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  • The Top 100 Hall of Fame Player Candidates (UQFC)

    One of the stated aims of The Ultimate Quest for Candidates is to produce an era-adjusted list of the top 100 candidates. This thread will have a poll that will decide just that.

    In Round 1 of the UQFC there were 89 “winners”, players that automatically advanced to Round 2. We’re going to acknowledge them as being among the top 100 Hall of Fame candidates. Here is a chronological listing of those 89 HOF candidates:
    Code:
    1870	Ross	Barnes*+	1950	Gil	Hodges
    1870	Cal	McVey*+	        1950	Ted	Kluszewski
    1870	Dickey	Pearce*	        1950	Minnie	Minoso*+
    1870	Joe	Start*+	        1950	Don	Newcombe
    1870	Ezra	Sutton*	        1950	Billy	Pierce*
    1870	Deacon	White*+	        1950	Al	Rosen
    1880	Charlie	Bennett*+	1960	Dick	Allen*+
    1880	Pete	Browning*	1960	Ken	Boyer*+
    1880	Bob	Caruthers*+	1960	Bill	Freehan*+
    1880	Jack	Glasscock*+	1960	Frank	Howard
    1880	Paul	Hines*+	        1960	Jim	Kaat
    1880	Tony	Mullane+	1960	Tony	Oliva
    1880	Harry	Stovey*+	1960	Ron	Santo*+
    1890	Cupid	Childs*+ 	1960	Joe	Torre*+
    1890	Lave	Cross	        1960	Jim	Wynn*
    1890	Bill	Dahlen*+ 	1970.1	Bobby	Bonds
    1890	Herman	Long 	        1970.1	Tommy	John
    1890	Jimmy	Ryan	        1970.1	Thurman	Munson
    1890	George	Van Haltren+ 	1970.1	Reggie	Smith
    1900	Mike	Donlin	        1970.1	Luis	Tiant
    1900	Fielder	Jones	        1970.2	Bert	Blyleven*+
    1900	Tommy	Leach	        1970.2	Darrell	Evans*
    1900	Cy	Seymour	        1970.2	Bobby	Grich*+
    1900	Jimmy	Sheckard*	1970.2	Graig	Nettles*
    1900	Roy	Thomas	        1970.2	Dave	Parker+
    1910	George J Burns	        1970.2	Ted	Simmons*+
    1910	Gavy	Cravath	        1980.1	Andre	Dawson*+
    1910	Larry	Doyle+	        1980.1	Dwight	Evans*
    1910	Heinie	Groh*+	        1980.1	Keith	Hernandez*
    1910	Sherry	Magee*+	        1980.1	Dale	Murphy+
    1910	Bobby	Veach	        1980.1	Dan	Quisenberry+
    1920	Wilbur	Cooper	        1980.1	Jim	Rice
    1920	Jack	Fournier	1980.1	Alan	Trammell*+
    1920	Dolf	Luque	        1980.1	Lou	Whitaker*+
    1920	Carl	Mays+	        1980.2	Albert	Belle+
    1920	Wally	Schang	        1980.2	Will	Clark*+
    1920	Urban	Shocker	        1980.2	David	Cone
    1930	Wally	Berger	        1980.2	Mark	McGwire*+
    1930	Tommy	Bridges	        1980.2	Tim	Raines*+
    1930	Wes	Ferrell*+	1980.2	Lee	Smith
    1930	Bob	Johnson			
    1930	Buddy	Myer			
    1940	Bob	Elliott			
    1940	Joe	Gordon*+			
    1940	Stan	Hack*+			
    1940	Charlie	Keller*			
    1940	Vern	Stephens			
    1940	Mickey	Vernon			
    1940	Bucky	Walters
    That leaves 11 spots to be filled, which we will do in a poll with 25 candidates.
    ==============================
    In Round 2 there were 21 spots filled by at-large candidates, determined by discussion and straw polls before the polls were posted. These 21 players will be in the poll in this thread:
    Code:
    1880	Hardy	Richardson*+
    1880	George	Gore*+
    1890	Mike	Tiernan 
    1890	Dummy	Hoy
    1900	Johnny	Kling
    1910	Babe	Adams
    1910	Ed	Konetchy
    1920	Jack	Quinn
    1930	Lefty	O'Doul
    1930	Lon	Warneke
    1940	Johnny	Pesky
    1960	Norm	Cash
    1960	Elston	Howard
    1960	Maury	Wills
    1960	Vada	Pinson
    1970.1	Sal	Bando
    1970.1	Sparky	Lyle
    1970.2	Dave	Concepcion
    1980.1	Jack	Morris
    1980.1	Don	Mattingly
    1980.2	Bret	Saberhagen*
    We need to decide who will get the other four spots on the ballot. Under consideration are 14 candidates who received at least 30% support in Round 1 but did not make the ballot in Round 2:
    Code:
    1870	Lip	Pike*	 46.7%
    1900	Harry	Davis	 35.5%
    1910	Hippo	Vaughn	 35.7%
    1920	Cy	Williams 35.6%
    1920	Firpo	Marberry 38.9%
    1930	Dick	Bartell	 36.4%
    1940	Dom	DiMaggio 37.9%
    1940	Cecil	Travis	 31.0%
    1950	Alvin	Dark	 34.8%
    1950	Harvey	Kuenn	 30.4%
    1950	Eddie	Yost	 30.4%
    1970.1	Rusty	Staub	 33.3%
    1970.2	Steve	Garvey	 33.3%
    1980.2	Harold	Baines	 36.5%
    My personal picks are Rusty Staub, Lip Pike, and probably Dom DiMaggio and Dick Bartell. Your input on this issue is strongly requested as we look to develop a consensus.

