Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Ninth Induction and Elimination Rounds of Playoff Hall of Fame's Third Round

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Ninth Induction and Elimination Rounds of Playoff Hall of Fame's Third Round


    Playoff HOF rules

    1. This project will start with 512 major leaguers selected by me. I started with the top 500 in BBref WAR, sorted out the guys who hadn’t retired, and added in major leaguers who made the actual Hall or who made it in some of our shadow hall projects. I added a few other suggestions and changes, and went with those 512

    2. Those 512 were organized randomly into 64 groups of eight. I’d prefer voters to rank them 1 through 8, with each player getting 8 points minus his ranking. I will accept votes that only name the four they think are the best HOF candidates out of the group. In that instance, the four named will be counted as being in fourth place, the other four as being in fifth place. This last provision is meant to help increase participation. I envision each election taking only one week, though in cases of holidays or other issues, I reserve the right to extend that time.

    3. I will go through the entire first round before proceeding to the second, the entire second before proceeding to the third and so forth. In the first round, four from each group will go on into the 1-0 bracket, and four will go on to the 0-1 bracket. That will yield 256 in each half.

    4. For the second round, we will start with the winners bracket. Half, or 128 will go to the group of 2-0 players. The other half will drop into the group of 1-1 players. Then we’ll get to the losers bracket. The winners will also go into the 1-1 bracket, yielding 256 players in that group. The guys in the first group who are 1-0 and then lose in the second round will fill in in four spots in the 32nd group of 1-1 players, then the second group of 1-0 guys to lose to go into the 1-1 pool will go into the 31st group and so forth to avoid as much as possible facing the same guys multiple times. The winners of the first 0-1 group will fill in the remaining four spots in the first 1-1 group, the winners of the second 0-1 group will fill in the remaining four spots of the second 1-1 group and so forth. The losers of the 0-1 group will fall to the 0-2 group.

    5. For the third round, the winners of the 2-0 group are inducted, and the losers of the 0-2 group are eliminated. That’s 64 in each of the inducted and eliminated groups. The losers of the 2-0 group go to the 2-1 group, which will provide 64 of the 192 players in the 2-1 group. The other 128 will come from the winners of the 1-1 group. I will assign the losers from the 2-0 group starting in the 12th group of 2-1 players and then filling in every third slot until they’re filled, again to try and minimize facing too many of the same players faced in earlier rounds. I will do the same thing for the winners of the 0-2 among the 1-2 players

    6. For the fourth round, the winners of the 2-1 group (96 of them) will be inducted, driving the total up to 160 inductees. Similarly, the losers of the 1-2 group are eliminated, meaning 160 of the original 512 are now out. The remaining 192 will be in the 2-2 group. For the 2-2 group, the first 2-1 losers will be in the first 2-2 group, the second 2-1 losers in the second 2-2 group, and so on. For the 1-2 winners, the first group goes to the 24th 2-2 group, the second to the 23rd, and so on.

    7. The 96 losers of the fifth round will be saved as reserves in case we need to replenish the pool of players when we go annual. The 96 winners of the 2-2 round will compete in the sixth round. The 48 winners of that round are inducted to bring us to 208 inductees. The 48 losers of the 3-2 round will compete in the seventh round. The 24 winners of the seventh round are inducted, which will get us 232 MLB inductees.. The 24 losers will be the first players to populate the pool to use against retired players.

    8. I will keep a list of the 12 players who went in as third or fourth place candidates in the seventh round as a reference for my two VCs, one for Japanese players, the other for players in a wide definition of Negro Leagues including any league with large numbers of Negro Leaguers, such as Mexico in the 1940’s, Cuba into the integration years, the Puerto Rican Winter League, the 1937 Dominican League, and so forth

    9. The point of this reference is that the middle of those 12 names should be used as one point of reference for what the floor should be considered to be for the VC selections. I will keep a list of the sixth third place candidates from the sixth fourth placers to aid people in determining where that middle point is. I will mandate that a minimum of five Japanese players must be inducted, and twelve Negro Leaguers. However, I will allow the VC voters to determine how many of the players in each group presented to them are over the floor level represented by the middle of the last 12 inductees list. I will add up the average number of candidates the VC members believe are over that floor for all groups in the category (Negro Leagues or Japan), and if it is higher than my mandated floor, that is how many candidates from that category will be inducted. If not, the mandated floor will be use,

    10. The VCs will have a playoff ranking within the category much like was used for the major leaguers. I will have to adjust the numbers to fit the number of inductees we determine and the number of candidates I offer to the VC.

