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  • #16
    Robin Roberts currently sits in the 20th spot with a mere 6 votes. All the others of the top 20 are clear with the next 5-6 battling it out for #20 (which is why I'm glad the tumble down approach was adopted).

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    • #17
      Alexander
      Carlton
      Clarkson
      Clemens
      Feller
      Gibson
      Grove
      Randy Johnson
      Walter Johnson
      Koufax
      Maddux
      Marichal
      Martinez
      Mathewson
      Nichols
      Paige
      Rivera
      Seaver
      Spahn
      Young

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      • #18
        Young

        Someone didn't vote for Cy Young??? Was that a voting strategy?

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        • #19
          Had I known Koufax would struggle, I'd have used a voting strategy...
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          • #20
            Originally posted by BlueBlood View Post
            Had I known Koufax would struggle, I'd have used a voting strategy...
            Why? Is it so far-fetched that Koufax isn't one of the 20 greatest pitchers in history?
            "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
            "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
            "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
            "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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            • #21
              --Pretty high level of consensus. 15 pitchers over with over 80% support. Kid Nichols and Sandy Koufax actually seem like locks as well at 73 and 68%. Smokey Joe Williams and Carl Hubbell look fairly safe at 55 and 50%. The last spot in the top 20 is pretty hotly contested;
              Roberts, Palmer and Ryan 32
              Brown and Blyleven 28
              Marichal and Rivera 27
              Clarkson and Perry 23
              Last edited by leecemark; 08-26-2008, 07:00 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Classic View Post
                Why? Is it so far-fetched that Koufax isn't one of the 20 greatest pitchers in history?
                It's far-fetched that he isn't one of the 15 greatest pitchers in history.

                Oh, can we have a runoff for Ryan, Roberts & Palmer? They're trailing the others by a large margin and it would be a shame to let one sneak in with hardly any support.
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                • #23
                  If it's ok, I'd like to join in. This is my first round in this though, so what exactly should I be doing? voting for my top 20 pitchers?
                  "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Tyrus4189Cobb View Post
                    If it's ok, I'd like to join in. This is my first round in this though, so what exactly should I be doing? voting for my top 20 pitchers?
                    Join on in!

                    Vote for your top 20 out of this group.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by BlueBlood View Post
                      Oh, can we have a runoff for Ryan, Roberts & Palmer? They're trailing the others by a large margin and it would be a shame to let one sneak in with hardly any support.
                      That's looking like something that may indeed happen.

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                      • #26
                        Roberts is an easy choice over Palmer or Ryan, IMO. Roberts beats both Palmer and Ryan in peak value by a fair margin, beats Palmer by quite a bit in career value and only just loses to Ryan in career value. Roberts has the best value per season pitched among the three, too.
                        Last edited by Chadwick; 08-26-2008, 08:04 PM.
                        "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                        "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                        "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                        "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                        • #27
                          1) Roberts
                          2) Palmer
                          3) Ryan

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                          • #28
                            1. Roberts - incredible 6 year peak
                            2. Ryan
                            3. Palmer - don't underestimate how mych he benefited from having one of the best defenses in baseball history behind him for a majority of his career. the modern day M. Brown, if you will. Still a great, HOF pitcher, but not the top 20 guy that his face-value stats indicate.
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                            • #29
                              If the previous three posts mean there is a run off I go
                              1-Roberts
                              2-Palmer


                              3-Ryan

                              Palmer is sort of the forgotten man of his era, but throughout most of the seventies he and Seaver were considered the best in their respective leagues. Also, I don't think Roberts was hurt by having Richie Ashburn in CF (though I'm just speculating that based on his HRA).

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                                If the previous three posts mean there is a run off I go
                                1-Roberts
                                2-Palmer


                                3-Ryan

                                Palmer is sort of the forgotten man of his era, but throughout most of the seventies he and Seaver were considered the best in their respective leagues. Also, I don't think Roberts was hurt by having Richie Ashburn in CF (though I'm just speculating that based on his HRA).
                                Of course, Blyleven, Brown, Marichal and Rivera are lingering just one vote behind that trio so any of these guys could conceivably make that 20th cut. IMHO, Roberts is the best of the seven.
                                "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                                "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                                "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                                "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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