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    How would you rank the following pitchers? Are any of them substantially better or worse than the others?

    Dwight Gooden
    Bret Saberhagen
    Jack Morris
    Orel Hershiser
    Frenando Valenzuela
    David Cone
    Dave Stewart
    David Wells
    Jamie Moyer
    Bob Welch
    Dennis Martinez
    Frank Tanana
    Charlie Hough
    Luis Tiant
    JR Richard
    Joe Niekro
    Jim Perry
    Jerry Koosman
    Jerry Reuss
    Rick Reuschel
    Mickey Lolich
    Kevin Brown
    Vida Blue
    Mark Langston
    Chuck Finley
    Jim Kaat
    Ron Guidry
    Frank Viola

    I'm having trouble ranking this group of second tier pitchers.

  • #2
    Originally posted by micsmith
    How would you rank the following pitchers? Are any of them substantially better or worse than the others?

    Dwight Gooden
    Bret Saberhagen
    Jack Morris
    Orel Hershiser
    Frenando Valenzuela
    David Cone
    Dave Stewart
    David Wells
    Jamie Moyer
    Bob Welch
    Dennis Martinez
    Frank Tanana
    Charlie Hough
    Luis Tiant
    JR Richard
    Joe Niekro
    Jim Perry
    Jerry Koosman
    Jerry Reuss
    Rick Reuschel
    Mickey Lolich
    Kevin Brown
    Vida Blue
    Mark Langston
    Chuck Finley
    Jim Kaat
    Ron Guidry
    Frank Viola

    I'm having trouble ranking this group of second tier pitchers.
    I would say that Kevin Brown in the best pitcher on that list. I think Jim Kaat stands out as well simply by being so durable for so long. I think he has a good chance of being elected to the hall by the veteran's committee. Luis Tiant is another one on that list that I think should have gotten more hall consideration. He won 20 games 4 times, and has a good career ERA+ even though he stuck around 3 years too long. A lot of people are big fans of Jack Morris as well, but I am not. Finally, I would say David Cone had a better than good career.

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    • #3
      Gooden was very, very good in his pitching peak. But it was really, really short most people on that list had a much longer peak. So you can keep him on that list of yours but I don't think he pitched good long enough to belong on it.
      Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

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      • #4
        I have Brown ranked #66 all-time, Tiant, # 70, and Kaat, # 80, Morris # 92, and Guidry # 95. (w/ 7-9 Negro League pitchers in front of them.) The rest I don't have in my top 100. I would say Cone would be the next I would include. Then maybe Blue, Koosman or Lolich.
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