    11. I won’t worry about ties except where they straddle the line between winners and losers in a group. In that case, the tie goes to the candidate rated higher by the most voters. After that, the next tie breaker is getting the most first place votes, then the most second place, and so on to the last place in the group. If that does not break the tie, there will be a runoff election. If that remains tied, random selection methods such as coin flips or high card will be used to break the tie

    12. A quorum for the major leaguers will be six votes. I suspect I would accept a quorum of four for the VC groups

    13. People may vote on only the major leaguers if they wish. People may choose to only participate in one or both VCs. They may participate in the MLB players and only one VC or they may be part of all three.

    14. The VCs will follow the selection of the first 232 MLB players. I will probably select some players who are not selected by the VCs to be put in the pool, and maybe some others to be placed among the reserves. Until the number of inductees are determined for the VC groups, this decision will have to be put on hold.

    15. One issue is player/managers. It will be up to the individual voter on players to determine how much credit for managing the voter wishes to give the person for managing at the same time he played, with the instruction that if he was a part time player the credit given should be smaller than if he was full time. If he wasn't playing or just getting a few ABs, the managing credit should be minimal that year in the player vote. However, this project is exclusively about players, so if a man managed after his playing days, that managing should not be considered. The essential standrad is how the player (emphasis on the word player, but a player/manager's contributions may be considered as noted above) helps his team win on the field.

    16. I will put the lists I intend to use for the VCs out in advance of the deliberations of those groups to permit discussion of possible additions or omissions on my part. My reason for not doing so now is I expect additional research to take place between now and the time we’re close to getting to the VCs, and I’d prefer to come up with the final list only once, and in this environment, it should come closer to the end of the MLB group than now to allow for the insights from that research to be included. I will note I will expect at least as many inductees as in the actual HOF or the Single Ballot HOF. For the 19th century, I think I should split them into pre 60' 6" distance pitchers and pre-1900 position players. That will be 7 pitchers and 18 position players at a minimum. For the Negro Leagues, I will have at least 31 players, and that minimum may rise if Doby, Irvin, Minoso and Campanella fail to make it among the major leaguers. For NPB players, I will count eight and allow a ninth if Ichiro is not elected with the MLB guys.

    17. It seems certain there will be retirements and/or deaths of players between now and the end of the VC deliberations. Once the VCs are done, we will put those players in the pool and select two for each season to have passed since the beginning of this project. Once that is done, we will go annual, electing two per year from the pool.

    18. If we get over 40 players in the pool, we will have a playoff to cut the number to 30. One way we will use to avoid playoffs is to cut players from the pool is to drop players from the pool to the reserves if they fail to make the final election for inductees three times. Once that happens, they will be ineligible to return to the pool for three years. If the pool drops below 12 names, we will have a playoff for the candidates in the reserves to bring the list back up to at least 24 names in the pool. If there is a playoff among the reserves, I will probably cut the number of reserves to no more than 48.

    19. I will maintain lists of the inductees, those in the pool, and those in the reserves, I will also have available a post of the current round and the round to come for the information of participants

    20. This project is open to everyone member of Fever in good standing who has not been barred from similar projects.

    21. You have to rank all the players in the group. One omission from the group would be plugged in at 8th if I cannot get the voter to correct it on his or her own. If there are two or more open spaces, the ballot cannot be counted. If a voter sees fit to put PED guys or gambling-tainted players at the bottom of the list, that's within his or her prerogative.

    22. I will promise to count changes to your ballot if you 1) make the change less than five minutes before I close the balloting (I won't do it before 7 am Saturday without notice of an intent to do otherwise)., and 2) either PM me or post in the thread to notify me of the change. If you do not do the second, I'll try to keep up with changes, but I will not guarantee it. The first condition has no exceptions.

















    Last edited by jalbright; Yesterday, 07:43 PM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    Here are the third and fourth rounds of the brackets:
    ....
    Code:
     
