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Welcome to The Ultimate Quest for Candidates – Round 2. This thread will have the sixth poll in the second round, combining the leading players from the polls for the 1860's/70's and the 1880's. Refer to the earlier threads for discussion and links to biographies.
There will be 15 players on the ballot. You will be asked to vote for 5 (FIVE) players. These 13 players automatically advanced to this round by their top finishes in the Round 1 polls:
100% Ross Barnes
100% Deacon White
93.3% Joe Start
73.3% Cal McVey
73.3% Ezra Sutton
65.2% Tony Mullane
65.2% Paul Hines
65.2% Harry Stovey
61.6% Bob Caruthers
60.9% Pete Browning
60.0% Dickey Pearce
47.8% Charlie Bennett
47.8% Jack Glasscock
We need to decide who will get the other two spots on the ballot. There are 8 runners-up who are under consideration:
46.7% Lip Pike
39.1% George Gore
26.1% Jim McCormick
26.1% Tip O'Neill
26.1% Hardy Richardson
21.7% Charley Jones
20.0% Bobby Mathews
13.3% Tommy Bond
My personal picks are Gore and Richardson. Your input on this issue is strongly requested as we look to develop a consensus.
Below are the players we voted as the top 21 HOF candidates whose careers centered in the 1870’s and 1880’s.
Pos – primary position(s)
BJ – rank at his position in the New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract (2001)
Win Shares – shown are career total and best 3 years
WARP3 – from Baseball Prospectus; shown are career total and best 3 years
Other –
Some other things to be aware of:
1) Bill James’ rankings emphasize players’ peak years; this results in long steady careers being rated lower than what may seem right.
2) Win shares are “raw”, straight from the book. I have made no adjustments for season length, league quality, missed seasons or anything.
3) You should look to credit these players with minor league or pre-professional play. I have not systematically attempted this.
4) The latest WARP revision sharply reduced most of these candidate’s numbers from the previous polls' charts.
That leaves 15 players that dropped out of consideration after Round 1: Charlie Buffinton, John Clapp, Jim Creighton, Fred Dunlap, Bob Ferguson, Davy Force, Dave Foutz, Silver King, Dick McBride, Levi Meyerle, John Peters, Al Reach, Jim Whitney, Ned Williamson, and Tom York. Each of these candidates drew less than 10% support.
There will be 15 players on the ballot. You will be asked to vote for 5 (FIVE) players. These 13 players automatically advanced to this round by their top finishes in the Round 1 polls:
100% Ross Barnes
100% Deacon White
93.3% Joe Start
73.3% Cal McVey
73.3% Ezra Sutton
65.2% Tony Mullane
65.2% Paul Hines
65.2% Harry Stovey
61.6% Bob Caruthers
60.9% Pete Browning
60.0% Dickey Pearce
47.8% Charlie Bennett
47.8% Jack Glasscock
We need to decide who will get the other two spots on the ballot. There are 8 runners-up who are under consideration:
46.7% Lip Pike
39.1% George Gore
26.1% Jim McCormick
26.1% Tip O'Neill
26.1% Hardy Richardson
21.7% Charley Jones
20.0% Bobby Mathews
13.3% Tommy Bond
My personal picks are Gore and Richardson. Your input on this issue is strongly requested as we look to develop a consensus.
Below are the players we voted as the top 21 HOF candidates whose careers centered in the 1870’s and 1880’s.
Code:
Pos BJ Player Name WS/Career WARP3 4 --- Ross Barnes 1868-81 (71.9: 14.9-12.0-11.8) 2 #49 Charlie Bennett (157: 19-18-15) (79.3: 10.1-9.9-9.6) 8/7 #38 Pete Browning (225: 30-28-23) (63.7: 9.3-8.5-7.9) 1 #88 Bob Caruthers (337: 57-54-51) (62.3: 12.0-11.5-9.4) 6 #43 Jack Glasscock (261: 27-25-22) (101.9: 10.1-10.0-9.8) 8 #53 Paul Hines (249: 28-22-19) (105.3: 11.8-10.3-8.9) 2/3 --- Cal McVey 1869-79 (53.6: 10.7-9.5-6.1) 1 #82 Tony Mullane (399: 58-55-46) (46.3: 7.1-6.5-6.3) 6 --- Dickey Pearce 1856-77 3 #107 Joe Start 1862-86 (67.5: 7.1-6.5-6.3) 7/3 #39 Harry Stovey (265: 28-28-26) (76.6: 9.4-9.2-8.3) 5 #98 Ezra Sutton 1870-88 (77.7: 9.1-8.3-7.1) 5/2 #76 Deacon White 1869-90 (110.1: 10.6-10.1-9.6) at-large candidates 1 #97 Tommy Bond 1874-84 (26.7: 10.6-6.7-6.0) 8 #40 [B]George Gore[/B] (250: 30-26-24) (91.9: 11.7-9.5-8.8) 7 #67 Charley Jones (161: 27-24-21) (62.7: 11.1-8.4-7.7) 1 --- Bobby Mathews 1869-87 (18.7: 7.9-6.2-3.2) 1 --- Jim McCormick (334: 54-53-42) (43.8: 10.3-7.4-6.4) 7 #48 Tip O'Neill (213: 36-28-27) (41.7: 9.3-8.0-7.5) 8/4 --- Lip Pike 1866-78 (51.1: 11.8-10.3-7.4) 4/7 #39 [B]Hardy Richardson[/B](230: 32-25-23) (86.3: 11.7-8.7-8.6)
BJ – rank at his position in the New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract (2001)
Win Shares – shown are career total and best 3 years
WARP3 – from Baseball Prospectus; shown are career total and best 3 years
Other –
Some other things to be aware of:
1) Bill James’ rankings emphasize players’ peak years; this results in long steady careers being rated lower than what may seem right.
2) Win shares are “raw”, straight from the book. I have made no adjustments for season length, league quality, missed seasons or anything.
3) You should look to credit these players with minor league or pre-professional play. I have not systematically attempted this.
4) The latest WARP revision sharply reduced most of these candidate’s numbers from the previous polls' charts.
That leaves 15 players that dropped out of consideration after Round 1: Charlie Buffinton, John Clapp, Jim Creighton, Fred Dunlap, Bob Ferguson, Davy Force, Dave Foutz, Silver King, Dick McBride, Levi Meyerle, John Peters, Al Reach, Jim Whitney, Ned Williamson, and Tom York. Each of these candidates drew less than 10% support.
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