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    Over 23 years in the majors, Dennis Martinez went 245-193 with 2149 strikeouts and a 3.70 ERA. A seven-time 15 game winner, Martinez was a four time All-Star and a solid postseason pitcher as well, posting career postseason ERA of 3.32.

    In 1991, he led the league in ERA, in 1981 he led the league in wins, in 1979 he led the league in IP, in 1979 he led the league in games started, in 1979 and 1991 he led the league in CG, in 1991 he led the league in shutouts from 1996 to 1998 he was the oldest player in the league.

    Martinez has respectable grey ink of 138. He is the all-time win leader among Latin players and he was the first Nicaraguan to ever appear in the major leagues. He also pitched a perfect game on July 28, 1991.

    He is statistically similar to three Hall of Famers: Waite Hoyt, Red Faber and Burleigh Grimes.

    A lot of people might look at Martinez's ERA and say "3.70? That's too high." But, a lot of those same people may also support Jack Morris' induction into the Hall of Fame, and Morris had a 3.90 ERA. In fact, Morris was rather similar to Dennis Martinez. Morris posted a 254-186 record, Martinez a 245-193. Morris' winning percentage was only a tad higher, at .577 (compared to Martinez's .559). Morris is so similar to Martinez that he is actually Martinez's second most similar pitcher.

    Anyway, should Dennis Martinez be in the Hall of Fame?
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  • #2
    I don't really like Jack Morris for the Hall either. I can't in good conscience say that Dennis Martinez is a Hall of Famer, but not only based on that.

    Martinez never won even 17 games in a season. That is very silly to say, but even that basic fact is still very underwhelming.
    46 wins to match last year's total

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    • #3
      El Presidente was a good pitcher who almost threw it all away. If his career had not been sidetracked by alcohol, he would have a much stronger case.

      But it was, he lost some time, and he falls short.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Captain Cold Nose View Post
        El Presidente was a good pitcher who almost threw it all away. If his career had not been sidetracked by alcohol, he would have a much stronger case.

        But it was, he lost some time, and he falls short.
        That's quite true. He had a wonderful career considering the circumstances, but the fact is he's not a Hall of Famer.
        46 wins to match last year's total

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        • #5
          From the start of his career through years 1977-1986, Martinez was a very average pitcher. His ERA's were very lackluster and ended up above league average at least half the time. He experienced a nice 7-year renaissance as an Expo, and could have been a twenty game winner multiple times with more run support, but he falls well short if you look at the whole picture.

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          • #6
            I just see an above average pitcher who pitched forever. Give him kudos for a fine career, but no HoFer.
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            • #7
              Of all the successful pitching the Orioles had for a couple decades, Martinez is the one guy who had to leave Baltimore to actually do something. Kind of an enigma, isn't he? If he did blossom alongside all those CYA winners, it would be a lot tougher to dismiss him.

              Ifs never equal dids, though.
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              • #8
                September 28, 1995: He accidentally hit Kirby Puckett with a pitch, breaking his upper jaw. :dismay:

                Martinez had a good career, but I don't think it was HOF good.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Greg Maddux's Biggest Fan View Post
                  From the start of his career through years 1977-1986, Martinez was a very average pitcher. His ERA's were very lackluster and ended up above league average at least half the time. He experienced a nice 7-year renaissance as an Expo, and could have been a twenty game winner multiple times with more run support, but he falls well short if you look at the whole picture.
                  The run with the Expos is the basis for his case. It was quite a peak, especially coming from a guy once seen as an underachiever and then later as a substance abuse case.

                  The peak is probably too short (I voted "Maybe" out of my respect for him), but he was really quite stellar for the length of it. I don't think that should be undersold.
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                  • #10
                    It's a shame about the 1981 and 1994 strike seasons. He could've pitched in 20-25 more games. All he needed was one more out for 4,000 innings.

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                    • #11
                      If you're planning on expanding the HOF to include 200 pitchers, sure.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                        If you're planning on expanding the HOF to include 200 pitchers, sure.
                        How about "No, and here's why..."?

                        I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm rather sick of this kind of dismissive, pseudo-wised up little reply.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post
                          How about "No, and here's why..."?

                          I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm rather sick of this kind of dismissive, pseudo-wised up little reply.
                          Do I really need to dig out and post the top 200 pitchers of all time list that has already been posted here before on a post that doesn't give any kind of persuasive argument on why Dennis Martinez, a pitcher who was never considered the best in the game at any point in his career should be considered a possible HOFer? I assumed it was pretty common knowledge since I've only been a member here for a short while and know about it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                            Dennis Martinez, a pitcher who was never considered the best in the game at any point in his career
                            That's the start for a legitimate case against him. All I want is for people to actually make those, rather than cut things off with curt little remark, as if the question (and by implication, the questioner) is a waste of everyone's time. Just a little common courtesy.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post
                              That's the start for a legitimate case against him. All I want is for people to actually make those, rather than cut things off with curt little remark, as if the question (and by implication, the questioner) is a waste of everyone's time. Just a little common courtesy.
                              Maybe if everyone around here wasn't so touchy, those who are less inclined to spend 4 hours putting together a masterful SABRmetric chart with detailed analysis of WARP3, win shares, WHIP, ERA+, etc... would actually weigh in with their opinion. There are a lot of members on this site who view this forum, yet this forum is one of the least posted in. Just a thought. :cap:
                              Last edited by jjpm74; 05-15-2008, 08:42 PM.

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