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    ESPN's HOF Poll

    ESPN has a new poll concerning players who's careers are winding down and their HOF probability here:

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    Interestingly, if you're going by the votes, the only first ballot locks are Ken Griffey Jr, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, Manny Ramirez (probably largely due to his recent 500th home run and the popularity that always surrounds such an event), and Mariano Rivera.

    Tom Glavine, Trevor Hoffman, Pedro Martinez, Ivan Rodriguez, John Smoltz, Frank Thomas should eventually get in according to the poll.

    Chipper Jones, Gary Sheffield, Jim Thome seem to be on the bubble.

    Carlos Delgado, Jason Giambi, Jeff Kent, Jamie Moyer, Mike Mussina, Andy Pettitte, Jorge Posada, Kenny Rogers, Billy Wagner all seem to be on the outside looking in going by this poll.

    What are the thoughts of this community on the players mentioned in the ESPN poll?
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  • #2
    Chipper Jones being on the bubble just shows how hard it is for third basemen to get in, even in people who don't vote.
    46 wins to match last year's total

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
      Chipper Jones being on the bubble just shows how hard it is for third basemen to get in, even in people who don't vote.
      Chipper Jones isn't really on the bubble.
      A near-majority say he is probably not first ballot but 77%+ say he is in, which is a very big majority. Another 20%+ say borderline so there is 84-91% expectation that he will be elected if we count the borderline forecasts at 1/3 to 2/3.

      Hm, the consensus disagrees with me on Piazza and Schilling only. and I concede that the consensus may be right on both of them.
      It seems to me that 20000 ESPN voters do a good job of predicting what 500 baseball writers will do.

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      • #4
        I cannot understand the poll saying Jeff Kent is on the outside looking in. IMO Jeff has done enough already to gain entrance to the HOF and he's not done yet.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by John Shoemaker View Post
          I cannot understand the poll saying Jeff Kent is on the outside looking in. IMO Jeff has done enough already to gain entrance to the HOF and he's not done yet.
          I agree with you on Kent. I'm surprised that just over 25.5% of the voters think he had a nice career but not nice enough to end up in Cooperstown. He's towards the top in every offensive category for second basemen.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
            I agree with you on Kent. I'm surprised that just over 25.5% of the voters think he had a nice career but not nice enough to end up in Cooperstown. He's towards the top in every offensive category for second basemen.
            That's the problem. People aren't looking at the stats by position, so Kent doesn't measure up against other recent sluggers when you look only at HR numbers.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by BlueBlood View Post
              That's the problem. People aren't looking at the stats by position, so Kent doesn't measure up against other recent sluggers when you look only at HR numbers.
              Bingo. Therein lies the problem.
              46 wins to match last year's total

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              • #8
                Jamie Moyer? :disbelief:
                Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
                  Jamie Moyer? :disbelief:
                  His father-in-law, Digger Phelps, works there.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
                    Jamie Moyer? :disbelief:
                    I think people are wrong to vote for "No Chance" for Jamie Moyer. I bet he makes it in!

                    :cap:

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Seattle1 View Post
                      I think people are wrong to vote for "No Chance" for Jamie Moyer. I bet he makes it in!

                      :cap:
                      Unless Digger Phelps is ALSO on the voting committee, put up your house, vehicles, furnishings and bank account
                      Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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                      • #12
                        On the merits of the candidates (irrespective of the BBWAA's opinion)...

                        Deserving
                        Tom Glavine - easy choice
                        Ken Griffey Jr. - injuries just keep him out of the top 20 players of all-time, not the Hall
                        Trevor Hoffman - depends on where you draw the line on relievers I suppose
                        Randy Johnson - anyone doubt first-ballot lock here?
                        Chipper Jones - insufficient excuses for not electing him
                        Jeff Kent - one of the greatest hitting second basemen ever
                        Greg Maddux - 1st ballot
                        Pedro Martinez - shouldn't be any hesitation on the 1st go-round by now
                        Mike Mussina - IMHO he's deserving though it's tough convincing people of that
                        Mike Piazza - top 5 all-time at his position
                        Jorge Posada - top 15-20 all-time at his position now. Should get in eventually, especially if he doesn't just drop off a cliff
                        Manny Ramirez - Albert Belle with a full career
                        Mariano Rivera - greatest reliever ever?
                        Ivan Rodriguez - what a special player he was!
                        Curt Schilling - 2004 World Series clinched it
                        Gary Sheffield - too much to ignore for long
                        John Smoltz - total package worth more than Eckersley
                        Frank Thomas - like Junior: where'd the second half of his career go?
                        Jim Thome - most underrated great hitter of the last 15 years

                        Undeserving
                        Carlos Delgado - Eddie Murray-type career, but not as good or long
                        Jason Giambi - not enough outside his peak
                        Jamie Moyer - worst candidate on this list
                        Andy Pettitte - 300 wins is his only hope
                        Kenny Rogers - what I said about Moyer applies double here
                        Billy Wagner - besides Delgado, the only one on this list who has a chance to move to the other list before it's over
                        "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                        "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                        "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                        "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                          I agree with you on Kent....He's towards the top in every offensive category for second basemen.
                          PA - 14th
                          R - 12th
                          H - 12th
                          2B - 4th
                          HR - 1st
                          RBI - 3rd
                          TB - 6th
                          XBH - 3rd
                          TOB - 13th

                          Among career second basemen, only Rogers Hornsby has a better slugging percentage.

                          Only second baseman to win an MVP from 1985-2007.

                          One Ryne Sandberg has won more Silver Sluggers at second base.
                          "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                          "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                          "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                          "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Classic View Post
                            PA - 14th
                            R - 12th
                            H - 12th
                            2B - 4th
                            HR - 1st
                            RBI - 3rd
                            TB - 6th
                            XBH - 3rd
                            TOB - 13th

                            Among career second basemen, only Rogers Hornsby has a better slugging percentage.

                            Only second baseman to win an MVP from 1985-2007.

                            One Ryne Sandberg has won more Silver Sluggers at second base.
                            And Wrigley undoubtedly helped Sandberg. I doubt Shea, Pacbell and Dodger Stadium did much for Kent
                            Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Classic View Post
                              On the merits of the candidates (irrespective of the BBWAA's opinion)
                              If I must pull the trigger on everyone now, probably I agree on all 25 placements.
                              Four are generally considered borderline or below borderline, I suppose.
                              Mike Mussina - IMHO he's deserving though it's tough convincing people of that
                              Jorge Posada - top 15-20 all-time at his position now. Should get in eventually, especially if he doesn't just drop off a cliff
                              Curt Schilling - 2004 World Series clinched it
                              Gary Sheffield - too much to ignore for long
                              If Posada falls off a cliff I will probably go the other way. I agree with the other three comments.

                              I agree with others at ESPN that Omar Vizquel should be in their poll, and all things considered it is a surprise that Vizquel did not make their top 25 (if such it be). I would have listed Luis Gonzalez too, but that wouldn't matter.

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