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  • Chadwick
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    Paul Krichell - scout
    Johnny Sain - coach
    Bill James - contributor

    Plenty of other examples. (Didn't we just have a thread about "contributors"?)

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  • AstrosFan
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    The J. G. Taylor Spink Award is given to members of the BBWAA, but I favor an exception being made for non-member Bill James, who is the most influential baseball writer of the last 30 years. It's not the same as getting into the Hall of Fame, which I do not favor for James, but it means you are recognized by an exhibit in the Hall.

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  • zahavasdad
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    For those against Broadcasters

    Which is a more important event in Baseball

    The Bobby Thompson Home Run OR Russ Hodges making the Call "The Giants Win the Pennant"

    There have been other World Series and Pennants won on a Home Run , but none had the Russ Hodges call.

    And I agree, Harry Caray is probably the most important Cub after MAYBE Ernie Banks

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  • jjpm74
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    Originally posted by Paul Wendt View Post
    That is the best argument against the Frick and Spink Awards. They are second class awards, like the Honor Rolls of Baseball (1946, abandoned). But the fact that they exist means no print or voice journalist will be elected to the Hall of Fame, although one or three probably should be distinguished like Chadwick.
    Eg, Red Barber (and Mel Allen?), pioneering broadcasters.
    Eg, Francis Richter, print journalist.
    I would add Harry Caray to that group. The guy was a living legend in Chicago and helped establish the 7th inning stretch.

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  • Paul Wendt
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    Originally posted by zahavasdad View Post
    I was referring to to others

    Like maybe Carl Stotz who founded the Little League.
    Then you should look up Conlon and Berger.

    But inducted examples like Henry Chadwick, so Bill James could be a choice
    I agree.
    Although Chadwick was a writer he was also an official, like secretary of the annual meeting or the rules committee. I don't know whether he ever was an executive, ie convention or committee president. Maybe not, as he was no longer a player. He was called "the Father of Baseball" and "Father Chadwick" in the 1890s and 1900s. It's possible they elected him on that reputation without discussing any particular role.
    The now-official label "Pioneer" fits because he was pioneering in every role: pioneering writer, pioneering scorer, pioneering statistician, pioneering official (or executive if he ever served thus).

    And frankly I dont have a problem with Broadcasters being actually inducted (as opposed to a seperate wing) IF they were as important to the game as say a Bob Gibson or Lou Brock (ie Mel Allen)
    That is the best argument against the Frick and Spink Awards. They are second class awards, like the Honor Rolls of Baseball (1946, abandoned). But the fact that they exist means no print or voice journalist will be elected to the Hall of Fame, although one or three probably should be distinguished like Chadwick.
    Eg, Red Barber (and Mel Allen?), pioneering broadcasters.
    Eg, Francis Richter, print journalist.

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  • zahavasdad
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    I was referring to to others

    Like maybe Carl Stotz who founded the Little League

    But inducedted examples like Henry Chadwick , so Bill James could be a choice

    And frankly I dont have a problem with Broadcasters being actually inducted (as opposed to a seperate wing) IF they were as important to the game as say a Bob Gibson or Lou Brock (ie Mel Allen)

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  • Paul Wendt
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    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
    The author I *think* is looking for non-ball player candidates for the HOF who are not Managers, Executives or Umpires. He's looking for guys like coaches, scouts, contributors, etc...
    Oh, that's probably right: not baseball club, baseball league, or baseball governing body executives or other officials.

    The one place to look is the discussion of contributors in "Sticky: Baseball Fever Hall of Fame". That's immense and contributors may not be easy to find.

    Here are the ones who have been elected to the BBF HOF in other categories. Five are in Cooperstown (bold). The discussions and election results must cover some others including some scouts. I don't believe that any but Miller is likely to be nominated. Certainly not the outside "pioneers" Berger and Conlon.

    >>
    Pioneers
    Doc Adams, Sy Berger, Alexander Cartwright, Henry Chadwick, Charles Conlon, Rube Foster, Marvin Miller, Lefty O'Doul, Buck O'Neill, John Montgomery Ward, Harry Wright

    Broadcasters
    Mel Allen, Red Barber, Ernie Harwell, Vin Scully

    Writers
    Bill James, Francis Richter, J.G. Taylor Spink
    <<

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  • jjpm74
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    Originally posted by Paul Wendt View Post
    See "Sticky: Introduction to HOF talk/Resources" by jim albright, the moderator of this forum. "Sticky" means it is always at the top of the directory. Part of the list of links, page one, looks like his:
    >>
    Managers and GMs who belong in the Hall (or already are)

    HOF league executives and team owners

    HOF umpires
    <<
    The author I *think* is looking for non-ball player candidates for the HOF who are not Managers, Executives or Umpires. He's looking for guys like coaches, scouts, contributors, etc...

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  • Paul Wendt
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    Sticky Introduction with directory links

    See "Sticky: Introduction to HOF talk/Resources" by jim albright, the moderator of this forum. "Sticky" means it is always at the top of the directory. Part of the list of links, page one, looks like his:
    >>
    Managers and GMs who belong in the Hall (or already are)

    HOF league executives and team owners

    HOF umpires
    <<

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  • Chadwick
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    Yes, there are.

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  • jjpm74
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    Buck O'Neil
    Doc Adams

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  • zahavasdad
    started a topic Marvin Miller and "OTHERS" who belong in the Hall

    Marvin Miller and "OTHERS" who belong in the Hall

    Marvin Miller is a finalist for the HOF, whether you think he belong there or not.

    Are there "OTHERS" ie Not Umpires , Managers , GM who might belong in the HOF

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