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    Here's the big question that we all want to talk about for the next decade:
    In light of recent information as well as past information about PED use, what should be the long term fate of Barry Bonds and his records?!
    82
    Nothing! Innocent until proven guilty!
    2.44%
    2
    Throw him out of the game NOW, just like Pete Rose.
    13.41%
    11
    All his records should be wiped out.
    14.63%
    12
    I say YES! I would elect him the Hall of Fame.
    37.80%
    31
    I say NO! I would NOT elect him to the Hall of Fame.
    31.71%
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    The poll is expired.

    "Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you. What's that you say Mrs. Robinson? Joltin' Joe has left and gone away. Hey hey hey."

  • #2
    i have zero problem with him being in the hall of fame.

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    • #3
      what were his stats before 1998?

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      • #4
        Barry Bonds was a HOF calibur player before his torrid run for 73 homeruns.By enhancing his edge with drugs the only thing he has confirmed is besides being an a**hole he is also a loser.The HOF is full of drunks, wifebeaters, racists, cheaters, and liberals so a druguser will not tarnish Cooperstown as much as one would first think.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by julusnc
          Barry Bonds was a HOF calibur player before his torrid run for 73 homeruns.By enhancing his edge with drugs the only thing he has confirmed is besides being an a**hole he is also a loser.The HOF is full of drunks, wifebeaters, racists, cheaters, and liberals so a druguser will not tarnish Cooperstown as much as one would first think.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by julusnc
            Barry Bonds was a HOF calibur player before his torrid run for 73 homeruns.By enhancing his edge with drugs the only thing he has confirmed is besides being an a**hole he is also a loser.The HOF is full of drunks, wifebeaters, racists, cheaters, and liberals so a druguser will not tarnish Cooperstown as much as one would first think.
            By that argument, Pete Rose was a HOFer before he ever bet on a game. If Rose had walked away three years earlier, he'd be in. but he didn't.

            You can't just look at Bonds pre-1998, you have to look at his whole career, including the cheating/lying/inflated numbers. I voted no, but reserve the right to change my mind in 5-7 years when he becomes eligible and mroe comes out regarding all the steroid users.. I have no problem with people that think he belongs, but I don't like the pre-1998 argument. He did the steroids after that, so you can't ignore it as if it didn't happen.

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            • #7
              He's a Hall of famer in my book. I dont know how much steroids " boost " performance, but I know there's cheaters already in the HOF. Hell, If you were to actually remove all the " cheaters " from the HOF, you probably would have 2 guys.

              It's incredibly disgusting and sickening how steroid users get singled out as the " demons " and the biggest " cheaters " in baseball history. I guess many forgot gaylord perry's entire career was based on cheating, the same with whitey ford. And dont get me started on ty cobb.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by julusnc
                Barry Bonds was a HOF calibur player before his torrid run for 73 homeruns.By enhancing his edge with drugs the only thing he has confirmed is besides being an a**hole he is also a loser.The HOF is full of drunks, wifebeaters, racists, cheaters, and liberals so a druguser will not tarnish Cooperstown as much as one would first think.

                So can we also count you in the Shoeless Joe for the HOF club? I mean, prior to the 'fix of 1919' he had a great career. and Eddie Cicotte had already put up strong numbers and was like 21-7 the year he was forced to stop playing MLB so maybe we could also take a look at him.
                Johnny
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                • #9
                  It is really almost too early to sya. If he were to retire right now I would say elect him to the HOF, as was already stated he had a HOF career even before 1998. My biggest problem with Bonds right now is his pursuit of Hank Aaron's record. As a baseball fan I would feel cheated knowing that the person that holds the career homerun record was using steroids in order to get it. |||||||||||| to say you do not know that steroids helps a players performance is taking the ostrich approach.

                  Since Bonds is not retiring right now I say it is almmost too early to say. What I mean by that is that is Bonds Tests positive for steroids this season then the current rules should be followed. right now I believe it is a 3rd offense that will get you a lifetime ban from baseball. If Bonds were stupid enough to stick around and test positive 3 times then he should face the penalty of a lifetime ban, and that includes the Hall of Fame. I do not see it getting to that point because if he tests once he may come back, if he tests positive twice I think he retires.

                  I have said for the last two years that I believe Bonds will play long enough to pass Babe Ruth and then retire. he has said for a long time he wanted to erase Babe ruth from the record books for left handed hitters and he has almost done it. He is set up beautifully to pass Babe Ruth this year and come up just short on Hank Aaron and retire. Most people think I am stupid for believing he would retire being within striking distance of Hank Aaron, maybe I am but it is still what I believe.

                  The biggest difference I see between Bonds and Shoeless Joe is theat Shoeless Joe signed his own confession and banishment for baseball, even if he was duped into it. Pete Rose broke the rules of baseball and he must deal with the consequences. fortunately or unfortunately until last year Baseball had no mechanism in place to discipline a player for steroid use. Under the rules last season they have no "proof" of steroid use for Bonds. As I said if he gets caught this year he should pay the price, of course under the current rules he would have to get caught 3 times before he recieved a lifetime abn and as I said previously I do not see that happening.
                  Last edited by jpenrod; 03-09-2006, 12:16 PM.
                  I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he didn't have that kind of dough. But he eventually scraped it up.~Bob Uecker


                  "While he had a total of forty home runs in his first two big-league seasons, it is unlikely that Aaron will break any records in this department." ~ Furman Bisher, Atlanta Journal and Constitution "journalist"

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                  • #10
                    I voted NO to the Hall, erase the records and ban him like Rose.
                    If Rose and J Jackson are out and others have been banned from time to time, (did you know that Mays and Mantle were once banned because they worked for a casino, as I understand it (?)), then Bonds needs to go just like Raffy, only out period, not just for a month or a season.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by johnny
                      So can we also count you in the Shoeless Joe for the HOF club? I mean, prior to the 'fix of 1919' he had a great career. and Eddie Cicotte had already put up strong numbers and was like 21-7 the year he was forced to stop playing MLB so maybe we could also take a look at him.
                      Yes I would vote for Joe Jackson for the Hall of Fame...........

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                      • #12
                        I voted yes. It would be ridiculous if this guy didnt get into the hall of fame.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by julusnc
                          The HOF is full of drunks, wifebeaters, racists, cheaters, and liberals so a druguser will not tarnish Cooperstown as much as one would first think.
                          Damned liberals.

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                          • #14
                            Off & On the Field

                            Originally posted by julusnc
                            Barry Bonds was a HOF calibur player before his torrid run for 73 homeruns.By enhancing his edge with drugs the only thing he has confirmed is besides being an a**hole he is also a loser.The HOF is full of drunks, wifebeaters, racists, cheaters, and liberals so a druguser will not tarnish Cooperstown as much as one would first think.
                            Julusnc: Drunks, wifebeaters, racists, etc. refer to personal failings. The Black Sox, Pete Rose, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, etc., engaged in actions that brought controversy & disgrace to the game itself. No to the HOF for the aformentioned. Brownie31

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                            • #15
                              Damned liberals.

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