    2-0/01 …... 2.1 /01
    Lou Gehrig …... L2-0/09
    Lefty Grove …...
    Derek Jeter …...
    Mickey Mantle …...
    Kevin Brown …... w1-1/01
    Jim Bunning …...
    Gary Carter …...
    Bob Feller …...
    …...
    2-0/02 …... 2.1/02
    Johnny Bench …... w1-1/02
    Willie Stargell …...
    Arky Vaughan …...
    Bobby Wallace …...
    Pete Alexander …... L2-0/10
    Wade Boggs …...
    Chipper Jones …...
    Eddie Mathews …...
    …...
    2-0/03 …... 2.1/03
    Joe DiMaggio …... w1-1/03
    Gaylord Perry …...
    Babe Ruth …...
    Ted Williams …...
    Roger Connor …... w1-1/04
    Carl Hubbell …...
    Randy Johnson …...
    Duke Snider …...
    …...
    2-0/04 …... 2.1/04
    Hank Aaron …... L2-0/11
    George Brett …...
    Tim Raines …...
    Jackie Robinson …...
    Barry Bonds …... w1--1/05
    Carlton Fisk …...
    Walter Johnson …...
    Phil Niekro …...
    …...
    2-0/05 …... 2.1/05
    Eddie Murray …... w1-1/06
    Nolan Ryan …...
    Lou Whitaker …...
    Cy Young …...
    Ty Cobb …... L2-0/12
    Eddie Collins …...
    Sandy Koufax …...
    Rube Waddell …...
    …...
    2-0/06 …... 2.1/06
    Dick Allen …... w1-1/07
    King Kelly …...
    Paul Molitor …...
    Cal Ripken, Jr. …...
    Roger Clemens …... w1-1/08
    Sam Crawford …...
    Greg Maddux …...
    Juan Marichal …...
    …...
    2-0/07 …... 2.1/07
    Joe Cronin …... L2-0/13
    Joe McGinnity …...
    Alex Rodriguez …...
    Luis Tiant Jr. …...
    Jimmie Foxx …... w1-1/09
    Rickey Henderson …...
    Reggie Jackson …...
    Curt Schilling …...
    …...
    2-0/08 …... 2.1/08
    Craig Biggio …... w1-1/10
    Roberto Clemente …...
    Charlie Gehringer …...
    Mark McGwire …...
    Roberto Alomar …... L2-0/14
    Joe Morgan …...
    Al Simmons …...
    Robin Yount …...
    …...
    2-0/09 …... 2.1/09
    Lou Boudreau …... w1-1/11
    Bob Gibson …...
    Fergie Jenkins …...
    Nap LaJoie …...
    Dan Brouthers …... w1-1/12
    Manny Ramirez …...
    Frank Thomas …...
    Paul Waner …...
    …...
    2-0/10 …... 2.1/10
    Whitey Ford …... L2-0/15
    Pedro Martinez …...
    Honus Wagner …...
    Ed Walsh …...
    Roy Campanella …... w1-1/13
    Larry Doby …...
    Willie Keeler …...
    Edgar Martinez …...
    …...
    2-0/11 …... 2.1/11
    Bill Dickey …... w1-1/14
    Frankie Frisch …...
    Frank Robinson …...
    Ivan Rodriguez …...
    Wes Ferrell …... L2-0/16
    Andruw Jones …...
    Amos Rusie …...
    Alan Trammell …...
    …...
    2-0/12 …... 2.1/12
    Richie Ashburn …... w1-1/15
    Ed Delahanty …...
    Dwight Evans …...
    Mel Ott …...
    Steve Carlton …... w1-1/16
    Tony Gwynn …...
    Kid Nichols …...
    Ozzie Smith …...
    …...
    2-0/13 …... 2.1/13
    Jeff Bagwell …... Kevin Brown
    Bert Blyleven …... Jim Bunning
    Rogers Hornsby …... Bob Feller
    Hal Newhouser …... Derek Jeter
    Tim Keefe …... w1-1/17
    Eddie Plank …...
    Jim Thome …...
    Carl Yastrzemski …...
    …...
    2-0/14 …... 2.1/14
    Yogi Berra …... w1-1/18
    Billy Hamilton …...
    Paul Hines …...
    Minnie Minoso …...
    Tom Glavine …... Chipper Jones
    Willie Mays …... Willie Stargell
    Stan Musial …... Arky Vaughn
    Mike Piazza …... Bobby Wallace
    …...
    2-0/15 …... 2.1/15
    Mariano Rivera …... w1-1/19
    Robin Roberts …...
    Tom Seaver …...
    Tris Speaker …...
    Cap Anson …... w1-1/20
    Ken Griffey, Jr. …...
    Al Kaline …...
    Warren Spahn …...
    …...
    2-0/16 …... 2.1/16
    Carlos Beltan …... Roger Connor
    Adrian Beltre …... Carl Hubbell
    Willie McCovey …... Gaylord Perry
    Johnny Mize …... Duke Snider
    Hank Greenberg …... w1-1/21
    Christy Mathewson …...
    Mike Mussina …...
    Mike Schmidt …...
    …...
    1.1/01 …... 2.1/17
    Charlie Bennett …... w1-1/22
    Dolph Camili …...
    Addie Joss …...
    Ernie Lombardi …...
    Roy Halladay …... Carlton Fisk
    Joe Mauer …... Phil Niekro