    * = Elected to the Hall of Merit
    + = Elected to the BBF Hall of Fame
    267
    Babe Adams P
    1.50%
    4
    Sal Bando 3B
    4.49%
    12
    Norm Cash 1B
    5.99%
    16
    Dave Concepcion SS
    5.62%
    15
    Steve Garvey 1B
    6.37%
    17
    George Gore CF
    5.24%
    14
    Elston Howard C
    5.62%
    15
    Dummy Hoy CF
    1.50%
    4
    Johnny Kling C
    2.62%
    7
    Ed Konetchy 1B
    1.12%
    3
    Sparky Lyle RP
    2.62%
    7
    Don Mattingly 1B
    6.74%
    18
    Jack Morris P
    4.87%
    13
    Lefty O'Doul LF
    5.24%
    14
    Johnny Pesky SS
    2.25%
    6
    Lip Pike CF
    4.49%
    12
    Vada Pinson CF
    4.87%
    13
    Jack Quinn P
    2.25%
    6
    Hardy Richardson 2B
    4.87%
    13
    Bret Saberhagen P
    5.99%
    16
    Rusty Staub RF
    3.75%
    10
    Mike Tiernan RF
    1.50%
    4
    Hippo Vaughn P
    4.49%
    12
    Lon Warneke P
    2.62%
    7
    Maury Wills SS
    3.37%
    9

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Freakshow; 06-08-2008, 06:03 PM. Reason: Richardson elected to BBFHOF
    Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

    Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

  • #2
    --I don't really endorse any of the options, but the most deserving (or least undeserving?) IMO are; Vaughn, Garvey, Marberry and Pike.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by leecemark View Post
      --I don't really endorse any of the options, but the most deserving (or least undeserving?) IMO are; Vaughn, Garvey, Marberry and Pike.
      The point is not do you endorse them for Hall of Fame membership. Rather, do you think they might be among the top 100 candidates for the Hall?
      Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

      Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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      • #4
        --I know. That why I picked 4 even though all of them are outside my personal consideration set.

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        • #5
          Staub, Marberry, Baines, Garvey.
          1955 1959 1963 1965 1981 1988

          1889 1890 1899 1900 1916 1920
          1941 1947 1949 1952 1953 1956
          1966 1974 1977 1978


          1983 1985 1995 2004 2008 2009
          2013 2014


          1996 2006

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          • #6
            Pike, certainly

            plus three of Vaughn, Bartell, DiMaggio, and Staub

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            • #7
              Pike is the only one I support as a possible HOFer. The others: Garvey, Vaughn, Staub are good enough to make that list.

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              • #8
                Pike, Baines, Marberry, and Staub
                "I will calmly wait for my induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame."
                - Sammy Sosa

                "Get a comfy chair, Sammy, cause its gonna be a long wait."
                - Craig Ashley (AKA Windy City Fan)

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                • #9
                  This is the first I have ever heard of Pike. Is there a thread where his virtues are extolled?
                  The Writer's Journey

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                  • #10
                    Pike

                    --He played in the 1870s and, no, I'm not aware of any threads dedicated to him. He was supposedly the fastest player in baseball and also led the league in HR 4 times (although his high was 6 so make of that what you will). He probably left some of his best work in the murky days of pre-organized ball as he was 26 when the NA was formed and an immediate star.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by hairmetalfreek View Post
                      This is the first I have ever heard of Pike. Is there a thread where his virtues are extolled?
                      Pike was primarily a pre MLB guy, so stats aren't the greatest on him. There are a few good bios on him worth reading:

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lip_Pike

                      http://www.jewishsports.net/BioPages/LipmanPike.htm

                      http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?...d=31&pid=11267

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                      • #12
                        http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?...1575&pid=11265
                        (brother Israel Pike - short and sweet, another must read - by Peter Morris, baseball's finest researcher)

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                        • #13
                          Thanks all, I will do some research...
                          The Writer's Journey

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                            Pike is the only one I support as a possible HOFer. The others: Garvey, Vaughn, Staub are good enough to make that list.
                            My thoughts exactly.
                            "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                            "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                            "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                            "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                            • #15
                              The only one I'd support is Harold Baines.

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