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Welcome to The Ultimate Quest for Candidates – Round 2. This thread will have the seventh and final poll in the second round, combining the leading players from the polls for the early/mid 1980’s and the late 1980’s/early 90's. Refer to the earlier threads for discussion and links to biographies.
There will be 17 players on the ballot. You will be asked to vote for 6 (SIX) players. These 14 players automatically advanced to this round by their top finishes in the Round 1 polls:
88% Tim Raines
88% Andre Dawson
85% Albert Belle
83% Alan Trammell
79% Dale Murphy
77% Mark McGwire
74% Will Clark
67% Keith Hernandez
63% Jim Rice
59% Lee Smith
58% Dwight Evans
58% Dan Quisenberry
58% Lou Whitaker
55% David Cone
We need to decide who will get the other three spots on the ballot. There are nine runners-up who are under consideration:
42% Jack Morris
37% Bret Saberhagen
37% Harold Baines
33% Don Mattingly
26% Jose Canseco
26% Joe Carter
26% Orel Hershiser
21% Ron Guidry
17% Dave Stieb
My personal picks are probably Saberhagen, Mattingly and Stieb. Your input on this issue is strongly requested as we look to develop a consensus.
Below are the players we voted as the top 23 HOF candidates whose careers centered in the 1980’s and early 1990's.
Pos – primary position(s)
BJ – rank at his position in the New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract (2001)
Win Shares – shown are career total and best 3 years
WARP3 – from Baseball Prospectus; shown are career total and best 3 years
Other –
Some other things to be aware of:
1) Bill James’ rankings emphasize players’ peak years; this results in long steady careers being rated lower than what may seem right.
2) Win shares in strike seasons 1972, 1981, 1994 and 95 are increased to adjust them to a 162-game season. In addition, 1981 and 1994 have been gently regressed for surrounding seasons.
3) You are free to credit players with minor league or foreign league play. Reggie Smith had play in Japan.
4) The latest WARP3 update has slightly higher numbers for most of these players than are shown in the Round 1 threads.
That leaves 19 players that dropped out of consideration after Round 1: Buddy Bell, Bobby Bonilla, Brett Butler, Jack Clark, Jose Cruz, Chili Davis, Brian Downing, Tony Fernandez, Mark Grace, Pedro Guerrero, Chet Lemon, Dennis Martinez, Paul O'Neill, Lance Parrish, Tony Phillips, Willie Randolph, Frank Tanana, Tim Wallach, and Matt Williams.
There will be 17 players on the ballot. You will be asked to vote for 6 (SIX) players. These 14 players automatically advanced to this round by their top finishes in the Round 1 polls:
88% Tim Raines
88% Andre Dawson
85% Albert Belle
83% Alan Trammell
79% Dale Murphy
77% Mark McGwire
74% Will Clark
67% Keith Hernandez
63% Jim Rice
59% Lee Smith
58% Dwight Evans
58% Dan Quisenberry
58% Lou Whitaker
55% David Cone
We need to decide who will get the other three spots on the ballot. There are nine runners-up who are under consideration:
42% Jack Morris
37% Bret Saberhagen
37% Harold Baines
33% Don Mattingly
26% Jose Canseco
26% Joe Carter
26% Orel Hershiser
21% Ron Guidry
17% Dave Stieb
My personal picks are probably Saberhagen, Mattingly and Stieb. Your input on this issue is strongly requested as we look to develop a consensus.
Below are the players we voted as the top 23 HOF candidates whose careers centered in the 1980’s and early 1990's.
Code:
Pos BJ Player Name Win Shares WARP3 7 #20 Albert Belle (256: 37-34-33) (89.6: 14.3-11.8-11.6) 3 #14 Will Clark (340: 44-37-34) (104.0: 13.2-11.4-9.9) 1 #98 David Cone (214: 27-21-21) (94.2: 10.8-9.7-9.0) 9/8 #19 Andre Dawson (353: 36-29-28) (107.5: 11.8-9.9-9.4) 9 #22 Dwight Evans (357: 36-31-29) (116.5: 12.5-10.1-9.2) 3 #16 Keith Hernandez (321: 33-30-29) (100.1: 10.1-9.7-9.5) 3 #3 Mark McGwire (349: 41-30-30) (109.8: 11.9-10.8-9.6) 8/9 #12 Dale Murphy (301: 33-32-32) (86.4: 11.6-10.0-9.7) 1 #68 Dan Quisenberry (163: 28-24-23) (52.7: 8.7-8.2-7.5) 7 #8 Tim Raines (406: 36-34-32) (131.1: 12.0-11.3-10.5) 7 #27 Jim Rice (289: 36-28-28) (80.2: 9.7-8.9-7.5) 1 --- Lee Smith (204: 19-17-17) (85.5: 8.8-8.0-7.6) 6 #9 Alan Trammell (327: 35-29-29) (127.1: 13.5-11.3-11.2) 4 #13 Lou Whitaker (363: 29-26-25) (129.9: 10.8-9.4-9.1) At-large Candidates 9/D #42 Harold Baines (317: 25-24-22) (98.6: 9.5-7.9-7.2) 9/D #36 Jose Canseco (280: 39-31-26) (86.8: 12.7-9.7-8.9) 7 #32 Joe Carter (246: 28-26-24) (67.9: 9.0-8.5-7.5) 1 #66 Ron Guidry (179: 31-22-19) (76.9: 12.3-9.2-8.7) 1 #83 Orel Hershiser (215: 25-23-21) (84.1: 9.9-9.5-8.9) 3 #12 [B]Don Mattingly[/B] (270: 34-32-29) (84.3: 11.9-11.0-10.2) 1 --- [B]Jack Morris[/B] (234: 23-21-20) (85.0: 8.0-7.8-7.5) 1 #79 [B]Bret Saberhagen[/B] (199: 28-24-23) (91.8: 12.6-10.1-10.0) 1 #74 Dave Stieb (217: 25-25-24) (86.5: 9.8-9.5-9.4)
BJ – rank at his position in the New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract (2001)
Win Shares – shown are career total and best 3 years
WARP3 – from Baseball Prospectus; shown are career total and best 3 years
Other –
Some other things to be aware of:
1) Bill James’ rankings emphasize players’ peak years; this results in long steady careers being rated lower than what may seem right.
2) Win shares in strike seasons 1972, 1981, 1994 and 95 are increased to adjust them to a 162-game season. In addition, 1981 and 1994 have been gently regressed for surrounding seasons.
3) You are free to credit players with minor league or foreign league play. Reggie Smith had play in Japan.
4) The latest WARP3 update has slightly higher numbers for most of these players than are shown in the Round 1 threads.
That leaves 19 players that dropped out of consideration after Round 1: Buddy Bell, Bobby Bonilla, Brett Butler, Jack Clark, Jose Cruz, Chili Davis, Brian Downing, Tony Fernandez, Mark Grace, Pedro Guerrero, Chet Lemon, Dennis Martinez, Paul O'Neill, Lance Parrish, Tony Phillips, Willie Randolph, Frank Tanana, Tim Wallach, and Matt Williams.
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