    Brooks Robinson …... Tim Raines
    Pete Rose …... Jackie Robinson
    …...
    1.1/02 …... 2.1/18
    Chuck Finley …... w1-1/23
    Harry Hooper …...
    Jim Kaat …...
    Roger Maris …...
    Red Faber …... w1-1/24
    Gabby Hartnett …...
    Keith Hernandez …...
    Bernie Williams …...
    …...
    1.1/03 …... 2.1/19
    Max Carey …... Sandy Koufax
    Cupid Childs …... Eddie Murray
    Nap Rucker …... Rube Waddell
    Sammy Sosa …... Lou Whitaker
    Ernie Banks …... w1-1/25
    Buck Ewing …...
    Scott Rolen …...
    Joe Sewell …...
    …...
    1.1/04 …... 2.1/20
    Babe Herman …... w1-1/26
    Jorge Posada …...
    Sam Thompson …...
    Roy White …...
    Dennis Eckersley …... Dick Allen
    Bobby Grich …... Sam Crawford
    Gary Sheffield …... King Kelly
    Bill Terry …... Paul Molitor
    …...
    1.1/05 …... 2.1/21
    Rocky Colavito …... w1-1/27
    George Foster …...
    Clark Griffith …...
    Bret Saberhagen …...
    Bill Dahlen …... w1-1/28
    Todd Helton …...
    Joe Jackson …...
    Ryne Sandberg …...
    …...
    1.1/06 …... 2.1/22
    Buddy Bell …... Joe Cronin
    Bert Campaneris …... Joe McGinnity
    John McGraw …... Curt Schilling
    Tony Oliva …... Luis Tiant Jr
    Willie Davis …... w1-1/29
    Tony Phillips …...
    Jim Rice …...
    Hippo Vaughn …...
    …...
    1.1/07 …... 2.1/23
    Brian Giles …... w1-1/30
    Tony Lazzeri …...
    Vern Stephens …...
    Darryl Strawberry …...
    Fred Clarke …... Roberto Alomar
    Mickey Cochrane …... Craig Biggio
    Stan Coveleski …... Mark McGwire
    John Smoltz …... Robin Yount
    …...
    1.1/08 …... 2.1/24
    Roger Bresnahan …... w1-1/31
    Norm Cash …...
    Will Clark …...
    Eppa Rixey …...
    Jim Fregosi …... w1-1/32
    Charlie Keller …...
    Thurman Munson …...
    Dave Winfield …...
    …...
    1.1/09 …... 1.2 /01
    Tommy Bond …... w0-2/09
    Ned Garver …...
    Luis Gonzalez …...
    Ken Singleton …...
    Joe Medwick …... l1-1/01
    Pee Wee Reese …...
    Ted Simmons …...
    George Sisler …...
    …...
    1.1/10 …... 1.2/02
    Carlos Delgado …... l1-1/02
    Larry Jackson …...
    Joe Kelley …...
    Rusty Staub …...
    Earl Averill …... w0-2/10
    Jose Cruz …...
    Bid McPhee …...
    Andy Pettite …...
    …...
    1.1/11 …... 1.2/03
    Luis Aparicio …... l1-1/03
    Ron Guidry …...
    Harry Stovey …...
    Joe Tinker …...
    Orlando Cepeda …... l1-1/04
    Tomy Mullane …...
    Amos Otis …...
    Carlos Zambrano …...
    …...
    1.1/12 …... 2.1/04
    Eddie Ciccotte …... w0-2/11
    Mark Grace …...
    Catfish Hunter …...
    Jimmy Sheckard …...
    Mordecai Brown …... l1--1/05
    Ron Santo …...
    Jim Sundberg …...
    Deacon White …...
    …...
    1.1/13 …... 2.1/05
    Art Fletcher …... l1-1/06
    Chuck Knoblauch …...
    Ed Konetchy …...
    Graig Nettles …...
    Don Mattingly …... w0-2/12
    Rick Reuschel …...
    Frank Viola …...
    Hack Wilson …...
    …...
    1.1/14 …... 1.2/06
    Bob Caruthers …... l1-1/07
    Bobby Doerr …...
    Mickey Welch …...
    Jack Quinn …...
    Wally Berger …... l1-1/08
    John Clarkson …...
    Harmon Killebrew …...
    Edd Roush …...
    …...
    1.1/15 …... 1.2/07
    Kiki Cuyler …... w2-0/13
    Trevor Hoffman …...
    Dave Parker …...
    Bobby Veach …...
    Kenny Lofton …... l1-1/09
    Carl Mays …...
    Al Rosen …...
    Dazzy Vance …...
    …...
    1.1/16 …... 2.1/08
    Gil Hodges …... l1-1/10
    Heinie Manush …...
    Billy Pierce …...
    Willie Randolph …...
    Don Drysdale …... w0-2/14
    Jim Edmonds …...
    Tim Hudson …...
    Sherry Magee …...
    …...
    1.1/17 …... 1.2/09
    Johnny Evers …... l1-1/11
    George Uhle …...
    Matt Williams …...
    Wilbur Wood …...
    Frank Baker …... l1-1/12
    David Cone …...
    Johnny Pesky …...
    Old Hoss Radbourn …...
    …...
    1.1/18 …... 1.2/10
    Jake Beckley …... w0-2/15
    Rollie Fingers …...
