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  • BBF HOF voting thread 4/5 to 4/25/08

    Let the voting begin! For anyone who has not participated before, please read the rules posted here

    The Rules

    Those players receiving only one ballot in an election may go on to a list from which voters may only vote for a limited number of such candidates. For more details on this rule, please follow the above link to the Rules. For this election, you may not select more than three (3) from this list:

    Code:
    Bond, Tommy**
    Bottomley, Jim*
    Bridges, Tommy
    Canseco, Jose**
    Cash, Norm**
    Cravath, Gavvy
    Elliott, Bob*
    Howard, Elston
    Howard, Frank*
    Kingman, Dave**
    Lazzeri, Tony*
    Mathews, Bobby**
    McCormick, Jim**
    Morris, Jack
    Parrish, Lance
    Pesky, Johnny
    Rizzuto, Phil*
    Singleton, Ken
    Waner, Lloyd
    Youngs, Ross*
    For more details on this rule, please consult the link to the Rules above, and to this post: Limited Selection List

    Also, please note that now ballots as short as zero (0) names are now permitted. However, if a voter intends to cast a ballot naming no one, this must be clearly communicated or the ballot will not count.

    Voting in this cycle will end at 11:59:59 pm Eastern Time, March 14, 2008.

    Other information of note is who is in the BBF HOF.

    BBF HOF membership by category

    BBF HOF membership listed alphabetically

    Last month's results are posted. You are requested to pay particular attention to those individuals receiving 50% or more of the vote last election, as they are the most likely candidates to be elected this month. In fact, I have specific posts on players receiving 50% or more of last month's vote:

    Results of last election

    Those with 50% or more last election

    I have also posted this with respect to the status of the project:

    Project Status

    I have posted all the players who have exceeded 50% of the vote at least once without yet being elected

    50%+ voting history

    Also, please note that you can access the last voting thread here.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    My 4/5 - 4/25/08 ballot

    key:
    red=Japanese League
    blue=Negro Leagues
    green=19th century

    I am replacing the elected Alejandro Oms and Tony Mullane with Charlie Keller and Rabbit Maranville. I currently have three open spots, and some candidates I might/probably will support yet. Of course, it's possible someone will convince me to support someone not currently in my queue or list of possibles.

    Players

    1. Sal Bando, 3b
    2. Akira Bessho, p (Japan)
    3. Cupid Childs, 2b
    4. Bus Clarkson, ss
    5. Wilbur Cooper, p
    6. Leon Day, p
    7. Darrell Evans, 3b
    8. Jack Glasscock, ss
    9. Charlie Keller, of
    10. Masaaki Koyama, p (Japan)
    11. Tommy Leach, 3b/cf
    12. Dick Lundy, ss
    13. Rabbit Maranville, ss
    14. Hiromitsu Ochiai 1B/3B (Japan)
    15. Sam Rice, of
    16. Hardy Richardson, 2b
    17. Vern Stephens, ss
    18. Ezra Sutton, 3b
    19. Quincy Trouppe, c
    20. Bucky Walters, p
    21. Vic Willis, p
    22. Hack Wilson, of

    Anyone who wants more information on these or other players, please see my latest player voting guide
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      Jake Beckley, 1b
      Akira Bessho, p
      Roger Bresnahan, c
      Pete Browning, of
      Jose Canseco, of
      Cupid Childs, 2b
      Wilber Cooper, p
      Darrell Evans, 3b
      Jack Glasscock, ss
      Lefty Gomez, p
      Addie Joss, p
      Dave Kingman, 1b
      Chuck Klein, of
      Tommy Leach, of
      Edgar Martinez, 3b
      Cal McVey, 1b
      Rafael Palmeiro, 1b
      Sam Rice, of
      Hardy Richardson, 2b
      Jimmy Sheckard, of
      Ezra Sutton, 3b
      Mickey Welch, p
      Hack Wilson, of
      Jimmy Wynn, of
      Vic Willis, p
      My dream ballpark dimensions
      LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
      RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
      Location....San Diego

      Comment


      • #4
        I'm only carrying 14 names this time around as these are the guys I feel strongest about. The only player I added to the mix is Bernie Williams as I did not know previously that he was eligible yet. If a player not on my list starts gaining momentum, I may add him later. I'm still hoping that 1 person who might be on the fence about Roger Bresnahan might add his name to their ballot to get him elected as the previous election was the second consecutive election he missed election by 1 vote.

