who will not vote for him.
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                        • #13
                          Dahlen, Whitaker.
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