    John Olerud …...
    Al Oliver …...
    Babe Adams …... l1-1/13
    Albert Belle …...
    Heinie Groh …...
    Joe Torre …...
    …...
    1.1/19 …... 1.2/11
    Nellie Fox …... l1-1/14
    Steve Garvey …...
    Jack Glasscock …...
    Johan Santana …...
    Ross Barnes …... w0-2/16
    Jesse Burkett …...
    Bob Lemon …...
    Jim Palmer …...
    …...
    1.1/20 …... 1.2/12
    Dave Concepcion …... l1-1/15
    Dennis Martinez …...
    Phil Rizzuto …...
    Eddie Rommel …...
    Dizzy Dean …... l1-1/16
    Elmer Flick …...
    Ralph Kiner …...
    Miguel Tejada …...
    …...
    1.1/21 …... 1.2/13
    Bob Elliott …... Charlie Buffinton
    Jack Fournier …... Charley Jones
    Jim McCormick …... Silver King
    Steve Rogers …... Gene Tenace
    Burleigh Grimes …... l1-1/17
    Sam Rice …...
    Wally Shang …...
    Dave Stieb …...
    …...
    1.1/22 …... 1.2/14
    Mike Griffin …... l1-1/18
    Herb Pennock …...
    Bob Shawkey …...
    George Van Haltren …...
    Lance Berkman …... Chief Bender
    Chuck Klein …... Dutch (E.) Leonard
    Jim O'Rourke …... Gil McDougald
    Jimmy Wynn …... Jack Morris
    …...
    1.1/23 …... 1.2/15
    Jack Clark …... l1-1/19
    Earle Combs …...
    Dan Quisenberry …...
    Lee Smith …...
    Ken Boyer …... l1-1/20
    Cesar Cedeno …...
    Rafael Palmiero …...
    Red Ruffing …...
    …...
    1.1/24 …... 1.2/16
    Sal Bando …... Mark Buehrle
    Darrell Evans …... Lave Cross
    Goose Gossage …... Noodles Hahn
    Tony Perez …... Cliff Lee
    Lou Brock …... l1-1/21
    Monte Irvin …...
    Al Spalding …...
    Chase Utley …...
    …...
    1.1/25 …... 1.2/17
    Roy Oswalt …... l1-1/22
    Darrell Porter …...
    Bruce Sutter …...
    Willie Wilson …...
    Bob Johnson …... Brett Butler
    Jeff Kent …... John Candelaria
    Reggie Smith …... Travis Jackson
    Vic Willis …... Ezra Sutton
    …...
    1.1/26 …... 1.2/18
    Frank Chance …... l1-1/23
    Jimmy Collins …...
    Fred McGriff …...
    Larry Walker …...
    Joe Gordon …... l1-1/24
    Ted Lyons …...
    David Ortiz …...
    John M Ward …...
    …...
    1.1/27 …... 1.2/19
    Harry Brecheen …... Dave Lopes
    Mark Langston …... Buddy Myer
    Jimmy Ryan …... Del Pratt
    Billy Wagner …... Schoolboy Rowe
    Nomar Garciaparra …... l1-1/25
    Harry Heilmann …...
    Vada Pinson …...
    Enos Slaughter …...
    …...
    1.1/28 …... 1.2/20
    Bobby Abreu …... l1-1/26
    Tommy Bridges …...
    Pud Galvin …...
    Vladimir Guerrero …...
    Luke Appling …... w0-2/06
    Andre Dawson …... Hugh Duffy
    Dwight Gooden …... Jerry Koosman
    Don Sutton …... Jimmy Rollins
    …... Dixie Walker
    1.1/29 …... 1.2/21
    Bill Freehan …... l1-1/27
    Goose Goslin …...
    Orel Hershiser …...
    Mike Tiernan …...
    Rod Carew …... l1-1/28
    Barry Larkin …...
    Hoyt Wilhelm …...
    George Wright …...
    …...
    1.1/30 …... 1.2/22
    Dave Bancroft …... Jose Canseco
    George Gore …... Gavvy Cravath
    Mickey Lolich …... Cy Seymour
    Dale Murphy …... Ross Youngs
    Kevin Appier …... l1-1/29
    Hardy Richardson …...
    Pie Traynor …...
    Bucky Walters …...
    …...
    1.1/31 …... 1.2/23
    Jason Giambi …... l1-1/30
    Tommy John …...
    Urban Shocker …...
    Early Wynn …...
    Bobby Bonds …... Mel Harder
    Pete Browning …... Toby Harrah
    Dolf Luque …... Tommy Leach
    Joe Start …... Lip Pike
    …...
    1.1/32 …... 1.2/24
    Ron Cey …... l1-1/31
    Wilbur Cooper …...
    Juan Gonzalez …...
    Zack Wheat …...
    George Davis …... l1-1/32
    Hughie Jennings …...
    Kirby Puckett …...
    Billy Williams …...
    …...
    0-2/01 …... Inducted
    Mark Belanger …... Aaron, Hank
    Charlie Buffinton …... Alexander, Pete
    Silver King …... Bench, Johnny
    Fred Tenney …... Boggs, Wade
    Doug DeCinces …... Bonds, Barrry
    Charley Jones …... Brett, George
    Bill Nicholson …... Carter, Gary
    Gene Tenace …... Clemens, Roger