        Jake Beckley
        Roger Bresnahan
        Cupid Childs
        Jack Glasscock
        Lefty Gomez
        Keith Hernandez
        Addie Joss
        Rabbit Maranville
        Thurman Munson
        Johnny Pesky
        Phil Rizzuto
        Vern Stephens
        Ezra Sutton
        Bernie Williams
        Last edited by jjpm74; 04-06-2008, 07:02 PM.

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        • #5
          Bessho, A.
          Bresnahan, R.
          Bridges, T.
          Cash, N.
          Childs, C.
          Cooper, W(ilber, not Walker).
          Gomez, L.
          Hernandez, K.
          Howard, E.
          Keller, C.
          Leach, T.
          Lombardi, E.
          Maranville, R.
          Morris, J.
          McVey, C.
          Munson. T.
          Nettles, G
          Parrish, L (Lance, not Larry) .
          Rice, J.
          Rosen, A.
          Sheckard, J.
          Sutton, E.
          Wilson, H.
          Wynn, J

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          • #6
            Jake Beckley
            Chief Bender
            Akira Bessho
            Bobby Bonds
            Roger Bresnahan
            Pete Browning
            Wilbur Cooper
            Kiki Cuyler
            Jack Glasscock
            Lefty Gomez
            Addie Joss
            Chuck Klein
            Heinie Manush
            Cal McVey
            Hiromitsu Ochiai
            Al Oliver
            Jim Rice
            Sam Rice
            Jimmy Ryan
            Lee Smith
            Vern Stephens
            Larry Walker
            Mickey Welch
            Vic Willis
            Hack Wilson

            Tony Mullane and Alejandro Oms are replaced by Jack Glasscock and Vern Stephens.

            Comment


            • #7
              1. Jake Beckley, 1b
              2. Chief Bender, p
              3. Jim Bottomley, 1b
              4. Pete Browning, of
              5. Cupid Childs, 2b
              6. Kiki Cuyler, of
              7. Jack Glasscock, ss
              8. Lefty Gomez, p
              9. Addie Joss, p
              10. Chuck Klein, of
              11. Heinie Manush, of
              12. Sam Rice, of
              13. Vic Willis, p
              14. Hack Wilson, of
              15. Ross Youngs, of

              - Tony Mullane was elected. Lloyd Waner was (thankfully) removed at the very end of the last election cycle.
              1955 1959 1963 1965 1981 1988

              1889 1890 1899 1900 1916 1920
              1941 1947 1949 1952 1953 1956
              1966 1974 1977 1978


              1983 1985 1995 2004 2008 2009
              2013 2014


              1996 2006

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              • #8
                Friday night: "I have added Bonds, Burns, and Trouppe to my ballot since three weeks ago, and added none of the whiz shortstops (Bancroft, Maranville, Concepcion). Frankly, that's a spur of the moment decision to get a ballot in and make it a 25 rather than a 22."

                Trouppe has six votes now, against three for Bonds and two for Burns, so he makes this preliminary ballot with 21 names. I expect to vote for 25 and I will alert amendments using boldface.
                add -04-17: Bobby Bonds, Rabbit Maranville (now 23 votes)
                add -04-23: Dave Bancroft, Keith Hernandez (now 25 votes)

                Dave Bancroft
                Wally Berger
                Akira Bessho
                Bobby Bonds
                Roger Bresnahan
                Cupid Childs
                Wilbur Cooper
                Gavvy Cravath
                Darrell Evans
                Jack Glasscock
                Keith Hernandez
                Charley Jones
                Charlie Keller
                Tommy Leach
                Herman Long
                Rabbit Maranville
                Cal McVey

                Graig Nettles
                Dickey Pearce
                Lip Pike
                Hardy Richardson

                Jimmy Sheckard
                Ezra Sutton
                Quincy Trouppe
                Jimmy Wynn
                Last edited by Paul Wendt; 04-23-2008, 04:40 PM. Reason: add two

