Freddie Fitzsimmons

[Cowtipper]

Over 19 years in the big leagues, Freddie Fitzsimmons went 217-146 with a 3.51 ERA, 186 complete games and 29 shutouts. He led the league in 1940 with a .889 WL%, when he went 16-2 in 20 games. He led the league in games started in 1933 with 35, and in shutouts in 1935 with 4. Although he never led the league in wins, he was in the top ten list nine times in his career, as he won 15 games or more in a season eight times and 20 games or more in a season once.

For a pitcher, he was a solid hitter batting an even .200 with 14 career home runs and 103 RBI.

He appeared in three World Series, although his performance as pitcher was fairly subpar overall (except in the 1941 WS, when he posted a 0.00 ERA in seven innings of work). He did best at the plate in the World Series he played in, hitting .375 overall.

He has respectable grey ink of 124. He is statistically similar to three Hall of Famers: Jesse Haines (which isn't too much to brag about, actually), Stan Coveleski and Clark Griffith.

Six times did he receive votes for the Hall of Fame, receiving as many as 16 in one election.

So, should "Fat Freddie" be in the Hall of Fame?

[jjpm74]

Decent peak, most if not all of his similars show up in HOF conversations (not that this means anything). Maybe not HOF worthy, but much closer than Buffinton.

[stejay]

No way Jose. He will never make he hall. There are far more deserving players who have been overlooked. e.g. Rose, Jackson, Santo.

[RuthMayBond]

No way Jose. He will never make he hall. There are far more deserving players who have been overlooked. e.g. Rose, Jackson

Maybe they "overlooked" the rules

[KCGHOST]

Real nice career, better than most, but not HoF caliber.

[Cowtipper]

No way Jose. He will never make he hall. There are far more deserving players who have been overlooked. e.g. Rose, Jackson, Santo.

Rose and Jackson aren't overlooked. They are banned.

Overlooked and banned are two different things.

[stejay]

Yeah, I know. What they have done, in my view, is less bad as what Bonds, Clemens and others who will make it to the HOF have done. Much less bad.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Yeah, I know. What they have done, in my view, is less bad as what Bonds, Clemens and others who will make it to the HOF have done. Much less bad.

My view is it's worse. Much worse. To each their own.

[stejay]

My view is it's worse. Much worse. To each their own.

What do you mean?

[Captain Cold Nose]

What do you mean?

Our opinions are different. Intentionally throwing games, contributing to the throwing of games, or putting yourself into a situation where the games you're playing in can be compromised to me is worse than trying to gain an artificial edge. It's better to add than to detract, although I'm not condoning or endorsing steroid use with that viewpoint.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Fitzsimmons is only a HOF-worthy player if you use Marquard and Haines to justify his selection. He's better than a few HOF mistakes, but I doubt he's as good as the worst pitcher that is a legit HOFer.

Orel Hershiser has a better case, and I'm not advocating for Orel, either. But Hershiser has a better case. Jack Morris has a MUCH better case.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Having the cool nickname "Fat Freddie" only takes him so far.

[EdTarbusz]

He appeared in three World Series, although his performance as pitcher was fairly subpar overall (except in the 1941 WS, when he posted a 0.00 ERA in seven innings of work). He did best at the plate in the World Series he played in, hitting .375 overall.

I've got the audio of game 3 of the 1936 World Series, and Fitzsimmons pitched a helluva game, even though the Giants lost. He was let down by the Giants offense who were dying on base.