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The Ultimate Quest for Candidates: Round 1 – The 1970’s (part 1)

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  • Freakshow
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    Results early 1970's

    This poll has now closed. With 18 voters weighing in, there are five players assured of being on the ballot in Round 2, the best Hall of Fame Candidates from the early 1970's:

    Bobby Bonds
    Tommy John
    Thurman Munson
    Reggie Smith
    Luis Tiant


    These five will be combined with the top six from the late 1970's poll, plus three at-large spots.

    These four players have earned consideration for an at-large spot on the ballot in Round 2:

    Sal Bando
    Bert Campaneris
    Sparky Lyle
    Rusty Staub

    Here are the official results of the early 1970's poll:
    Code:
    Advances to Round 2	Ballots	Points	Percent
    Bobby	Bonds		  15	 15	 83.3%
    Tommy	John		  13	 13	 72.2%
    Luis	Tiant		  12	 12	 66.7%
    Thurman	Munson		  11	 11	 61.1%
    Reggie	Smith		  11	 11	 61.1%
    At-large Candidates				
    Sal	Bando		   9	  9	 50.0%
    Sparky	Lyle		   7	  7	 38.9%
    Rusty	Staub		   6	  6	 33.3%
    Bert	Campaneris	   3	  3	 16.7%
    Also-Ran					
    Bobby	Murcer		   1	  1	  5.6%
    Amos	Otis		   1	  1	  5.6%
    Wilbur	Wood		   1	  1	  5.6%
    Jerry	Koosman		   0	  0	  0.0%
    Mickey	Lolich		   0	  0	  0.0%
    Roy	White		   0	  0	  0.0%

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  • Freakshow
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    With four more days until the poll closes, we're hoping to improve on the low turnout to this point. Yes, it's not a brilliant slate of candidates, but we've seen that before in this project, too.

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  • Cougar
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    Voted Campy, John, Sparky, Tiant, Munson.

    Nearest miss was Lolich.

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  • Paul Wendt
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    more half-decade variance

    So the Hall of Merit takes none from column A and five from column B (late '70s).
    The BBF HOF takes none from column A and four from column B.
    Bill James assigns 300 win shares to three from column A and eight from column B.

    Here they are by fielding position.
    Code:
    LF	CF	RF
    White	Otis	Staub
    	Smith*	Bonds
    	Murcer*	
    
    3B	SS	2B	1B
    Bando	Campy	--	--
    
    P
    John
    Tiant
    Koosman
    Lolich
    Wood
    Lyle
    
    C
    Munson
    Smith and Murcer both played a little more in right than in center, much as did Andre Dawson in a longer career.

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  • Los Bravos
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    Bonds, John, Otis, Smith and El Tiante. Only AO is not a leading choice.

    I may have to change my custom user name...

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  • dgarza
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    Lyle
    Bonds
    Smith
    John
    Munson

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  • Chadwick
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    Bonds
    Lyle
    Munson
    Smith
    Tiant

    I don't give John "extra credit" for the surgery. He pitched well for a fairly long time. Not being a "career" guy, that doesn't shout "Hall of Fame" to me.

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  • Freakshow
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    The Polls Are Now Open!

    The poll for the 15 early 1970's candidates (accrued most of their value before 1976, in general) has been added to this thread. It will be open for a month.

    Seven players were cut from the list above, based on the opinions in our straw poll. Baylor and Harrah were found to be deficient candidates; Baker and Hargrove were not saved by their mediocre managing careers; Blue was most often tabbed as the worst starting pitcher here; I'm persuaded that Johnson is a manager-first candidate; Marshall loses out to Lyle in the RP competition. I was also persuaded to keep Lynn in the decade where his case for the Hall resides.

    Momentarily, I'll post the thread with the poll for the late 1970's.

    The Round 2 thread for the 1890s/1900s poll is due up soon.

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  • jjpm74
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    Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
    Is there anyone on this list who's made a mark as a broadcaster? How about a long-time coach?

    Usually, I'm looking for a few years as a national voice or more than a decade as a local "media guy". It's a small kicker, but it could be part of a future project of hybrid career/lifetime service candidates.
    Bobby Murcer has been involved with the Yankees as a broadcaster for 23 seasons.

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  • Freakshow
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    Broadcasters?

    Is there anyone on this list who's made a mark as a broadcaster? How about a long-time coach?

    Usually, I'm looking for a few years as a national voice or more than a decade as a local "media guy". It's a small kicker, but it could be part of a future project of hybrid career/lifetime service candidates.

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  • Chadwick
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    Originally posted by leecemark View Post
    --Lynn's claim to greatness is based on his play in the 70s (well 82 was a HoF caliber season too). I'd put him with the late 70s players.
    I concur with this assessment.

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  • leecemark
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    --I've got Simmons, Grich and Blyleven as the no brainers from list ballot. The other contenders;
    C: Munson
    1B: Garvey (the numbers say no, but when he was active...)
    3B: Nettles, Bando
    SS: Conception
    OF: Oh my, Parker, Bonds, Lynn, Cedeno and Oliver with Smith, Staub and Murcer not that far off.
    SP: Tiant and John...and I'd like to say Lolich - but I can't
    RP: Lyle

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  • jjpm74
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    If there's a way of swinging it, it'd be nice to include 2 relievers here in Marshall and Lyle. If not, I'm in favor of Lyle over Marshall.

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  • leecemark
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    --Parker and Bonds are at least borderliners. Parker would be a Hall of Famer for sure if he hadn't wasted several years in mid-career due to his drug problems. Bonds would probably be there if he had been allowed to play CF more (which he should have except the Giants made a Jeter/A-rod type decision with he and Mays), or if he'd been able to stick with a club (preferably a wiinning one) to form a constituency. or if he hadn't faded so fast. Give him any 2 of those 3 over and he is in - maybe even one.
    --Reggie Smith had enough in-season durability issues that he never really put up the huge seasons you like to see. Still he had alot of very good seasons. Like Bonds his career suffers from being split up with three (main) teams. It doesn't help that he is probably best remembered as a Dodger - and had shifted from CF to RF by then. Murcer had a few seasons as a Hall of Famer caliber Cfer, but; a) couldn't sustain it long enough and b) couldn't stick in CF - not to mention c) he was a Yankee when they weren't winning. Roy White? I'd rather have Jim Rice:cap:. Or Amos Otis from this ballot.

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  • leecemark
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    --I know Darrell Evans is a sabermetric favorite and all, but I really can't see how he is a better candidate than Graig Nettles. DWS (and perhaps other defensives metrics, I don't know) likes Evans, but he was not a highly regarded defender in his own time. In fact he shifted to first base at age 29, although he shifted back and forth for a few years. Nettles on the other hand was a GREAT defender. Nettles did much better in All Star and MVP voting -and should have. Evans WAS underrated while active, but he is overrated now. Not even close to a Hall of Famer in my book.

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