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  • #76
    Let's let him finish and see where he stands then.
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    • #77
      Any word on how severe the ankle injury was and which one it was? I understand it was a fracture. Often those involve surgery with plates and screws. It seems like he might be facing a tough road back and perhaps with a somewhat limited leg.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post
        Let's let him finish and see where he stands then.


        (I rarely participate in threads on active players, unless they're basically finished.)

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        • #79
          Lowest OPS+ against, in the AL against over the last 20 years, starting pitchers only:

          48 Pedro Martinez
          67 Johan Santana
          70 Randy Johnson
          73 Roger Clemens
          74 Tim Hudson
          74 Justin Verlander
          75 Roy Halladay

          (min 1,000 IP)
          Last edited by GiambiJuice; 01-20-2014, 08:53 AM.
          My top 10 players:

          1. Babe Ruth
          2. Barry Bonds
          3. Ty Cobb
          4. Ted Williams
          5. Willie Mays
          6. Alex Rodriguez
          7. Hank Aaron
          8. Honus Wagner
          9. Lou Gehrig
          10. Mickey Mantle

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          • #80
            God, Pedro was unreal...
            "Hitting is better than sex." - Reggie Jackson, Esquire (March 1, 1978)

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            • #81
              I suppose I've always imagined Tim Hudson as being the pitcher so many people seem to think Jack Morris was: the "workhorse ace" type who may never have been the best pitcher in the league, but was the guy who carried a staff on his back for a decade.
              "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
              "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
              "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
              "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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              • #82
                Tim Hudson entering Hall of Fame territory

                Almost a misleading headline, since he spends most of the article softpedaling his case.

                Against the Astros in 2004, he took a 6-1 lead into the eighth inning of Game 4, but he and the bullpen couldn’t hold the lead and the Astros eventually won in 18 innings.
                That was '05 and "he and the bullpen" is pretty misleading. That was the day I learned to really hate Kyle Farnsworth.
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                • #83
                  13-6 3.17 against the M's.

                  I doubt he'll make the Hall, but he was good for a long time.
                  "The first draft of anything is crap." - Ernest Hemingway

                  There's no such thing as an ultimate stat.

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                  • #84
                    I don't know... He's pitching pretty damn good at the age of 39. I suppose if he finishes the year with 15 wins, a 125-130 ERA+, and 200+ innings, he'll be in good shape. If he could pitch until 42 or 43 he should be able to compile the stats to appeal to a voter.
                    Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

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                    • #85
                      As much as I miss him with the Braves, going to pitch with the Giants was a great move for himself.
                      Chop! Chop! Chop!

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Brad Harris View Post
                        I suppose I've always imagined Tim Hudson as being the pitcher so many people seem to think Jack Morris was: the "workhorse ace" type who may never have been the best pitcher in the league, but was the guy who carried a staff on his back for a decade.
                        I think Husdon is clearly better than Morris. That's off the top of my head without looking at stats. I think he is definitely a HoF pitcher. It may take a while to get in though. The voters will need to adjust to 300 wins becoming nearly unattainable, sadly. Not for the voters but for baseball due to the relief scourge.
                        "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                        • #87
                          Hudson's chances are respectable, but something tells me that there will be a sea change over the next 20 years over the standards for starting pitchers making the Hall. Every statistical marker we have used for the past few decades might apply through Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Pedro Martinez, John Smoltz' or Mike Mussina's eligibility. It seems as if we can debate the merits of these guys as we always have.

                          But how do we debate the merits when the future candidate pool will be filled with 6-inning pitchers? For pete's sake, Max Scherzer is hitting stride in his prime and he has yet to pitch a complete game in his career!

                          My guess is that Tim Hudson will be on the so-called right side of history. His timing will be his friend.
                          Catfish Hunter, RIP. Mark Fidrych, RIP. Skip Caray, RIP. Tony Gwynn, #19, RIP

                          A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. -- Winston Churchill. (Please take note that I've recently become aware of how this quote applies to a certain US president. This is a coincidence, and the quote was first added to this signature too far back to remember when).

                          Experience is the hardest teacher. She gives the test first and the lesson later. -- Dan Quisenberry.

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                          • #88
                            It seems like he has recovered nicely from what I thought might be a career ending injury. 7-3 2.39 ERA as we near the All Star break. I see his K?BB is way above his career norms. His HR/9 and K/9 are around his normal numbers. He has cut his BB/9 more or less in half from the mid 2s to 1.3. If that is not some random thing he could really make a run at the HOF, especially if, as noted, expectations on career numbers move by the time he is eligible. Right now he is in the never never land between guys like Cone and Tiant.

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                            • #89
                              Only if he gets to 300 wins or a couple of CY Young Awards.

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                              • #90
                                Any of your opinions have changed about his possibility of making the Hall of Fame?

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