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  • #46
    Originally posted by leecemark View Post
    --Actually I'm hoping we can move along a little faster. The 8 hours would start immediately after each pick. Perhaps we should not count the hours in the middle of the night though.
    OK. This means that if seven people (fewer if serpentine) are online and ready to go my next deadline might come nine hours after making a selection. I suppose it will be OK to post an emergency list, "If I default take the next available in list order."

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    • #47
      Newt Allen, William Bell, Chet Brewer, Bill Byrd, Rap Dixon, John Donaldson, Sammy Hughes, Fats Jenkins, Grant "Home Run" Johnson, Dick Lundy, Oliver Marcelle, Minnie Minoso, Dobie Moore, Alejandro Oms, Buck O'Neil, Red Parnell, Spotswood Poles, Cannonball Dick Redding, George Scales, and Candy Jim Taylor are the names I come up with as nominated but not elected in the 2006 Negro League HOF election.

      I'd add Nip Winters as a peak pitcher as well. I'll look at the BBTF list to see if there's anyone else who catches my eye.
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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      • #48
        AG2004 had a Keltner's list for Marvin Williams, and of those listed at BBTF, I'd think there might be support for Newt Allen, Sam Jethroe, Luke Easter, Bruce Petway, Double Duty Radcliffe and Artie Wilson. About the only other source I can think of is the Pittsburgh Courier poll that went five deep, which is here:

        I forgot Bill Monroe in my earlier posts.
        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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        • #49
          Mark agrees with Jim that it is better for the project if we conflate the Negro League square pegs with the MLB round holes. That's fine.

          So I would suggest we aim for about 25-26 Negro leaguers out of the 200 players. This would be in line with the representation of these players in the 3 Halls: HOF (29 of 228), HoM (30 of 234), BBFHOF (30 of 232). That is, unless there is some reason to think the three halls are seriously over/under-representing the Negro leaguers.
          Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

          Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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          • #50
            I think a good list would be that of the nominated yet un-elected negro leaguers. I would definitely include those 19 plus Minoso (who counts as a MLB player to me).

            I'll join the club if there's still an opening. We'd be the Milford Musials (get it?).

            Manager - Whitey Herzog (doesn't matter, but to keep the St. Louis Theme...)
            Ballpark - if we're testing for who's best, we should probably all play in the same park... the blandest park, closest to a park factor of 100 in all areas. Or maybe you can create such a ballpark and call it Cooperstown Field?
            Last edited by J W; 02-12-2008, 01:46 PM.
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            • #51
              Also, I want to bring up Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco, and the rest of the few players linked to steroids. Anyone have a problem with these guys? If they're eligible, should we "shrink" them?
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              • #52
                Originally posted by J W View Post
                Manager - Whitey Herzog (doesn't matter, but to keep the St. Louis Theme...)
                Ballpark - if we're testing for who's best, we should probably all play in the same park... the blandest park, closest to a park factor of 100 in all areas. Or maybe you can create such a ballpark and call it Cooperstown Field?
                How about Elysian Fields?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by J W View Post
                  Also, I want to bring up Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco, and the rest of the few players linked to steroids. Anyone have a problem with these guys? If they're eligible, should we "shrink" them?
                  I am thinking that should be up to everyone's own judgment. Overrate or underrate them as you please.
                  "It's good to be young and a Giant." - Larry Doyle

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by J W View Post
                    I think a good list would be that of the nominated yet un-elected negro leaguers. I would definitely include those 19 plus Minoso (who counts as a MLB player to me).

                    I'll join the club if there's still an opening. We'd be the Milford Musials (get it?).

                    Manager - Whitey Herzog (doesn't matter, but to keep the St. Louis Theme...)
                    Ballpark - if we're testing for who's best, we should probably all play in the same park... the blandest park, closest to a park factor of 100 in all areas. Or maybe you can create such a ballpark and call it Cooperstown Field?
                    The only name I'd really seek to add to the 19 nominees is Trouppe. After that, if it is decided to limit the list, I'm fine with it. An alternative would be for me to do a Negro League team, which would obviously use most of those names. As I'd need a pitching staff, I couldn't use all of them.
                    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                    • #55
                      --I think the nominated, but not selected Negro Leaguers capture most of the reasonably viable candidates. That pool would actually be a little smaller than the percentage suggested by Freakshow. I do agree with Jim that Quincy Trouppe was a notable oversite of that committe though. We'll be drafting 16 catchers and its hard to imagine there are 16 better candidates than Trouppe available.
                      --I personally won't be picking many players from that pool. There are only a handfull I realy know enough about to even begin advocating them and none that I'd have any real enthusiam for campaigning for. OTOH there may well be a point in the draft when one of them is a better choice than the available MLB talent at a position of need.

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                      • #56
                        Another question: do you know if the program uses career averages when determining how to rate these players Mark? Reason being, I remember certain "peak" players with shorter careers doing very well in our first DM-project (All Time league, HOFers included)
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                        • #57
                          --We aren't talking about sim specifics at this time. We want the draft to focus on identifying the best players, not who might do best in the DMB program.

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                          • #58
                            OK then, thanks.

                            Judging by our history at the site, I'd think the first overall pick would be a slam-dunk. We'll wait and see though.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
                              The moniker, “Suburbs of Cooperstown” is great. Taking that a step further, you might consider naming the eight franchises after some of Cooperstown’s actual neighbors. These are the nearest towns I found in the vicinity, Cooperstown’s “suburbs”:

                              Fly Creek
                              Oaksville
                              Cattown
                              Middlefield
                              Hartwick Seminary
                              Westville
                              Milford
                              Hartwick
                              Snowdon
                              Schuyler Lake
                              Westford
                              Roseboom
                              Springfield Center
                              Maple Valley
                              Patent
                              Elk Creek
                              I learned that I should not use Mapquest for this kind of research. Here are a few other communities in the vicinity of Cooperstown:

                              Bowerstown
                              Whig Corners
                              Toddsville
                              Pail Shop Corners
                              Index
                              Phoenix Mills
                              Hyde Park
                              Chase
                              Five Points
                              Lentsville
                              Pierstown
                              Taylortown
                              Wileytown
                              Field Crossing
                              Clintonville
                              Lidell Corners
                              Scotch Hill
                              Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                              Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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                              • #60
                                If we're picking team locations and names, I'll take the Fly Creek Appleseeds.

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