    …... Clemente, Roberto
    0-2/02 …... Cobb, Ty
    Jack Chesbro …... Collins, Eddie
    Tony Fernandez …... DiMaggio, Joe
    Jason Kendall …... Foxx, Jimmie
    Dutch (E) Leonard …... Gehrig, Lou
    Harold Baines …... Gehringer, Charlie
    Chief Bender …... Grove, Lefty
    Gil Mcougald …... Henderson, Rickey
    Jack Morris …... Jackson, Reggie
    …... Johnson, Randy
    0-2/03 …... Johnson, Walter
    Lave Cross …... Maddux, Greg
    Noodles Hahn …... Mantle, Mickey
    Cliff Lee …... Marichal, Juan
    Doc White …... Mathews, Eddie
    Mark Buehrle …... Morgan, Joe
    Larry Gardner …... Ripken, Jr, Cal
    Torii Hunter …... Rodriguez, Alex
    Dizzy Trout …... Ruth, Babe
    …... Ryan, Nolan
    0-2/04 …... Simmons, Al
    John Candelaria …... Williams, Ted
    Curt Flood …... Young, Cy
    Allie Reynolds …...
    Bob Welch …...
    Brett Butler …...
    Travis Jackson …...
    Mike Smith …...
    Ezra Sutton …...
    …...
    0-2/05 …...
    Rick Ferrell …...
    Gary Gaetti …...
    Sad Sam Jones …...
    Schoolboy Rowe …...
    George Kell …...
    Davey Lopes …...
    Buddy Myer …...
    Del Pratt …...
    …...
    0-2/06 …...
    Hugh Duffy …...
    Jerry Koosman …...
    Jimmy Rollins …...
    Dixie Walker …...
    Ben Chapman …...
    Rabbit Maranville …...
    Jamie Moyer …...
    Curt Simmons …...
    …...
    0-2/07 …...
    Gavvy Cravath …...
    George Mullin …...
    Cy Seymour …...
    Ross Youngs …...
    Jose Canseco …...
    Larry French …...
    Sam Leever …...
    Jack Stivetts …...
    …...
    0-2/08 …...
    Mel Harder …...
    Tommy Leach …...
    Claude Osteen …...
    Lip Pike …...
    Brian Downing …...
    Fred Dunlap …...
    Toby Harrah …...
    Rube Marquard …...
    …...
    0-2/09 …... Cut
    Waite Hoyt …... Baines, Harold
    Chet Lemon …... Belanger, Mark
    Tommy McCarthy …... Chapman, Ben
    Ken Williams …... Chesbro, Jack
    Cal McVey …... DeCinces, Doug
    Al Orth …... Downing, Brian
    Kenny Rogers …... Dunlap, Fred
    Javier Vazquez …... Fernandez, Tony
    …... Ferrell, Rick
    0-2/10 …... Flood, Curt
    Bill Donovan …... French, Larry
    Jesse Haines …... Gaetti, Gary
    Fernando Valenzuela …... Gardner, Larry
    Jim Whitney …... Hunter, Torii
    Mike Cameron …... Jones, Sad Sam
    John Hiller …... Kell, George
    Claude Passeau …... Kendall, Jason
    Roger Peckinpaugh …... Leever, Sam
    …... Maranville, Rabbit
    0-2/11 …... Marquard, Rube
    Al Dark …... Moyer, jamie
    Orlando Hernandez …... Mullin, George
    Brad Radke …... Nicholson, Bill
    Devon White …... Osteen, Claude
    Murry Dickson …... Reynolds, Allie
    George Kelly …... Simmons, Curt
    Ray Schalk …... Smith, Mike
    Omar Vizquel …... Stivetts, Jack
    …... Tenney, Fred
    0-2/12 …... Trout, Dizzy
    Felipe Alou …... Welch, Bob
    Fred Lindstrom …... White, Doc
    Red Lucas …...
    Red Schoendienst …...
    Ted Breitenstein …...
    Julio Franco …...
    Stan Hack …...
    Andy Van Slyke …...
    …...
    0-2/13 …...
    Julio Franco …...
    Chick Hafey …...
    Bobo Newsom …...
    Maury Wills …...
    Ellis Burks …...
    Bobby Mathews …...
    David Wells …...
    Ned Williamson …...
    …...
    0-2/14 …...
    Bill Mazeroski …...
    Mel Stottlemyre …...
    Jesse Tannehill …...
    Roy Thomas …...
    Johnny Damon …...
    Dom DiMaggio …...
    Don Newcombe …...
    Robin Ventura …...
    …...
    0-2/15 …...
    Vida Blue …...
    Freddy Lynn …...
    Jack Powell …...
    Frank Tanana …...
    Jim Bottomley …...
    Joe Carter …...
    Sam McDowell …...
    Jim Perry …...
    …...
    0-2/16 …...
    Larry Doyle …...
    Babe Herman …...
    Joe Judge …...
    Lloyd Waner …...
    Tom Candiotti …...
    Lenny Dykstra …...
    Milt Pappas …...
    Lon Warneke …...
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      Inductees
      ...
      Code:
       