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                • #9
                  Akira Bessho
                  Roger Bresnahan
                  Cupid Childs
                  Bus Clarkson
                  Wilbur Cooper
                  Leon Day
                  Darrell Evans
                  Jack Glasscock
                  Lefty Gomez
                  Charley Jones
                  Tommy Leach
                  Dick Lundy
                  Edgar Martinez
                  Cal McVey
                  Hiromitsu Ochiai
                  Sam Rice
                  Hardy Richardson
                  Jimmy Sheckard
                  Vern Stephens
                  Ezra Sutton
                  Quincy Trouppe
                  Bucky Walters
                  Vic Willis
                  Hack Wilson
                  Jimmy Wynn
                  "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                  "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                  "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                  "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Jake Beckley
                    Akira Bessho
                    Pete Browning
                    Kiki Cuyler
                    Leon Day
                    Jack Glasscock
                    Lefty Gomez
                    Bob Johnson
                    Addie Joss
                    Chuck Klein
                    Ernie Lombardi
                    Heinie Manush
                    Edgar Martinez
                    Cal McVey
                    Hiromitsu Ochiai
                    Rafael Palmeiro
                    Spot Poles
                    Jim Rice
                    Sam Rice
                    Hardy Richardson
                    Jimmy Ryan
                    Jimmy Sheckard
                    Lee Smith
                    Mickey Welch
                    Hack Wilson
                    Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
                    Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
                    Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
                    Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
                    Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Pete Browning
                      Kiki Cuyler
                      Lefty Gomez
                      Bob Johnson
                      Chuck Klein
                      Tony Lazzeri
                      Ernie Lombardi
                      Heinie Manush
                      Edgar Martinez
                      Bobby Matthews
                      Jim McCormick
                      Cal McVey
                      Tony Oliva
                      Al Oliver
                      Tip O'Neill
                      Rafael Palmeiro
                      Jim Rice
                      Al Rosen
                      Lee Smith
                      Vern Stephens
                      Bobby Veach
                      Larry Walker
                      Mickey Welch
                      Vic Willis
                      Hack Wilson

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Jake Beckley
                        Roger Bresnahan
                        Pete Browning
                        Cupid Childs
                        Kiki Cuyler
                        Bob Elliott
                        Darrell Evans
                        Dwight Evans
                        Jack Glasscock
                        Lefty Gomez
                        Keith Hernandez
                        Addie Joss
                        Chuck Klein
                        Edgar Martinez
                        Cal McVey
                        Rafael Palmeiro
                        Dickey Pearce
                        Sam Rice
                        Hardy Richardson
                        Jimmy Sheckard
                        Vern Stephens
                        Ezra Sutton
                        Larry Walker
                        Mickey Welch
                        Hack Wilson
                        Nos Amours! ... 1969-2004

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Dropped Lee Smith in favor of Bobby Bonds. Added Bernie Williams:

                          Jake Beckley
                          Wally Berger
                          Bobby Bonds
                          Roger Bresnahan
                          Lefty Gomez
                          Addie Joss
                          Tommy Leach
                          Rabbit Maranville
                          Edgar Martinez
                          Tony Oliva
                          Jimmy Ryan
                          Larry Walker
                          Mickey Welch
                          Bernie Williams
                          Vic Willis
                          Jimmy Wynn
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                          • #14
                            Jake Beckley
                            Akira Bessho
                            Roger Bresnahan
                            Pete Browning
                            Cupid Childs
                            Wilbur Cooper
                            Kiki Cuyler
                            Leon Day
                            Darrell Evans
                            Jack Glasscock
                            Lefty Gomez
                            Addie Joss
                            Chuck Klein
                            Ernie Lombardi
                            Dick Lundy
                            Heinie Manush
                            Cal McVey
                            Hiromitsu Ochiai
                            Al Oliver
                            Spotswood Poles
                            Jim Rice
                            Sam Rice
                            Lee Smith
                            Mickey Welch
                            Hack Wilson

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              19 Beckley-1B
                              7 Bresnahan-C
                              6 Browning P-OF*
                              4 Childs-2B*
                              35 Evans Da-3B*
                              23 Evans Dw-RF*
                              28 Glasscock-SS*
                              23 Hernandez-1B*
                              6 Keller-LF*

                              7 Klein-RF
                              4 Leach T-3B*
                              2 Maranville-SS
                              10 Martinez E-DH*
                              5 McVey-C*
                              7 Nettles-3B*

                              24 Palmeiro-1B*
                              12 Pearce D-SS*
                              4 Pike-CF*
                              11 Richardson H-2B*

                              10 Ryan J-CF*
                              9 Sheckard-LF*
                              5 Sutton E-3B*
                              1 Trouppe-C*

                              1 Welch M-P
                              28 Wynn J-CF*
                              11.6 ave mos on ballot

                              * = not in HOF
                              bold = member of the Hall of Merit
                              Last edited by Freakshow; 05-05-2008, 09:16 AM.
                              Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                              Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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