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    If you were suddenly put in charge of the Hall, what changes would you make to the election process?

    I believe the process should better encourage sustained debate and consideration of more candidates. In that vein, These are some of things I've been considering:

    - Extend the eligibility period to 5 years, making it a total of 25 since retirement. I know there will be detractors out there that believe if a person isn't elected in 15 years, why would they be elected in 20. You never know, and I don't see the harm in keeping the debate alive for a few years longer.

    - Modify the 5% rule. I think we've seen a number of candidates with at least decent arguments fall after receiving less than 5% on their initial ballot - Ted Simmons, Bobby Grich, Lou Whitaker, come to mind. So I would recommend requiring that for a player to be dropped, they received less than 5% in at least two consecutive elections. However, I also don't want to over saturate the ballot with several obviously under qualified players holding on for at least two elections, so I would maintain a threshold for one and done status, I'm thinking 2 or 3% right now. Thus, anyone receiving less than 2 or 3% on their first ballot, would be one and done.

    - Totally revamp the Veteran's Committee. The current format is almost as bad as the Frisch years. I believe the role of the Veteran's Committee is to keep the more distant history of the game alive and relevant. Some might argue that if a player wasn't elected by the BBWAA, then why elect them later? Well the BBWAA is not infallible. It's membership displays biases, inconsistencies, and most unfortunately at times, ignorance. Thus the VC should be an oversight on what the BBWAA may have missed, in addition to serving the function of just promoting fading history and figures. To achieve this I would break the VC down into actual committees, specialized in different areas. I would then propose either one of two election processes: 1) The committees have the authority to directly elect the figures under their area; or 2) The committees recommend players under their area to a master committee (which would be comprised of representatives from the sub-committees, and perhaps others such as former players, executives, media, historians, and whatnot, that have displayed a distinct predilection for the game's history), the master committee would then convene and elect at least one player from all the recommendations each year. I prefer the latter approach. I'd have a committee specializing in each of the following areas: 1) Pioneer Era and 19th Century which would examine figures instrumental in the games development as well as the players from the 19th Century; 2) An era up to a certain, perhaps arbitrary date (such players from 1901-WWII or integration); 3) Players after that cutoff date that have been retired for at least 25 years); and 4) Contributors, examining managers, executives, coaches, and other notables whose cumulative contributions might not be able to be boxed into one area (like Buck O'Neill). Regardless of the VC process, I would like to see at least one figure from the game's more distant past, elected per year, as such would be a good way of keeping the history of the game alive and relevant (as it would highlight stir a continuous debate as to what historical figures should enter the discussion).

  • #2
    I'd put together an oversight committee for the 19th century along the lines of what was set up for the Negro Leagues to get that era better representation in the HOF.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
      If you were suddenly put in charge of the Hall, what changes would you make to the election process?

      I believe the process should better encourage sustained debate and consideration of more candidates. In that vein, These are some of things I've been considering:

      - Extend the eligibility period to 5 years, making it a total of 25 since retirement. I know there will be detractors out there that believe if a person isn't elected in 15 years, why would they be elected in 20. You never know, and I don't see the harm in keeping the debate alive for a few years longer.

      - Modify the 5% rule. I think we've seen a number of candidates with at least decent arguments fall after receiving less than 5% on their initial ballot - Ted Simmons, Bobby Grich, Lou Whitaker, come to mind. So I would recommend requiring that for a player to be dropped, they received less than 5% in at least two consecutive elections. However, I also don't want to over saturate the ballot with several obviously under qualified players holding on for at least two elections, so I would maintain a threshold for one and done status, I'm thinking 2 or 3% right now. Thus, anyone receiving less than 2 or 3% on their first ballot, would be one and done.
      In the past I've made a suggestion that combines these two areas. The idea is to base continued eligibility on a support level tied to years eligible. The easiest application is to say: if your vote percentage exceeds your years on the ballot your eligibility continues.

      Of course, I understand the argument against potentially allowing players over 70 years of eligibility. If you agree with that, make it say: your vote percentage must meet or exceed twice your years eligible. That way, a first-year candidate needs 2%; a 20th-year candidate needs 40%. The maximum years eligible would be 38. In practice, more than 30 years would be very rare, given the fluctuations in support that occur, as well as the bandwagon effect in the voting that usually pushes a player to election when he gets close.