      Aaron, Hank
      Alexander, Pete
      Bench, Johnny
      Boggs, Wade
      Bonds, Barrry
      Brett, George
      Carter, Gary
      Clemens, Roger
      Clemente, Roberto
      Cobb, Ty
      Collins, Eddie
      DiMaggio, Joe
      Foxx, Jimmie
      Gehrig, Lou
      Gehringer, Charlie
      Grove, Lefty
      Henderson, Rickey
      Jackson, Reggie
      Johnson, Randy
      Johnson, Walter
      Maddux, Greg
      Mantle, Mickey
      Marichal, Juan
      Mathews, Eddie
      Morgan, Joe
      Ripken, Jr, Cal
      Rodriguez, Alex
      Ruth, Babe
      Ryan, Nolan
      Simmons, Al
      Williams, Ted
      Young, Cy
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

      Comment


      • #4
        Eliminated
        ...
        Code:
         
        Baines, Harold
        Belanger, Mark
        Chapman, Ben
        Chesbro, Jack
        DeCinces, Doug
        Downing, Brian
        Dunlap, Fred
        Fernandez, Tony
        Ferrell, Rick
        Flood, Curt
        French, Larry
        Gaetti, Gary
        Gardner, Larry
        Hunter, Torii
        Jones, Sad Sam
        Kell, George
        Kendall, Jason
        Leever, Sam
        Maranville, Rabbit
        Marquard, Rube
        Moyer, jamie
        Mullin, George
        Nicholson, Bill
        Osteen, Claude
        Reynolds, Allie
        Simmons, Curt
        Smith, Mike
        Stivetts, Jack
        Tenney, Fred
        Trout, Dizzy
        Welch, Bob
        White, Doc
        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

        Comment


        • #5
          First is the induction group ballot:
          ....
          Code:
           
          Lou Boudreau
          Bob Gibson
          Fergie Jenkins
          Nap LaJoie
          Dan Brouthers
          Manny Ramirez
          Frank Thomas
          Paul Waner
          ....
          And now the elimination group ballot:
          ........
          Code:
           
          Waite Hoyt
          Chet Lemon
          Tommy McCarthy
          Ken Williams
          Cal McVey
          Al Orth
          Kenny Rogers
          Javier Vazquez
          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

          Comment


          • #6
            My Ballot:

            Induction group
            ...
            1. LaJoie
            2. B. Gibson
            3. Brouthers
            4. F. Jenkins
            5. Boudreau
            6. F, Thomas
            7. P. Waner
            8. M. Ramirez

            Elimination group
            .....

            1. K. Williams
            2. McVey
            3. C. Lemon
            4. Vazquez
            5. Orth
            6...K Rogers
            7. Hoyt
            ​​​​​​​8. T. McCarthy
            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

            Comment


            • #7
              Induction Group

              1. Nap Lajoie
              2. Bob Gibson
              3. Dan Brouthers
              4. Paul Waner
              5. Frank Thomas
              6. Manny Ramirez
              7. Ferguson Jenkins
              8. Lou Boudreau

              Elimination Group

              1. Ken Williams
              2. Cal McVey
              3. Chet Lemon
              4. Al Orth
              5. Javier Vazquez
              6. Waite Hoyt
              7. Kenny Rogers
              8. Tommy McCarthy

