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  • Frank Thomas for HOF?! HA!

    I can't believe how much support that guy gets on these boards! After signing with the A's, he said that he believes there is no doubt he'll make the HOF even if he doesn't reach 500 HRs. He's a HOF joke! He had a few great seasons (ok, he was one of the best players in the game for a while) but then he switched to DH and STILL manages to get hurt on a regular basis. He couldn't even play in the World Series when Chicago finally got there again! And his numbers are really not that great, especially when he is known almost exclusively for his offense. I mean, even ELHALO, Mr. "Reggie Jackson, Robin Yount, Paul Molitor, Kirby Puckett, Ryne Sandberg, etc. don't belong in the Hall" has called Thomas a "lock" in other threads! I mean, even his managers are so fed up with his lack of playing that they wanted to get rid of him! Hall of Famer, I don't think so! (And who's idea was it to try to start a "Who's the better hitter?" poll between him and Lou Gehrig? Did you really think that would even be close?)

  • #2
    Originally posted by futurehalloffamer
    I can't believe how much support that guy gets on these boards! After signing with the A's, he said that he believes there is no doubt he'll make the HOF even if he doesn't reach 500 HRs. He's a HOF joke! He had a few great seasons (ok, he was one of the best players in the game for a while) but then he switched to DH and STILL manages to get hurt on a regular basis. He couldn't even play in the World Series when Chicago finally got there again! And his numbers are really not that great, especially when he is known almost exclusively for his offense. I mean, even ELHALO, Mr. "Reggie Jackson, Robin Yount, Paul Molitor, Kirby Puckett, Ryne Sandberg, etc. don't belong in the Hall" has called Thomas a "lock" in other threads! I mean, even his managers are so fed up with his lack of playing that they wanted to get rid of him! Hall of Famer, I don't think so! (And who's idea was it to try to start a "Who's the better hitter?" poll between him and Lou Gehrig? Did you really think that would even be close?)
    Umm...He had more just a "few" great seasons. Try an entire decade. Also he won two MVP awards and in his prime was often referred as "The right-handed Ted Williams". That's high praise if you ask me. If you don't think he's a HOF then I don't know what to say you. :o
    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules
      Umm...He had more just a "few" great seasons. Try an entire decade. Also he won two MVP awards and in his prime was often referred as "The right-handed Ted Williams". That's high praise if you ask me. If you don't think he's a HOF then I don't know what to say you. :o
      If you think he is, I don't know what to say to you?
      I agree his is NOT HoF material. I guess we just have a difference of opinion and viewpoint, despite whatever others might throw in from sabermetrics.
      1968 and 1984, the greatest ever.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tigerfan1974
        If you think he is, I don't know what to say to you?
        I agree his is NOT HoF material. I guess we just have a difference of opinion and viewpoint, despite whatever others might throw in from sabermetrics.
        Is Jeff Bagwell a Hofer? Why isn't Thomas a HoFer?
        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules
          Umm...He had more just a "few" great seasons. Try an entire decade. Also he won two MVP awards and in his prime was often referred as "The right-handed Ted Williams". That's high praise if you ask me. If you don't think he's a HOF then I don't know what to say you. :o
          Hmm...a full decade and two MVP awards...sounds alot like Dale Murphy if you ask me. And comparing Thomas to Williams was always a joke. Dwight Gooden was compared to Koufax at one time, let's put him in there too, eh?!

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          • #6
            I agree that Thomas is at times overhyped on these boards, but there is not a doubt in my mind that he is a Hall of Famer. For a decade, the guy was one of the best hitters to have played. I have him ranked 6th all-time at 1B, and had he spent more time in the field and less at DH, I'd bump him as high as 3rd. If you don't think he's a Hall of Famer, then you must have a short memory. Picture what Albert Pujols is doing now, and then add 10 points of OPS+, and that's what you get for Thomas for about a decade.