      I've always argued that if a player isn't advancing towards election, he shouldn't be allowed to linger on the ballot for 15 years. They become a distraction; worse they're a tease, because the player is led to believe he still has a chance at election, despite a decade-plus of support in the 10% range. So, get him off the ballot sooner and let the voters concentrate on the true candidates.

      I've also argued that if a player is getting a lot of support in the voting that to toss him off the ballot makes no sense. As long as he is getting good support and advancing closer to election, let him keep going. I think the years-times-two plan is a good compromise.
      Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

      Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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      • #4
        Ah, to be the God of Baseball. What a thrill that would be.

        Step 1. Abolish the VC for all eternity. Sorry, Ron.

        Step 2. Put one between the eyes of the BBWAA membership.

        Step 3. Develop a new voting electorate based upon knowledge of the game. I want people who understand how you evaluate players careers and know how to put a player in context. Part of the test would be the history of the game. People affiliated with MLB or the teams are ineligible. Probably limit this group to 1,000. Yes, there would be a fee to take the test. No free lunches.

        Step 4. Non-players are ineligible. Any of those wanting in can make a $1M donation to a charity of my choice and I will put them in the newly created Tommy LaSorda - Bowie Kuhn wing.

        Step 5. As much as I know there is a real need to have a proper historical review of old-timers who were passed over see Step 1. We just can't chance another Bowie Kuhn election or the disaster that was the Negro Leagues Committee.

        Step 6. I am God of Baseball. If I say a guy goes in he goes in. Welcome to Cooperstown, Mr. Santo and Mr. Blyleven!
        Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball

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        • #5
          fostering history

          Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
          If you were suddenly put in charge of the Hall, what changes would you make to the election process?
          . . .
          I believe the role of the Veteran's Committee is to keep the more distant history of the game alive and relevant.
          . . .
          Regardless of the VC process, I would like to see at least one figure from the game's more distant past, elected per year, as such would be a good way of keeping the history of the game alive and relevant (as it would highlight stir a continuous debate as to what historical figures should enter the discussion).
          Wow.
          That's a novel perspective and a novel suggestion.
          I like it, of course, even if you don't put me on the committee.

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          • #6
            Some immediate and practical suggestions:

            - Eliminate any maximum number of players permitted on a voter's ballot. It's a crime to allow some voters a zero-name ballot and restrict others to a ten-name max ballot and it creates "prioritization" issues for voters who feel there are more than 10 worthy candidates.

            - Institute some kind of vetting process among the BBWAA voters. There should be more qualification for voting than merely tenure in the writers' "union", as Woody Paige continues to remind us year after year.

            - Players who are dropped from the BBWAA ballot are immediately eligible for the next Veterans Committee ballot. No more long waits for a review by the Ted Simmons and Lou Whitakers of the world.

            - Revoke the "banned players = ineligible" clause and permit the voters to implement decide for themselves, given the "character" and "sportsmanship" guidelines already in place.

            - Hold annual elections for every group.

            - In years where no candidate receives 75% in an election, require a run-off so that at least one person is elected each year.

            - Revoke the "early eligibility" rule for deceased players.

            - Do a better job vetting the ballot so eligibility mistakes (Rijo, Caminiti, etc.) don't continue to occur.

            - Take the plaques of all executives, managers, umpires and pioneers and put them in a room with the "Scribes & Mikemen" exhibit. Discontinue all non-player elections, including the the Frick and Spink Awards and establish an all-encompassing "Meritorious Contributions to the Game" award where one individual per year is elected by a small committee of historians and former baseball men. The purpose of the award is to honor the sum of an individual's non-playing contributions.

            - Form a special committee to consider the election of, say, a dozen of the greatest Japanese players in history as a one-time deal similar to the very early Special Committee on the Negro Leagues from the 70's. Consideration should only be extended to those players already enshrined in the Japanese BB Hall of Fame.

            - Make the tallies of every election publicly available.

            - Remove BBWAA members from the Veterans Committee screening process.

            - Any player previously eligible for a BBWAA election who no longer has that eligibility should be permanently eligibility for consideration by the VC regardless of how he fared in BBWAA voting or what years he was born/played in.

            - And, of course, the most important - give lifetime voting privileges to the members of this forum!
            "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
            "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
            "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
            "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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            • #7
              Some articles I've written on this topic at Baseballthinkfactory:

              Hey, You! Get Off of My Ballot! – Out in the Cold in 2007

              An Open Letter to the Hall of Fame

              The Roll of Nominees: A Modest Proposal For the Hall of Fame

              Towards A Practical Fix For Hall of Fame Voting Procedures
              Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

              Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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