              Comment


              • #8
                Induction Group

                1. Nap Lajoie
                2. Frank Thomas

                3. Dan Brouthers - This is an absolute brutally close threesome. I literally have Waner and Brouthers back to back in my overall rankings and I literally switched their spots today due to this project. Gibson is even with them in the pitcher's side. I could make an argument for any one of the three for the 3--4-5 spots. Wow, so close!
                4. Paul Waner
                5. Bob Gibson

                6. Ferguson Jenkins

                ---HOF---

                7. Lou Boudreau

                ---Big HOF---

                6. Manny Ramirez



                Elimination Group


                ---HOF---
                ---Big HOF---

                1. Waite Hoyt
                2. Cal McVey
                3. Chet Lemon
                4. Kenny Rogers
                5. Ken Williams
                6. Al Orth
                7. Tommy McCarthy
                8. Javier Vazquez
                Last edited by Toledo Inquisition; Yesterday, 09:31 AM.
                The two of them (Reggie Jackson and George Steinbrenner) deserve each other. One's a born liar; the other's convicted. - Billy Martin
                Play the Who am I? game in trivia and you can make this signature line yours for 3 days (baseball signatures only!)

                Go here for a link to all player links! http://www.baseball-fever.com/forum/...player-threads

                Go here for all your 1920's/1930's OF info

                Comment


                • #9
                  1. Napoleon Lajoie
                  2. Dan Brouthers
                  3. Frank Thomas
                  4. Paul Waner
                  5. Manny Ramirez
                  6. Bob Gibson
                  7. Ferguson Jenkins
                  8. Lou Boudreau
                  ------ HOF -----


                  1. Waite Hoyt
                  2. Cal McVey
                  ----- HOF -----
                  3. Kenny Rogers
                  4. Ken Williams
                  5. Al Orth
                  6. Chet Lemon
                  7. Javier Vazquez
                  8. Tommy McCarthy
                  Last edited by dgarza; 11-21-2020, 09:08 PM.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                    1. Napoleon Lajoie
                    2. Dan Brouthers
                    3. Frank Thomas
                    4. Bob Gibson

                    5. Paul Waner
                    6. Frank Thomas
                    7. Manny Ramirez
                    8. Bob Gibson
                    9. Ferguson Jenkins
                    10. Lou Boudreau
                    ------ HOF -----
                    Given the duplications of Thomas and Gibson, I can't count this ballot. Please fix this. Thanks. I will also PM you.
                    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      My Ballot:

                      Induction Group:


                      1. Bob Gibson
                      2. Napoleon Lajoie
                      3. Ferguson Jenkins
                      4. Dan Brouthers
                      5. Frank Thomas
                      6. Paul Waner
                      7. Manny Ramirez
                      8. Lou Boudreau

                      Elimination Group:

                      1. Chet Lemon
                      2. Javier Vazquez
                      3. Kenny Rogers
                      4. Ken Williams
                      5. Al Orth
                      6. Waite Hoyt
                      7. Cal McVey
                      8. Tommy McCarthy

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jalbright View Post

                        Given the duplications of Thomas and Gibson, I can't count this ballot. Please fix this. Thanks. I will also PM you.
                        Fixed. No wonder 10 players looked unusual to me. Thanks

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Induction:
                          1. Bob Gibson

                          Bunched together
                          2. Manny Ramirez
                          3. Fergie Jenkins
                          4. Frank Thomas

                          Bunched together
                          5. Nap LaJoie
                          6. Paul Waner
                          7. Dan Brouthers

                          Big Gap
                          8. Lou Boudreau

                          Elimination:
                          1. Waite Hoyt
                          2. Chet Lemon

                          Bunched together
                          3. Ken Williams
                          4. Kenny Rogers
                          5. Tommy McCarthy

                          Big Gap
                          6. Al Orth
                          7. Cal McVey
                          8. Javier Vazquez

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Induction Group:

                            1. Nap Lajoie
                            2. Bob Gibson
                            3. Paul Waner
                            4. Frank Thomas
                            5. Dan Brouthers
                            6. Manny Ramirez
                            7. Fergie Jenkins
                            8. Lou Boudreau
                            ------HOF Line------

                            Elimination Group:

                            1. Cal McVey
                            ------HOF Line------
                            2. Waite Hoyt
                            3. Chet Lemon
                            4. Al Orth
                            5. Ken Williams
                            6. Tommy McCarthy
                            7. Javier Vazquez
                            8. Kenny Rogers

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dgarza View Post

                              Fixed. No wonder 10 players looked unusual to me. Thanks
                              You're welcome. I want votes to count, here and elsewhere.
                              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                              Comment

                              Ad Widget

                              Collapse
                              Working...
                              X