Frank Thomas for HOF?! HA!

[Imapotato]

A HOF 1b that couldn't even throw the ball to second base

Welcome to the new HOF

[abacab]

A HOF 1b that couldn't even throw the ball to second base

Welcome to the new HOF

Yeah, Thomas was a terrible 1B, no doubt about that. What if you consider him a DH instead? He's better than Molitor for sure.

[RuthMayBond]

I 'll give you Cepeda and Perez as I think they are borderline anyway.

Are you "giving him" George Kelly, or is Frank Thomas no George Kelly?

<But I feel neither Thomas, nor Bagwell will make the Hall.>

Wow, not even Bagwell, but you think Mickey "15 black ink" Lolich should. How about Aurelio Rodriguez, Mark Fidrych, Ron Leflore, Mickey Stanley?

[KCGHOST]

If Thomas is not good enough tobe in the HoF we may as well hold the balloting about every ten years. That's how high you will have set the bar.

[BoSox Rule]

A HOF 1b that couldn't even throw the ball to second base

Welcome to the new HOF

I agree. The new Hall of Fame is a joke.

There is no room for a guy who has hit .307/.427/.568 in his career, with a .344 Equivalent Average, 448 HR, and 115 wins above replacement. It's embarassing.

[Mike D.]

Through 2005, Thomas had played 971 games at first, 960 at DH.

His rate stats are .307/.427/.568.

Even a repeat of last year (34 games) numbers would give him over 450 HR, 450 2b's, and 1500 RBI for his career.

His defense wasn't great, but he still managed a .991 FP for his career, probably not the worst among HOF 1b.

And if you want to look at him as a DH, he's still better than Molitor, and Edgar Martinez, another DH who'll be eligible in a couple years.

[Mike D.]

I agree. The new Hall of Fame is a joke.

Yeah, I miss the good old days, when being friends with HOF'ers on the Vets Committee was enough to get you in!

[Tigerfan1974]

Are you "giving him" George Kelly, or is Frank Thomas no George Kelly?

<But I feel neither Thomas, nor Bagwell will make the Hall.>

Wow, not even Bagwell, but you think Mickey "15 black ink" Lolich should. How about Aurelio Rodriguez, Mark Fidrych, Ron Leflore, Mickey Stanley?

Sarcasm? I thought you would just swamp the thread with a bunch of sabermetrics. (yes, I know, that is sarcasm too)

[Mike D.]

Well, much like Thomas, Bagwell was injured quite ofter, but Bagwell STILL has more HRs than Thomas and was actually able to PLAY when his team finally made the WS. I know its ridiculous to compare HR totals, but batting is really all you can discuss when Frank Thomas is the issue.

Bagwell is injured quite often? Other than strike shortened years, he's played less than 142 games exactly ONCE (last year), and usually was in the 150's and 160's.

Bagwell has exactly ONE more home run than Thomas. That's a big difference?

Bagwell pinch hit a few times in ONE WS at the end of his career (going 1-8), and it gives him a big advantage over Thomas?

Personally, I'll be shocked if both don't go...with McGwire, they're really the big 3 First Baseman of the time.

[Tigerfan1974]

Yeah, I miss the good old days, when being friends with HOF'ers on the Vets Committee was enough to get you in!

Good one! ROFLMAO!!

[RuthMayBond]

Sarcasm? I thought you would just swamp the thread with a bunch of sabermetrics. (yes, I know, that is sarcasm too)

Whaddya say Matt, we give ol' Tiger a 2.00 for his sarcasm, but park and era-adjusted to a 9.95

[RuthMayBond]

Bagwell is injured quite often? Other than strike shortened years, he's played less than 142 games exactly ONCE (last year), and usually was in the 150's and 160's.

Bagwell has exactly ONE more home run than Thomas. That's a big difference?

Bagwell pinch hit a few times in ONE WS at the end of his career (going 1-8), and it gives him a big advantage over Thomas?

Those sabermetricians confusing him with the facts

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I don't see how one can think Thomas is better than Greenberg? better than Killebrew?
I 'll give you Cepeda and Perez as I think they are borderline anyway.

But I feel neither Thomas, nor Bagwell, nor Will Clark (from the other thread) will make the Hall. The next 1st baseman will be McGwire. After that, who knows?

What you feel or I feel has no relavence. It only matter how the HoF voters feel. Given their history and what other HoF first basemen have done, Thomas and Bagwell are easily HoFers. Both are amongst the 10 greatest first basemen of all time. A case can made that Bagwell is amongst the top-5.

[Captain Cold Nose]

What you feel or I feel has no relavence. It only matter how the HoF voters feel. Given their history and what other HoF first basemen have done, Thomas and Bagwell are easily HoFers. Both are amongst the 10 greateast first basemen of all time.

Well, he was right. McGwire will get in before any of them, considering Thomas and Bagwell have not even retired yet and McGwire's on the ballot next year.

[Mike D.]

Those sabermetricians confusing him with the facts

Ha ha...I HAVE been a member of SABR for a couple-er-three years, but in my defense, I DID know how to look up games played and career HR before I joined that fine organization.