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            • #7
              Here are all the HoF first baseball:

              Cap Anson
              Jake Beckley*
              Jim Bottomley*
              Dan Brouthers *
              Orlando Cepeda *
              Frank Chance *
              Roger Connor *
              Jimmie Foxx
              Lou Gehrig
              Hank Greenberg *
              George Kelly *
              Harmon Killebrew*
              Buck Leonard
              Willie McCovey
              Johnny Mize
              Eddie Murray
              Tony Perez *
              George Sisler
              Bill Terry *

              I count about 11 HoF first basemen that Thomas is clearly better.
              Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules
                Is Jeff Bagwell a Hofer? Why isn't Thomas a HoFer?
                Well, much like Thomas, Bagwell was injured quite ofter, but Bagwell STILL has more HRs than Thomas and was actually able to PLAY when his team finally made the WS. I know its ridiculous to compare HR totals, but batting is really all you can discuss when Frank Thomas is the issue.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by futurehalloffamer
                  Hmm...a full decade and two MVP awards...sounds alot like Dale Murphy if you ask me. And comparing Thomas to Williams was always a joke. Dwight Gooden was compared to Koufax at one time, let's put him in there too, eh?!
                  Dale Murphy and his career .262 BA? Give me a break. Dwight Gooden has nothing to do with this discussion. For a while Gooden was that good anyway.
                  Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 03-01-2006, 11:43 AM.
                  Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by futurehalloffamer
                    Well, much like Thomas, Bagwell was injured quite ofter, but Bagwell STILL has more HRs than Thomas and was actually able to PLAY when his team finally made the WS. I know its ridiculous to compare HR totals, but batting is really all you can discuss when Frank Thomas is the issue.
                    Though Bagwell was the better overall player, Thomas was the better hitter. Also first base is not a key defensive position.
                    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules
                      Here are all the HoF first baseball:

                      Cap Anson
                      Jake Beckley*
                      Jim Bottomley*
                      Dan Brouthers *
                      Orlando Cepeda *
                      Frank Chance *
                      Roger Connor *
                      Jimmie Foxx
                      Lou Gehrig
                      Hank Greenberg *
                      George Kelly *
                      Harmon Killebrew*
                      Buck Leonard
                      Willie McCovey
                      Johnny Mize
                      Eddie Murray
                      Tony Perez *
                      George Sisler
                      Bill Terry *

                      I count about 11 HoF first basemen that Thomas is clearly better.
                      Ah, Honus Wagner must be turning in his grave right about now with you using his name like that...to consider Thomas a first baseman is ridiculous...how long was he a first baseman as opposed to DH?

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                      • #12
                        disregard this post, mis-read an earlier one.
                        Last edited by Brooklyn; 03-01-2006, 11:54 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tigerfan1974
                          If you think he is, I don't know what to say to you?
                          I agree his is NOT HoF material. I guess we just have a difference of opinion and viewpoint, despite whatever others might throw in from sabermetrics.
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                          • #14
                            Thomas is the best hitting 1B since World War II. Not a Hall of Famer? Okay, if your Hall of Fame has about 50 players total, you could leave him out.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules
                              Here are all the HoF first baseball:

                              Cap Anson
                              Jake Beckley*
                              Jim Bottomley*
                              Dan Brouthers *
                              Orlando Cepeda *
                              Frank Chance *
                              Roger Connor *
                              Jimmie Foxx
                              Lou Gehrig
                              Hank Greenberg *
                              George Kelly *
                              Harmon Killebrew*
                              Buck Leonard
                              Willie McCovey
                              Johnny Mize
                              Eddie Murray
                              Tony Perez *
                              George Sisler
                              Bill Terry *

                              I count about 11 HoF first basemen that Thomas is clearly better.
                              I don't see how one can think Thomas is better than Greenberg? better than Killebrew?
                              I 'll give you Cepeda and Perez as I think they are borderline anyway.

                              But I feel neither Thomas, nor Bagwell, nor Will Clark (from the other thread) will make the Hall. The next 1st baseman will be McGwire. After that, who knows?
                              1968 and 1984, the greatest ever.

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