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Why is Dizzy Dean in the HOF? He only pitched 6 full years, and only won 150 games.He had a 2.66 era when he won 30 games, thats not impressive.Career SO of only 1,163.
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[QUOTE=NOMAR22]He had a 2.66 era when he won 30 games, thats not impressive.QUOTE]
Do you know what the League ERA was in 1934 ?
1. Look it up.
2. Think really really hard before you respond.
3. Then comment (in 2 complete sentences or more) why a 2.66 ERA is "not impressive".
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--Hey, it was only 2nd best in the league. What kind of slacker is that? To be fair Dean's peak is generally overrated though. There were alot of guys who had better and longer ones (Grove and Hubbell were both better in the same years Dizzy was flying high). Dean looks better because he ONLY has his peak and disappeared before having a chance to hurt his rate stats.
--He is more famous than many better pitchers simply because he was so colorfull and got the opportunity to build his legend asa popular announcer when he packed it in. It is the Hall of FAME though and few, if any, pitchers were more famous than Dean. He deserves his plaque.Comment
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As Mark said, it is the Hall of Fame."Simply put, the passion, interest and tradition surrounding baseball in New York is unmatched."
Sean McAdam, ESPN.comComment
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Yup, Dean doesn't belong in by almost any statistical analysis, and he is a horribly overrated player (he'd probably have trouble making my top 80 or 90 pitchers), but it is the Hall of FAME. Dean was one of the most famous baseball players the game has ever seen. He was the kind of guy who was known to almost every American, regardless of whether or not they care about baseball. He deserves his plaque, though on pure value he doesn't cut it.Comment
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Same reason Curt Schilling and Ortiz will be in
Sometimes it's other then stats that push someone inComment
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Fernando Valenzuela was more famous than other Hall of Famers, should he be in instead?Originally posted by ElHaloMythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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I guess the thinking is that "anyone" can win 30 games when you have an ERA of 2.66.Originally posted by NOMAR22
Win 30 games with an ERA of 6.73 and then I'll be impressed!Comment
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Only with your run supportOriginally posted by dgarza
Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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There is no way he should be in the HOF. His swan song in 1934 isn't really that impressive either. An ERA+ of 159 is hardly what I would call total domination.Comment
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I doubt Schilling and Ortiz are comparable in the "fame" departmentOriginally posted by ImapotatoComment
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Originally posted by dgarza
If Dizzy Dean had a ERA of 1.50 with his 30 wins then i would be very impressed.
In my opinion Ron Guidry's 1978 season was more impressive 25-3 record 1.74 ERA,9 SHO,248 Strikeouts,his 18 strike outs in a game was a lefty handed American league record,.893 WLP.Comment
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[QUOTE=Oosches]Im will never be impressed. He never faced the best "Negro" players or Dark Latinos of that ERA.Originally posted by NOMAR22He had a 2.66 era when he won 30 games, thats not impressive.QUOTE]
Do you know what the League ERA was in 1934 ?
1. Look it up.
2. Think really really hard before you respond.
3. Then comment (in 2 complete sentences or more) why a 2.66 ERA is "not impressive".
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Yeah I totally agree on Guidry. His ERA+ was 208. Blows away Dizzy's 1934.Originally posted by NOMAR22Comment
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--Guidry's 1978 season was better than alot (most probably) of Hall of Famers best seasons. I agree Dizzy's 1934 wasn't as good or even close to it, but that is no slight on Dean. Guidry's performance that year is on the short list of best seasons ever. Unfortunately, much like Doc Gooden's 1985 (also a contender), Guidry never came close to repeating that level of success.
--Potato, Schilling may get a fame based boost into the Hall of Fame. Ortiz is highly unlikely to get more than one year on the ballot though.Comment
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