Trevor Hoffman

[henrich]

What are you basing these numbers on? I'd rank them more like this:

Mariano Rivera
Goose Gossage
Bruce Sutter
Dan Quisenberry
Dennis Eckersley (Looking strictly at his relief appearances)
Lee Smith
Rollie Fingers
Hoyt Wilhelm
Trevor Hoffman

Eckersley shouldn't be on that list. The fact that he spent half his career as a starter gives him significantly more career value than pure relievers.

I did an average IP per game and if it was under 3.5 then they were a reliever. That's why Eck is on this list. I understand your argument, and of course there's validity to it, I just used a standard guide and stuck to it.

Wins x 10, Saves x 15, Shutouts x 100, K's x 1, Gold Gloves x 100
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Leading the league in the following categories (top 10 get points)
Wins, ERA, Cy Young voting, MVP voting, and Saves.
(The MVP winner and CY young winner gets 500 points)
The Rolaids Relief winner gets 500 points-no points for runner-up etc.
100 points for first place for the other categories (wins, E.R.A. and Saves)
2nd place thru 10th place gets a sliding scale downward 90 points for 2nd, 80 points for 3rd, 10 points for 10th place in Wins, E.R.A. Saves and Cy Young Award and MVP voting. (I could have written that better, hopefully it makes sense)

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Playoffs x 100
League Championships x 250
World Series x 500

[henrich]

it's possible

So Mesa could easily pass up Quis

Is this disturbing

[Chadwick]

Is this disturbing

Quiz has six feet of topsoil on him and he can still outpitch Mesa.

[henrich]

laughing out loud

That's great! I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I think they will receive the same support from the Hall.

[jjpm74]

That's great! I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I think they will receive the same support from the Hall.

If you're saying Mesa will be one and done, agreed.

[RuthMayBond]

Quiz has six feet of topsoil on him and he can still outpitch Mesa.

QUOTE OF THE WEEK!!!

[RuthMayBond]

If you're saying Mesa will be one and done, agreed.

Let's just skip one and go straight to done

[dgarza]

That's great! I'm not saying I disagree with you, but I think they will receive the same support from the Hall.

Mesa beats Quisenberry in the HOF Monitor dept. handily. :disbelief:

[RuthMayBond]

Mesa beats Quisenberry in the HOF Monitor dept. handily. :disbelief:

That's it, we're burning HOF Monitor at the stake tonight

[RuthMayBond]

[QUOTE=henrich;1258762]
Wins x 10, Saves x 15,[/QUOTE}Dang, saves are worth almost as much as wins

<League Championships x 250
World Series x 500>

Pre-1969 players are saying, ":disbelief::grouchy

[Second Base Coach]

Changes to the game created the job of closer. They get paid a lot, and they are big parts of the game both on the field, in the clubhouse, and on the payroll. Teams which have good closers function differently late in the game when the score is close than those who do not have good closers. Men of quality who fill that role pretty well have numbers which look like Tug McGraw, or heck even Mean Gene Garber.

But players who are REALLY good, with some great moments, have stats which look like Rivera and Hoffman. I would have to think that we should reward that with a HOF nod. Just as Gossage was better than Dave Smith, I would have to think the difference between Trevor Hoffman and and Jose Mesa has to be respected and used as the difference between someone who is either in or out of the Hall of Fame.

The gap between Hoffman and Isringhausen is wider than the gap beween Dave Winfield and Jim Rice (for example).

[Paul Wendt]

The gap between Hoffman and Isringhausen is wider than the gap beween Dave Winfield and Jim Rice (for example).

Hear ye, hear ye.
From the street, sounds of Jim Rice fans rejoicing.

The difference between Jason Isringhausen and Paul Wilson is even greater, something no one would have predicted ten years ago. Congratulations to Jason Isringhausen on a fine comeback.

[henrich]

Hear ye, hear ye.
From the street, sounds of Jim Rice fans rejoicing.

The difference between Jason Isringhausen and Paul Wilson is even greater, something no one would have predicted ten years ago. Congratulations to Jason Isringhausen on a fine comeback.

I like your line of thinkin' there. I also love Rice getting a li'l respect.

[henrich]

If you're saying Mesa will be one and done, agreed.

I concur with you Mesa will not make the HOF. One and done would be my prediction, however sorry he'll make the cutoff to be on the ballot.

[henrich]

[QUOTE=RuthMayBond;1258976]

Wins x 10, Saves x 15,[/QUOTE}Dang, saves are worth almost as much as wins

<League Championships x 250
World Series x 500>

Pre-1969 players are saying, ":disbelief::grouchy

very true, but as stated in a later post, the game changed here and so did how writers looked at them, otherwise, Sutter and Gossage aren't in the HOF.