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    Over 17 years in the big leagues, Bob Welch went 211-146 with a 3.47 ERA. He won over 15 games six times and over 20 games once (in his outstanding 1990 season, when he also won the Cy Young Award and The Sporting News Pitcher of the Year Award).

    Twice an All-Star, Welch led the league in shutouts in 1987, wins and WL% in 1990 and in games started in 1991. He was often on the leaderboards in shutouts, wins and games started.

    Statistically, he is similar to two Hall of Famers: Catfish Hunter and Dazzy Vance, and he has respectable grey ink of 138.

    In 2000, he received a whopping one vote for the Hall of Fame.

    So, do you think Bob Welch should be in the Hall of Fame?
    48
    Yes
    0.00%
    0
    No
    91.67%
    44
    Maybe
    8.33%
    4

  • #2
    Nope. Not even close. I think position players can get away with not leading the league much in things, but not pitchers, especially starting pitchers.
    46 wins to match last year's total

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
      Over 17 years in the big leagues, Bob Welch went 211-146 with a 3.47 ERA. He won over 15 games six times and over 20 games once (in his outstanding 1990 season, when he also won the Cy Young Award and The Sporting News Pitcher of the Year Award).

      Twice an All-Star, Welch led the league in shutouts in 1987, wins and WL% in 1990 and in games started in 1991. He was often on the leaderboards in shutouts, wins and games started.

      Statistically, he is similar to two Hall of Famers: Catfish Hunter and Dazzy Vance, and he has respectable grey ink of 138.

      In 2000, he received a whopping one vote for the Hall of Fame.

      So, do you think Bob Welch should be in the Hall of Fame?
      This is the only Bob Welch that should be in the Hall of Fame

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      Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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      • #4
        I would not advocate for Welch making the HOF, but if you turned six (6) wins into losses in 1990, and added three (3) of those wins onto his 1988 and 1989 win totals, Bob Welch would have been an three-time 20 game winner.

        Would that have put Welch in the HOF? Maybe, maybe not. It would have helped him, on balance, however, in that his big 27 win season, where he won the Cy Young Award, stands out as a bit of a fluke. If he had won 20, 20, and 21 wins from 1988-90, those three seasons would be seen as Welch establishing a new level of ability above where he was perceived to be at with the Dodgers. This "trade" of sorts would have resulted in Welch not winning the Cy Young Award, but a decent number of pitchers have never won a Cy Young Award and are in the HOF.

        The other thing that would have helped Welch is if he had played his whole career in Los Angeles. Had he been a career Dodger, rearranging his luck just a wee bit, Welch might have been perceived as a bigger star.

        Welch had problems with alcohol abuse early in his career. He made an inspirational recovery, and his efforts were warmly received, but I also believe that this problem caused people to disappointed in his career due to this. I think there was a perception that had Welch not had his problems, he would have been a consistent 18-21 game winner, and the fact that Welch was, for a long time, a fine pitcher, consistent and a winner from year to year, was overshadowed a bit by what people thought Welch might have been had he not had alcohol problems. This is, IMO, unfair to Welch; he had a fine career, and it's pretty likely that Welch got the most out of his ability, drinking problem or not.
        "I do not care if half the league strikes. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play as another. The National League will go down the line with Robinson whatever the consequences. You will find if you go through with your intention that you have been guilty of complete madness."

        NL President Ford Frick, 1947

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        • #5
          No chance. Dave Stewart > Bob Welch.

          Scott
          I told you not to be stupid you moron.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by steve rogers View Post
            No chance. Dave Stewart > Bob Welch.

            Scott
            Can't agree here. Stewart was a great pitcher for four (4) straight years (1987-90), but less than mediocre before and after that. I cannot think of a single pitcher in the history of baseball who had 4 seasons of the caliber of Stewart's 1987-90 seasons that did less outside those seasons, pitching in 15 big league seasons or more.

            Bob Welch was a fine pitcher, very consistent from year to year, and far more reliable than Stewart. Welch's career, IMO, was significantly more valuable than Stewart's, all things considered.
            "I do not care if half the league strikes. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play as another. The National League will go down the line with Robinson whatever the consequences. You will find if you go through with your intention that you have been guilty of complete madness."

            NL President Ford Frick, 1947

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            • #7
              Originally posted by steve rogers View Post
              No chance. Dave Stewart > Bob Welch.
              Welch is not a HOF pitcher, but he's closer to the Hall than Stewart is.
              Stewart only had 1 really good season as a starter (1990). Plus that career ERA+ of 100.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
                Bob Welch...won over 15 games six times and over 20 games once (in his outstanding 1990 season, when he also won the Cy Young Award and The Sporting News Pitcher of the Year Award).
                Neither of which he deserved.
                "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                • #9
                  Absolutely not!!!

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                  • #10
                    Welch is not among the top 40 candidates whose careers centered in the 1980's. The HOF voters got him right.
                    Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                    Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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                    • #11
                      Not a hoot in hell.
                      Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours. - Yogi Berra

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                      • #12
                        Welch has a better chance of being a spokesman for grape jelly. On average you are looking at a league average guy. Yes, he had some fine seasons but he offset those with some real dogs.
                        Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
                          Over 17 years in the big leagues, Bob Welch went 211-146 with a 3.47 ERA. He won over 15 games six times and over 20 games once (in his outstanding 1990 season, when he also won the Cy Young Award and The Sporting News Pitcher of the Year Award).

                          Twice an All-Star, Welch led the league in shutouts in 1987, wins and WL% in 1990 and in games started in 1991. He was often on the leaderboards in shutouts, wins and games started.

                          Statistically, he is similar to two Hall of Famers: Catfish Hunter and Dazzy Vance, and he has respectable grey ink of 138.

                          In 2000, he received a whopping one vote for the Hall of Fame.

                          So, do you think Bob Welch should be in the Hall of Fame?
                          Originally posted by Classic View Post
                          Neither of which he deserved.
                          Could you please expand on this? Why was Welch undeserving of the 1990 Cy Young award?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NineWorldSeries View Post
                            Could you please expand on this? Why was Welch undeserving of the 1990 Cy Young award?
                            Because Clemens was better that year (not more wins, pitched better. You can debate his "cleanliness" if you like)
                            Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                            Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
                              Because Clemens was better that year
                              Not to mention Welch's own team mate.

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