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Does clemens belong in the hof?

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  • Does clemens belong in the hof?

    i haven't seen this question asked here yet (unless i missed it). do you think clemens, despite strong allegations that he used steroids and hgh, belongs in the hall of fame? or do you just not care?

    me personally i dont care. while i acknowledge that he was a hall of famer before toronto, i don't have a problem with the voters keeping him out because they feel the negatives of his roid use outweigh the positives of his pre-roid career. what is everyone else's opinion?
    i could care less either way

  • #2
    I think it's a bit premature to ask the question, as this hasn't played itself out yet. However, if there's no significant evidence forthcoming that Roger used for the first half or so of his career, I think he was a qualified HOFer and thus would support him.
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    • #3
      I can't stand Clemens; he's an arrogant bully and boor.

      But, yes, he's a no-questions-asked HOFer. I don't care if he used PEDs or not; PEDs were a condition of his time. The PED question is relevant to where he stands all-time; it's not relevant to where he stands for his era.
      "I do not care if half the league strikes. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play as another. The National League will go down the line with Robinson whatever the consequences. You will find if you go through with your intention that you have been guilty of complete madness."

      NL President Ford Frick, 1947


      • #4
        Yes. REGARDLESS of how things play out, I would put him in.

        I can see an argument for voting no IF SOMEONE TESTS POSITIVE OR IS PROVEN TO HAVE USED, but even that I largely disagree on. I just won't raise a fuss when Raffy is kept out.
        Hey, this is my public apology for suddenly disappearing and missing out on any projects I may have neglected.


        • #5
          At this time I would support his induction.
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